SEC adds UT and OU, and the B1G counters by adding KSU and WVU? Ummmmm, no.
Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC?
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None of OkSU, KSU, or WVU will be considered for half a second by the B1G COPC. Complete non-starter.
Kansas is a marginal candidate, at best. They're only coming if its a second to OU or UT. Or, a pipe dream.
Kansas is a marginal candidate, at best. They're only coming if its a second to OU or UT. Or, a pipe dream.
Well for starters I don't think that Nebraska is a AAU member. As far as being continguos to the current footprint then how did we add Maryland and Rutgers(New Jersey) last time???
Compare the 15 schools in the ACC against the 14 schools in the B1G. I agree right now the B1G is stronger, but take Penn State and switch them in the other column and I don't think you can make that claim any more.
Ohio State - Notre Dame
Michigan - North Carolina
Wisconsin - Clemson
Northwestern - Duke
Penn State - Florida State
Illinois - North Carolina State
Iowa - Syracuse
Nebraska - Miami
Indiana - Virginia Tech
Maryland - Virginia
Purdue - Georgia Tech
Minnesota - Boston College
Michigan State - Pitt
Rutgers - Louisville
- Wake Forest
Good Lord, an ISU fan who isn't wearing mustard and ketchup glasses, ( or whatever the colors are). A reasoned post. If this goes down, Campbell will have to start looking seriously at other options, or go down with the ship.....
Wisconsin would be #1 in the ACC in revenue. Iowa and MSU would be second, and within a whisper of first.
I don’t think I need to say anything else, but the ACC isn’t poaching anybody from the B1G.
I laughed at the have only missed 1 bowl game. So been to three, maybe four games. LoL.
I doubt this will happen while these recruits are in school The big 12 GOR last until 2025 I think, and this won't happen overnight, IF it happens. Probably at least three years. Now if this is all worked out and Campbell bales after this year then all bets are off on recruits...
1. They were when the were invited and then lost their status
2. Ummm…the state of Pennsylvania
Look, you’re probably right. I’m just looking down the road at a time when the ACC is on ESPN and the B1G is only on FOX and things could look differently. The B1G has been able to get ahead with the BTN but that is not the advantage it once was.
Iowa would be just as screwed as ISU is going to be, if OSU, Michigan and Penn State joined some super conference for a bigger pay day. It seems unlikely but if the blue bloods get tired of sharing the money I could see it.
I feel like if it keeps going, TX and OU will be out before 2025. I can’t imagine teams staying in for four years to a conference they’re leaving. The lawyers will find a way to settle it.
Might take a couple years after that for dominos to fall and dust to settle though.
Oh, Good Lord, in all this talk I had completely about the fact Delany is gone! Heaven help us with our new commissioner running point on this.
There seems to be a good bit of dislike of the Big Ten among PSU fans.
But, that does no seem to hold among the academics and leadership.
You can speculate about a move by Texas and Oklahoma and what it might mean for ISU and the remainder of the teams in the Big 12, but there is uncertainty for at least 80 teams, and that include Big Ten Teams. No one can predict with any certainty what is ahead with the advent of name in likeness. Earlier a comment was made that college football maybe headed to a 30 team super conference, I believe that is where it will end up. The reality is there are only a few programs that can now afford to compete at the highest level. There will be a few that can't afford it, but will try and fail.
It is easy to identify which Big Ten Teams can afford to compete; OSU, Michigan, and Penn State. It also easy to identify teams that cannot afford it but will try, Nebraska being one. I'm not sure if any others would be dumb enough to try. Ultimately universities that want to compete at the highest levels will simply become sponsors of minor league NFL teams and teams members do not have to be a student in order to play. As part of the arrangement the university gets a cut of the gate and tv money. Player that get NIL money will not be able to use university trademarks without paying compensation to the university.
For those universities that are forced to change new organizations will arise. In the case of football some universities may want to return to limited substitution football. Some others may continue platoon football with fewer scholarships but require being a student with a minimum GPA and progress toward a degree in order to play.
There are going to be big losers. Women's sports is going to take a hard hit. Olympic sports is another. Fan interest will diminish and broadcasters will pay less when the audience decreases. Sports media organization like ESPN and Fox will face a challenge filling air time.
Would you attend or watch Iowa football and basketball if the university decides it mission does not include being a sponsor of a minor league football team?
It is easy to identify which Big Ten Teams can afford to compete; OSU, Michigan, and Penn State. It also easy to identify teams that cannot afford it but will try, Nebraska being one. I'm not sure if any others would be dumb enough to try. Ultimately universities that want to compete at the highest levels will simply become sponsors of minor league NFL teams and teams members do not have to be a student in order to play. As part of the arrangement the university gets a cut of the gate and tv money. Player that get NIL money will not be able to use university trademarks without paying compensation to the university.
For those universities that are forced to change new organizations will arise. In the case of football some universities may want to return to limited substitution football. Some others may continue platoon football with fewer scholarships but require being a student with a minimum GPA and progress toward a degree in order to play.
There are going to be big losers. Women's sports is going to take a hard hit. Olympic sports is another. Fan interest will diminish and broadcasters will pay less when the audience decreases. Sports media organization like ESPN and Fox will face a challenge filling air time.
