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Tennessee wants to criminalize public officials who vote for sanctuary policies

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This is not concerning at all. The entire country is sliding down a very slippery slope

As Gov. Bill Lee’s immigration enforcement plan moves swiftly through the Tennessee Legislature, one component of the bill — aimed at arresting local officials who support sanctuary policies for immigrants — drew scrutiny Tuesday.

Included in the governor’s wide-ranging proposal to coordinate with the Trump Administration on mass immigrant detentions and deportations is a provision that creates a Class E felony for public officials who vote to adopt or enact sanctuary policies. Sanctuary policies can shield undocumented immigrants and limit cooperation with enforcement action

The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.

Sen. Todd Gardenhire, the Republican chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the provision Tuesday as a “dangerous precedent.”

“We are a Republic, and a Republic is one that we elect people to vote the way they feel like is best for the district, the city, county or the state,” he said.

“If we set the precedent of penalizing any elected official for voting their conscience, whether it’s good or bad, then we set a dangerous precedent for the future,” he said.

Democrats characterized the provision as a “slippery slope” that could be invoked in future legislation to criminalize votes on any controversial issue.

“It is alarming we are sitting here talking about felonizing elected officials taking votes on behalf of their constituency,” Sen. Heidi Campbell, a Nashville Democrat, said. “Boy, this is a slippery slope and be careful what you wish for if you vote for this.”

Gardenhire was in the minority among Republicans who dominate the Senate Judiciary Committee he chairs. They quickly shot down Gardenhire’s efforts to amend the bill to remove criminal penalties before voting to advance it in the legislature.

Sanctuary policies are already prohibited by a 2019 Tennessee law that sought to prevent local governments from adopting sanctuary city status —as some other Democrat-led cities across the country have done.

The 2019 Tennessee law gives citizens the right to file civil suits challenging any jurisdiction’s adoption of sanctuary policies and the state the power to withhold funding over violations.

“When the state banned sanctuary cities, its remedies were to deny cities grants and to seek a court order,” said Ken Paulson, director of the Free Speech Center at Middle Tennessee State University.

“Here the state is trying to control the actions of duly-elected officials through the police power,” he said. “That’s a dramatic escalation.”

One national government accountability expert said he knew of no other state law that threatened to prosecute public officials for how they cast a vote.

“It’s an unprecedented power grab and criminalization of political discourse,” said Dan Vicuña, director of redistricting and representation for Common Cause, a Washington, D.C. advocacy group.

“It puts at risk the basic right to local representative and democratic government,” he said.

And local legal experts, among them the legislature’s own attorney, said the provision may be “constitutionally suspect.”

“Generally speaking Tennessee courts have found legislative bodies have legislative immunity for acts that serve part of their legislative function and that legislative immunity extends to local legislative bodies,” Elizabeth Insogna, a Legislative attorney, told the committee.

“It’s possible that a criminal provision that is enforced against a member of a legislative body may be constitutionally suspect,” she said. “It would be up for a court to determine.”

John Vile, professor of political science and Dean of the University Honors College at Middle Tennessee State University said “legislators should heed Article 1” of the Tennessee Constitution, which establishes a “Declaration of Rights” for citizens and their elected representatives.

“I don’t know of any other laws, state or federal, that penalize elected officials on the basis of how they vote,” he said. “This seems to defeat the whole purpose of democratic-republican (representative) government.

Republicans however noted the criminal penalties are aimed at elected officials attempting to pass legislation already outlawed in Tennessee.

“I think everybody would agree that’s something that elected officials should be prohibited from doing, or should not do,” said Sen. Kerry Roberts, a Springfield Republican. “The fact there’s a consequence for it, I personally don’t have a problem with that, because they ought not to be doing it in the first place. It’s illegal.”

Only two current laws provide criminal penalties for lawmakers acting in their official capacities, according to Stephen Crump, executive director of the Tennessee District Attorneys General Conference. One longstanding law allows criminal charges to be brought against county commissioners who fail to adequately fund local jails. Other lawmakers may be charged if their vote violates official misconduct statutes.

Senate Majority Leader Jack Johnson, in an emailed statement, said the criminal penalties “reflect the overwhelming belief of our constituents, who have made it clear that they expect us to work in lockstep with the Trump administration to enforce federal immigration laws.”

