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Texas Deputies Caught on Camera Shooting Man With His Hands Up

1. WTF does the style of glasses of Pamaleu matter?
2. The guy standing to her right at the press conference had a "Were screwed, I don't want to be here", look on his face.
3. It's Texas. They'll drag out the investigation and they'll get off without any charges. It might be illegal to be shirtless in public down there. Wait, no. Standard attire at a WalMart in Texas.
4. Isis Romero = Giant Would
 
1. WTF does the style of glasses of Pamaleu matter?
2. The guy standing to her right at the press conference had a "Were screwed, I don't want to be here", look on his face.
3. It's Texas. They'll drag out the investigation and they'll get off without any charges. It might be illegal to be shirtless in public down there. Wait, no. Standard attire at a WalMart in Texas.
4. Isis Romero = Giant Would

Pretty sure he had his shirt on. That color was WAY to light to be the skin of a black man.
 
1. WTF does the style of glasses of Pamaleu matter?
2. The guy standing to her right at the press conference had a "Were screwed, I don't want to be here", look on his face.
3. It's Texas. They'll drag out the investigation and they'll get off without any charges. It might be illegal to be shirtless in public down there. Wait, no. Standard attire at a WalMart in Texas.
4. Isis Romero = Giant Would
I don't think there is any way they get off on this one.
 
In a press conference following the incident, Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau, who had noticeable thin blue lines running the length of the arms of her glasses, admitted that the video was cause for concern, but still urged the public to basically give the officers the benefit of the doubt.

“Certainly what’s in the video is a cause for concern, but it’s important to let the investigation go through its course so that we can assure a thorough and complete review of all that occurred,” Sheriff Pamerleau said.

“What’s important is to not rush to judgment on any part of this,” she said. “Wait until we have all the facts and evidence in order to make a complete assessment.”

The comment on her glasses is a cheap, albeit clever, shot regarding the "thin blue line." Police cover-ups of police misconduct if you haven't seen the movie or heard the phrase.

Wonder if she called the sheriff that went on political tv today to make the same suggestion?
 
I did not get the Thin Blue Line reference, even though I have read the book.
And, I can the cops getting off. The guy was running around when they first got there. There were injured people, so we know he'd done violence. They'll say he was advancing ever so slightly on them, and because the video is from so far away it isn't clear.
 
I don't think there is any way they get off on this one.
Texas Sheriff Department Viciously Attacks Media After Video of Shooting Released
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http://truthvoice.com/2015/09/texas...tacks-media-after-video-of-shooting-released/
 
At first glance it looks damning. What leaves questions to me is the guys left hand is not visible even though the right hand is up. Could he have something in that hand? A gun maybe?

I noticed the officer on the left kind of hid behind the vehicle after the suspect was on the ground. That was what triggered me to think he might have had a weapon.

It doesnt matter though. The left will exploit it regardless of facts
 
Texas Sheriff Department Viciously Attacks Media After Video of Shooting Released
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Jesus, THAT is their response? Play victim?

Also, they are upset that people are "bombarding" them with comments.........and then they ask that the people do that to the news station instead?
 
It doesnt matter though. The left will exploit it regardless of facts

This was said seriously, wasn't it?

So, let's make your claims clear: You can't see his left hand, because it is behind a pole..........so he probably had a gun? So you envision the right hand raised, left hand pointing a guy? Clever pole to get in the way.
 
Looks very bad indeed.

However, it has come out that he was armed and non-lethal attempts to subdue him were unsuccessful.

It still deserves the scrutiny it is getting.
 
Bexar county statement is unbelievable. They received comments and threats because they murdered* a man, not because one tv station played a longer video than the others.

And to play for sympathy because a family lost a loved one? In the same sentence that starts with nobody is charged with a crime? "We killed a guy, but are busy covering it up and have high hopes of getting away with it, so abuse the media, because after all the guy we murdered* is dead."

*yes, I'm rushing to judgment, just like in the cop killing in another part of Texas seems appropriate (putting aside potential future evidence of motive in BOTH cases which could mitigate or enhance punishment but not guilt).

And must say above post is so correct about how the cover-up would have gone if the video release was delayed.
 
Looks very bad indeed.

However, it has come out that he was armed and non-lethal attempts to subdue him were unsuccessful.

It still deserves the scrutiny it is getting.

Where are you reading this? What non-lethal attempts, and how were they unsuccessful?

Edit:

This link appears to say he had a knife. So, I think a reasonable question to ask is: What did the LEO's believe he was going to do, at that point, with the knife, and is shooting him the appropriate response?