Would you attend or watch Iowa football and basketball if the university decides it mission does not include being a sponsor of a minor league football team?
The smart play is OU and Okie State. Then just put them in the West,move Purdue to the East.
West:
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Oklahoma
Oklahoma Stats
Wisconsin
East:
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
It may not be the Mighty Mississippi dividing the two, but at least you have the Wabash doing it...
The real money in the BIG is with the academic/research partnerships - not the athletic revenues. The BIG leads all conferences in research revenue by a wide margin. The Big 10 produces 10 billion in research revenue each year - that's 5 billion more than any other conference. No school is leaving the BIG for athletics reasons.
I don't like OU & UT going to the SEC or even the B1G for CFB overall.
BUT if I was the B1G I would be trying to get UT, OU, USC, UCLA, OR, UW and ND. Maybe one of Stanford & Cal or both. UT to the SEC still seems odd. I would also be willing to let UT bring along another regional partner of UT's choice if it needed to happen.
If the B1G is shut out of Texas its a real BAD long term strategy. They can pick up California but the sport has seemed to decline in that state. Also, they may try to head south but will always be the secondary brand in Georgia and Florida to the SEC.
BUT if I was the B1G I would be trying to get UT, OU, USC, UCLA, OR, UW and ND. Maybe one of Stanford & Cal or both. UT to the SEC still seems odd. I would also be willing to let UT bring along another regional partner of UT's choice if it needed to happen.
If the B1G is shut out of Texas its a real BAD long term strategy. They can pick up California but the sport has seemed to decline in that state. Also, they may try to head south but will always be the secondary brand in Georgia and Florida to the SEC.
The B1G is going to have to counter this as we watch college sports go down the toilet
It should be Vanderbilt and one of Miami/Sarycuse/UConn
It should be Vanderbilt and one of Miami/Sarycuse/UConn
Texas A&M was a secondary brand in Texas - but that seemed to work out for the SEC. If the BIG expands to Tennessee, Georgia, Virginia, and maybe North Carolina by picking up a G-Tech, V-Tech, Vanderbilt, etc - it might not be a bad way to expand TV sets into those states. Because as of today - we're a complete afterthought there. The BIG already has 4 of the top 10 all-time winningest football programs. It doesn't necessarily need another blue blood to water down its brand. What it needs is geographic footprint expansion - especially to the growing areas of the US.
2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2012, 2017, 2018, 2019. 9 of them, but who's counting.
Uh, one reason that will never happen: Title IX.
No way $EC can pay ALL their athletes equally, hence why schools love NIL. It totally avoids Title IX.
I'm with you on the Vanderbilt idea (their baseball team would certainly hate it!) -- but my preference would be GTech over the other choices you put forward. Great school in a massive football recruiting hotbed. And the thing that may be key with those schools is they are second fiddle in their own states. And thus, like Texas A&M, they have an incentive to differentiate themselves.
The real key with the BIG is the academic money, though. Most schools will certainly consider a BIG offer seriously due to the massive amount of research money that flows through the conference.
I'm curious why you say no chance with Vanderbilt. It's academic mission certainly fits closer to the BIG than the SEC. And it's a major research university. Moving to the BIG would be a home run for their academics/research.
ISU's celebration and anticipation just burned up like a cheap 4th of July sparkler.
Well if the Big12 does go away, I hope the B1G commish is smart enough to pick up the Alamo Bowl again.
Vanderbilt is a R1 university that shares a lot of commonality with the B1G.
But they've been in the SEC for 89 years, and I don't see them throwing away their southern cultural fit just for the sake of moving and maybe a possibility at increased research dollars.
Way back when a Big Ten expansion was first on the horizon somebody on this board pitched the idea of adding the University of Toronto. We all had a chuckle, but the guy was serious. And frankly, he made a bunch of good points. Sure, their sports teams - such as they are - are totally inferior, at least for now. But, you'd add an AAU university (and the top research university in Canada), and you'd get a huge population base (Ontario is about 15 million--more than any BT state, and perhaps a good chunk of Canada).
In terms of expansion, a lot of options in the US would just be cutting the same pie into smaller pieces. U of T would introduce a much bigger pie.
It would take some time, but I bet they could eventually be competitive.
I know, a crazy idea. But it would be a game changer.
In terms of expansion, a lot of options in the US would just be cutting the same pie into smaller pieces. U of T would introduce a much bigger pie.
It would take some time, but I bet they could eventually be competitive.
I know, a crazy idea. But it would be a game changer.
This was about tv money and in terms of viewers. A&M can't match the results of UT on the field throughout history(even though UT has under performed) but A&M is about even with UT in terms of fans in Texas. A&M support in Texas crushes FSU in Florida and even more so Ga. Tech in Georgia.
It won't happen, but it's interesting to talk about, especially now with NIL. Canadians would rally around the University of Toronto and would make sure recruits are paid. It's not the right fit for the B1G, but some forward thinking conference would be smart to do it.
Why do this in secret??? Had to know it would get out and looks way worse this way. Like they were gonna sneak in and say okay we are in the SEC now.