“Requiring localities and public officials to comply with federal law is not a matter of political opinion,” the statement said. “It reflects a commitment to upholding the rule of law and ensures consistency between federal and state efforts to address immigration challenges.”

Johnson’s statement noted that, should the bill succeed, ultimately, be up to judges to decide how to weigh the law.

“Should an elected official choose to enact a sanctuary policy and be charged under this legislation, I am confident that a court would carefully consider whether absolute legislative immunity applies to acts that are criminal under both state and federal law.”

 
Do you think any government official irregardless of their political affiliation should ignore the rule of law and at times obstruct justice

We have a long ass established tradition of this country of public officials refusing to personally enforce laws they disagree with. Sheriffs in red counties have refused to enforce gun laws they disagree with. So if we're gonna start talking about locking people up for their vote in local politics we better damn well start locking up those sheriffs.

That is also very different from a local official who says that they simply are not going to cooperate with federal law enforcement on immigration. Again local law enforcement is NOT required to cooperate with federal law enforcement. That isn't obstruction just like if the police start asking me questions and I refuse to answer it is not considered obstruction. Obstruction requires an active attempt to get in the way or thwart an investigation. Refusing to cooperate with law enforcement is and always has been constitutionally protected.
 
We have a long ass established tradition of this country of public officials refusing to personally enforce laws they disagree with. Sheriffs in red counties have refused to enforce gun laws they disagree with. So if we're gonna start talking about locking people up for their vote in local politics we better damn well start locking up those sheriffs.

That is also very different from a local official who says that they simply are not going to cooperate with federal law enforcement on immigration. Again local law enforcement is NOT required to cooperate with federal law enforcement. That isn't obstruction just like if the police start asking me questions and I refuse to answer it is not considered obstruction. Obstruction requires an active attempt to get in the way or thwart an investigation. Refusing to cooperate with law enforcement is and always has been constitutionally protected.
There is a difference between cooperating and undermining. If ICE places a detainer on a person and that person is released by either the local police or a judge that is undermining :

This was from the New York police department:
Police will not “take any action that will interfere with or impede civil immigration enforcement undertaken by federal authorities.”
 
There is a difference between cooperating and undermining. If ICE places a detainer on a person and that person is released by either the local police or a judge that is undermining :

This was from the New York police department:
Police will not “take any action that will interfere with or impede civil immigration enforcement undertaken by federal authorities.”

Your position seems to assert that anything less than full cooperation is the same thing as undermining, which is not how this has ever worked.
 
Do you think any government official irregardless of their political affiliation should ignore the rule of law and at times obstruct justice

It’s not obstruction of justice to vote on a sanctuary law, policy, or non-binding resolution. A felony for voting for a non-binding resolution?

Legislators have immunity for their votes and a First Amendment right to make those votes.

MAGA needs to think this through - any vote contrary to law is a felony?

You don’t want to go down that road. So any person who votes to change or ignore the law commits a felony?

100 or so idiot MO legislators voted a while back not to enforce federal gun laws. So that’s a felony?

Dangerous time in America when you just accept this as no big deal.
 
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It’s not obstruction of justice to vote on a sanctuary law, policy, or non-binding resolution? A felony for voting for a non-binding resolution?

Legislators have immunity for their votes and a First Amendment right to make those votes.

MAGA needs to think this through - any vote contrary to law is a felony?

You don’t want to go down that road. So any person who votes to change or ignore the law commits a felony?

100 or so idiot MO legislators voted a while back not to enforce federal gun laws. So that’s a felony?

Dangerous time in America when you just accept this as no big deal.
Is it ok to ignore a detainer from a law enforcement officer?
 
Is it ok to ignore a detainer from a law enforcement officer?

I don’t know the circumstances when one LEO can ignore or not enforce another’s detainer, but that’s not what this bill is about.

This bill makes it a felony to:

The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.
 
The fact that some local officials across this country ignore ICE detainers is abhorrent. It's unsafe and puts the public at risk.
 
The fact that some local officials across this country ignore ICE detainers is abhorrent. It's unsafe and puts the public at risk.

Should local officials ensure that ICE have a judicial warrant and not just an administrative warrant before allowing access to a private space?

Are we following the rule of law here or are we not?
 
