Just the height of Lia is a huge advantage. Hormones don't shrink her.
The evidence does show that after two years hormonal therapy levels the playing ground. At this point you are just intentionally ignoring all of the links I've supplied.@Huey Grey Your framing is all wrong and I don't accept it.
We're starting from the perspective that biological males have an advantage of biological females in most sport, often to a large degree. (this is obvious to all)
Therefor they shouldn't compete against one another.
You need to be able to prove that something like hormonal transition over X period of time somehow levels the playing field, so to speak. Which would also require understanding all the ways males might be advantaged.
We don't have that sort of evidence and the studies you've shared don't offer anything near a definitive conclusion.
No, the military data showing that after 2 years pushups & sit-ups (but apparently not running) normalized across transitioners and their gender hardly digs deep enough into the complexities associated with advantage to make the call.
Nor does the cited stuff in the article you posted about Lia's performance as a male. (in fact, it only reinforced some concerns)
There are many cis females her height.Just the height of Lia is a huge advantage. Hormones don't shrink her.
Just an incredible amount of bigotry in this thread. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh and not that you will read this, but here's the truth to all the handwringing you're doing over this.
Why the data shows trans swimming champion Lia Thomas didn’t have an unfair advantage
The NCAA champion has sparked controversy and become a hate figure among conservatives, but statistics show little evidence that she performed any differently to other women, Io Dodds reportswww.independent.co.uk
500th to 5thExcept there is no unfair advantage for fully transitioned females. It would absolutely be relevant if science pointed towards an unfair advantage. But the studies find the opposite.
"According to a search of USA Swimming records, in the last season where Ms Thomas competed in men's events, she came in ninth across the entire country in the 1,000 yard freestyle and 29th in the 1,650 yard freestyle"500th to 5th
The disable are already a protected class. So what's the point of this?
I assume another weak attempt by the despicable Rs to make them feel ostracized. I saw it just now and thought it might be pertinent.,The disable are already a protected class. So what's the point of this?
Finally recognizing the crazy and giving them avenues for help.
That's insane.It's not that hard to be respectful. If you want to be called purple flingbow, then you are purple flingbow to me.
It's simply accurate.It's not clever or helpful or respectful to call her a he.
Of course you side with a pervert that likes to undress in front of women and then steal their glory in swim meets. And just on que you cry bigotry/sexism/racism/etc. Whenever the left takes an asinine position, they call names.Just an incredible amount of bigotry in this thread. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh and not that you will read this, but here's the truth to all the handwringing you're doing over this.
Why the data shows trans swimming champion Lia Thomas didn’t have an unfair advantage
The NCAA champion has sparked controversy and become a hate figure among conservatives, but statistics show little evidence that she performed any differently to other women, Io Dodds reportswww.independent.co.uk
The evidence does show that after two years hormonal therapy levels the playing ground. At this point you are just intentionally ignoring all of the links I've supplied.
Once again, some of these are military studies. You're really claiming military studies are riddled with woke bias? Be intellectually honest.I can't believe I'm contributing to this thread just for this, but have you ever thought about the level of bias involved in any of the "evidence" or "data" that supports you on this topic? Bias is extremely difficult to remove from even well designed and controlled studies. Be intellectually honest.
Hey, why isn't science curing me and making me straight? These arguments are lousy AF.Why isn't science working to correct the abnormalities of the brain, be they chemical or mental, rather than chopping off then altering natural body parts? Where is science when you really need it?
Once again, some of these are military studies. You're really claiming military studies are riddled with woke bias? Be intellectually honest.
Cure is the wrong word here. Trans isn't a disease it's an abnormality by definition. Science works on other abnormalities, raises boatloads of money in fact. I'll bet you would oppose science looking for the answers...Hey, why isn't science curing me and making me straight? These arguments are lousy AF.
Oh? Do you think your "innermost sense of GeNdEr" doesn't match your sex? Or are you simply same-sex attracted?Hey, why isn't science curing me and making me straight? These arguments are lousy AF.
Lots of things are abnormalities. Being left handed used to be viewed as abnormal. Being gay used to be considered abnormal.Cure is the wrong word here. Trans isn't a disease it's an abnormality by definition. Science works on other abnormalities, raises boatloads of money in fact. I'll bet you would oppose science looking for the answers...
And we ply those "abnormalities" with drugs and surgery, right? Otherwise those lefties and gays would kill theyselfs!Lots of things are abnormalities. Being left handed used to be viewed as abnormal. Being gay used to be considered abnormal.
Once again, some of these are military studies. You're really claiming military studies are riddled with woke bias? Be intellectually honest.
The test measured how many pushups in a set number of time subjects could do both before and after transitioning. Explain where the bias could be?Yes they can be sure. Military studies involve humans don’t they? Humans are subject to bias.
The part where they're all "sometimes dudes can be broads."The test measured how many pushups in a set number of time subjects could do both before and after transitioning. Explain where the bias could be?
The test measured how many pushups in a set number of time subjects could do both before and after transitioning. Explain where the bias could be?
This makes zero sense. So the subjects have bias so this somehow changes the number of pushups they can do? And what about the subjects who went f to m? They can now do a lot more pushups. That's just bias in your mind? Your arguments are getting dumber by the minute.In the subjects themselves of course. If this is the study you keep referencing you have lost your damned mind and or are not a serious person.
No one goes from "f to m," you dolt.And what about the subjects who went f to m?
You voted for a guy who liked to walk around the Miss Teen USA dressing room. Partied with a known pedophile. Admits to sexually assaulting women. Maybe you don’t want to go here with anyone else.Of course you side with a pervert that likes to undress in front of women and then steal their glory in swim meets. And just on que you cry bigotry/sexism/racism/etc. Whenever the left takes an asinine position, they call names.
Ergo, William Thomas is female.You voted for a guy who liked to walk around the Miss Teen USA dressing room. Partied with a known pedophile. Admits to sexually assaulting women. Maybe you don’t want to go here with anyone else.
That's why he's got the alphabet mafia coming after him... too funny!
While I don't lose sleep over it, like ED does, I can honestly say it really is complete and utter disservice to biological women and shouldn't even be considered. I guess I'm only LGBQ when it comes to athletics.A guy with a dick winning ncaa titles in women’s swimming is a hill some want to die on defending.
Be loud about it.
People equating transgenderism to race are making a false argument. Choices have rewards and consequences. No one chose to be born white or black or chinese. Choosing to trans yourself may give you some kind of peace of mind that you are living your truth, and I respect your right to be you. But part of the consequences of that choice is you may have to give up other things to be your authentic self.A guy with a dick winning ncaa titles in women’s swimming is a hill some want to die on defending.
Be loud about it.
Rachel is laughing at you!People equating transgenderism to race are making a false argument. Choices have rewards and consequences. No one chose to be born white or black or chinese. Choosing to trans yourself may give you some kind of peace of mind that you are living your truth, and I respect your right to be you. But part of the consequences of that choice is you may have to give up other things to be your authentic self.
No one says this dude can't swim... he just can't swim against the girls in a competition. He still gets to tuck his junk, wear a skirt, and call himself Lia. He could even still swim against other dudes in competition. In no way have his rights been restricted or violated.