Also, there appears to be a second, "closer", video, wonder when it will get released. Seems that, if the second video clearly "exonerated" the officers, they would either a) release it or b) defend their deputies saying the video contradicts previous video/belief.
 
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Link please?

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Video obtained by a San Antonio TV station appears to show a man with his hands up fatally shot by deputies, an encounter that authorities say happened after the armed man resisted arrest and nonlethal weapons failed to bring him under control.

Gilbert Flores, 41, died shortly after the shooting Friday, the Bexar County Sheriff's Office said in a statement Monday.

Deputies Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez were responding to a domestic disturbance and found a woman with a cut on her head and a baby who appeared injured, according to the statement.

The deputies encountered Flores, who was armed, and attempted to arrest him, the sheriff's department said. The statement didn't say what type of weapon Flores had.

After Flores resisted, the deputies used nonlethal weapons in an attempt to detain him, but when "those efforts failed," they shot him, according to the statement.

The video, taken by a bystander and obtained by KSAT-TV, appears to show Flores standing still with his arms raised just before two shots are heard. Flores drops to the ground. The video doesn't include audio of deputies' commands or Flores' response, and the scene is partially obscured by police vehicles and passing cars.

Moments later, deputies drag and flip Flores onto his stomach. About a minute and a half later, an ambulance arrives.

The deputies, who had both been with the sheriff's office for more than 10 years, have been placed on standard paid administrative leave. The sheriff's department is investigating and has said the officers were not wearing body cameras.

"Certainly what's in the video is a cause for concern, but it's important to let the investigation go through its course so that we can assure a thorough and complete review of all that occurred," Sheriff Susan Pamerleau said at a news conference Friday. But her office later criticized the release of the video as "unethical" and "sensational."

"These deputies have not been charged with a crime and a family lost their loved one," the office wrote in a Facebook post Monday.

The department didn't respond to messages Monday seeking further comment on the video.

A woman at the residence where the shooting took place declined a reporter's questions Monday, referring him to San Antonio attorney Thomas J. Henry, who did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.
 
Seems that, if the second video clearly "exonerated" the officers, they would either a) release it or b) defend their deputies saying the video contradicts previous video/belief.

Those things would satisfy our immediate gratification culture, but are not necessarily due process in a potential criminal investigation.
 
Those things would satisfy our immediate gratification culture, but are not necessarily due process in a potential criminal investigation.

Of course, but departments have shown time and again that given the opportunity to jump to the defense of their officers they will do so, even if it interferes with procedure. I mean, hell, they put out that ridiculous facebook post immediately, if they had a video exonerating them....I'm damn sure they would have said so at that point.
 
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Of course, but departments have shown time and again that given the opportunity to jump to the defense of their officers they will do so, even if it interferes with procedure. I mean, hell, they put out that ridiculous facebook post immediately, if they had a video exonerating them....I'm damn sure they would have said so at that point.

I don't know.

The Furgeson police kept their best evidence in support of their officer from the public. It was good enough to fight off a Grand Jury, the DOJ and a Civil Suit.

The only one's that have released anything is some nutty local news outfit.
 
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This was said seriously, wasn't it?

So, let's make your claims clear: You can't see his left hand, because it is behind a pole..........so he probably had a gun? So you envision the right hand raised, left hand pointing a guy? Clever pole to get in the way.
Can you see the guys left hand or not?
 
Texas Sheriff Department Viciously Attacks Media After Video of Shooting Released
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http://truthvoice.com/2015/09/texas...tacks-media-after-video-of-shooting-released/


When did Texas LEO's turn into a bunch of pussies? JFC, this is weak. And then to say, well we couldn't obtain compliance to arrest him with non-lethal measures ... so we just shot and killed him.

That's not the standard and had never been the standard for using lethal force. It is generally if they are in reasonable fear for their own life or the lives of others. If he's standing with his hands up, neither of those two things are happening.
 
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The only one's that have released anything is some nutty local news outfit.

Thanks for the link. IF this guy had a knife in his hand (too small to show on the video or be seen from by the video taker)(and not left in the house, previously discarded, or utter bs) doesn't change my rush to judgement at all. Bad shoot, period. Previous methods tried to subdue the guy absolutely don't justify this shoot either. The guy just raised his damn hands and drastically reduced the threat he posed. If the shoot happened when he was running toward the LE vehicle or when he turned to face them and began moving toward them, and he really did have a knife, closer case but that ain't this case.

What makes the news outfit nutty?
 
Anyone with low enough morals to support that piece of crap has very little usefulness in our society. ......
 
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