Do you think any government official irregardless of their political affiliation should ignore the rule of law and at times obstruct justice

What does that have to do with:

"The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions."
 
I don’t know the circumstances when one LEO can ignore or not enforce another’s detainer, but that’s not what this bill is about.

This bill makes it a felony to:

The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.
And let’s be honest if government officials would have worked with ICE on detainers there wouldn’t need to be this bill and the Riley act bill
 
Or you can just wander through life having people smirk at you and discount your thoughts.

Up to you.
If only more people would listen to anonymous posters we would all be in a better place
 
This law is about criminalizing specific votes.

I get that. I'm on a tangent.

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The fact that some local officials across this country ignore ICE detainers is abhorrent. It's unsafe and puts the public at risk.

Law and order Northern has some strong thoughts on law and order.*

*Certain Presidents, J6 participants, governors and border states who hamper and interfere with federal agents, and Iowa LEO investigating college betting not subject to his law and order beliefs.
 
What does that have to do with:

"The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions."
Well we were swinging all the way to the left the last 4 years and now we are going to swing all the way to the right. This shouldn’t surprise you
 
If only more people would listen to anonymous posters we would all be in a better place

My anonymity has nothing to do with pointing out the use of a word that isn’t recognized as proper and basically makes you look like a try-hard who is trying to impress.

It discounts anything that follows. Which is fairly easy for you, anyway.
 
This law is about criminalizing specific votes.
Exactly. This is not about enforcement, it is about your right to express your views in a vote. If we don’t constitutionally protect the right to vote your conscience then we aren’t a free nation. People should be free to vote any damn way they please. If they are voting against the interests of their constients then they get tossed out in the next election.

For the record, if they take an action that is against a law (like obstructing justice for instance) then I’m all for arresting them.

Net net it should be ok for someone to vote in favor of sanctuary cities and it should be ok to arrest that same people if they physically prevented an ICE agent from performing their duties. The two are not anywhere close to equivalent.
 
Should local officials ensure that ICE have a judicial warrant and not just an administrative warrant before allowing access to a private space?

Are we following the rule of law here or are we not?

Does not matter. Jurisdictions across the country can and do accept administrative detainers.

Leftwing jurisdictions are playing games and it makes it unsafe for everyone.
 
My anonymity has nothing to do with pointing out the use of a word that isn’t recognized as proper and basically makes you look like a try-hard who is trying to impress.

It discounts anything that follows. Which is fairly easy for you, anyway.
Is that why nobody is responding to me?
 
Law and order Northern has some strong thoughts on law and order.*

*Certain Presidents, J6 participants, governors and border states who hamper and interfere with federal agents, and Iowa LEO investigating college betting not subject to his law and order beliefs.

Not an accurate summation.
 
Does not matter. Jurisdictions across the country can and do accept administrative detainers.

Leftwing jurisdictions are playing games and it makes it unsafe for everyone.

You didn’t answer the question.

If ICE doesn’t have a judicial warrant, you can gnash your teeth and scream about obstruction or some such bullshit.

Maybe ICE and the administration need to cross their t’s and dot their i’s. Otherwise, it’s 1) not obstruction, 2) it’s following the rule of law, and 3) the danger is solely on ICE and the administration not following the laws.

I thought you were a big law and order guy. I want my local officials to know it and follow it to the extreme.
 
They’re responding to you and taking you to task on the merits. Your poor grammar just adds to the delight for me.
Your delight in life is based on an anonymous posters grammar on a message board? You must be fun to hang out with
 
Your delight in life is based on an anonymous posters grammar on a message board? You must be fun to hang out with

Poor grammar and poor logic. I’m a blast.

Maybe you can just go home and grab your shine box at this point.
 
You didn’t answer the question.

If ICE doesn’t have a judicial warrant, you can gnash your teeth and scream about obstruction or some such bullshit.

Maybe ICE and the administration need to cross their t’s and dot their i’s. Otherwise, it’s 1) not obstruction, 2) it’s following the rule of law, and 3) the danger is solely on ICE and the administration not following the laws.

I thought you were a big law and order guy. I want my local officials to know it and follow it to the extreme.

These are public law enforcement agencies discarding ICE detainers. They can easily hand them over to ICE at the front door. Do you support them NOT doing so? If so, why?
 
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