The 5 second call with 58 seconds left

[DavenportHawk8]

I guess yeah the officials did allow some hand grabbing go, but still Iowa has to be tougher than that (mentally/physically). I just hate to see the MSU's of the world start to get physical with Iowa and they just fold. They don't fight back or nothing.

The Inbounds play will go down in history as the two worst plays ever. I am sure coaches will use those as a teaching tool to junior high kids and high school kids (this is not how you take the ball out of bounds).

Greg McDermott was always a master at getting the ball inbounds. He would spread the floor with his players and they could always get in. Iowa for whatever reason has all 4 guys run right to the ball and stand there.

 

[Krhino1]

Let's see what this coach can do with his own recruits and no rejected transfers from other schools. In three years ISU will be garbage. Write that down.

 

[Fsanford]

Let's see what this coach can do with his own recruits and no rejected transfers from other schools. In three years ISU will be garbage. Write that down.

given he has put 2 guards in the NBA while coaching Murray State, and given college ball is all about guard play he might just do alright.

 

[Makeweight35]

There it is again. isu wasn't good enough to beat Iowa on their own they needed our help.

Actually clown fan here is the secret. I am just posting like each and every clown fan did after UAB beat you.

I know it isn't fair to show how isu fans act. Just ask them.

I must have missed the part where Iowa put the ball through the Iowa State basket, giving them the win. What a dumb and costly mistake by the hawk player that did that! Sounds like fran should go back and teach the basics of basketball to his team!

 

[Hans81]

Regardless of outcome of last night's game, I'm still very thankful to be a Hawkeye fan and not a trashy iswho fan.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Regardless of outcome of last night's game, I'm still very thankful to be a Hawkeye fan and not a trashy iswho fan.

This x100000

I thank god everyday my parents raised me the right way (In western Iowa you have ISU & Nebbie). I am thankful that Im a hawkeye and will support this team in the darkest years and when they are good.

 

[AuroraHawk]

Keep working on it guys. I think by the end of the day you will all settle on your narrative for why Iowa lost that avoids giving any credit to Iowa State. You always do.

Reading is a skill. Try it.

Let me try again ... As I pointed out in plain English, I timed it on my watch and, even though the ref didn't snap off a 5 count, 5 seconds passed before Uthoff inbounded the ball. He should've called a time out. Colossal brain cramp.

Comprende?

 

[AuroraHawk]

Since he tripped over a cord, you will never see what you were looking for. Know what you're talking about before you insinuate something that didn't happen. As far as the storming of the court, something like that can happen when you actually have more than a few hundred fans in the arena.

One, how Peterson actually got hurt hadn't been revealed when I went to watch the replay.

Two, he didn't trip on a cord. He tweeted that he got his legs caught up with someone else's. On the bright side, perhaps the injury prevented him from joining his buddy Tommy on a late night hooker run to celebrate.

As for attendance, read this: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2014.pdf
I'll give you a hint ... math skills aren't your forte.

 

[navyrules]

Herky, it's difficult to get a court rush when you have to wake up the few hundred fans in attendance.

Here is the Men's basketball average attendance over the last two seasons:
Carver Hawkeye Arena - 14,538
Hilton Coliseum - 14,243

But it's your lie, tell it any way you want to.

 

[Ronman]

Irony. Complaining about an Iowa player poking another in the eye all last year, yet booing when one of their players does the same thing causing an injury

You seem rather clueless, so I'll help. When Woodbury accidently hit Trimble in the eye, the Iowa fans didn't boo Trimble for being hit. Your fans did boo Jok in the same situation. That is classless. You inderstand now?

 

[Lone Clone]

You seem rather clueless, so I'll help. When Woodbury accidently hit Trimble in the eye, the Iowa fans didn't boo Trimble for being hit. Your fans did boo Jok in the same situation. That is classless. You inderstand now?

The fans in Hilton weren't booing Jok for being hit. As anyone with even a vestigial brain would know.

 

[aurorabimmer]

The fans in Hilton weren't booing Jok for being hit. As anyone with even a vestigial brain would know.

Why were they booing Jok?

 

[navyrules]

The fans in Hilton weren't booing Jok for being hit. As anyone with even a vestigial brain would know.

The auto response of a Cyclone fan in attendance in Hilton is to boo anything that they don't agree with or don't understand. In this case, the conditioned response of a Cyclone fan is this:

1. See opponent go to the ground holding his head.
2. Immediately think it's a fake injury. (Never mind the fact there is no competitive advantage gained by faking an injury in this situation.)
3. Boo loudly, look around and complain to one another about the intestinal fortitude of injured player.
4. Rinse.
5. Repeat.


Jok could have been shot and the conditioned response of Hilton would be to boo loudly and complain that he was only shot in the leg.

 

[Lone Clone]

The auto response of a Cyclone fan in attendance in Hilton is to boo anything that they don't agree with or don't understand. In this case, the conditioned response of a Cyclone fan is this:

1. See opponent go to the ground holding his head.
2. Immediately think it's a fake injury. (Never mind the fact there is no competitive advantage gained by faking an injury in this situation.)
3. Boo loudly, look around and complain to one another about the intestinal fortitude of injured player.
4. Rinse.
5. Repeat.


Jok could have been shot and the conditioned response of Hilton would be to boo loudly and complain that he was only shot in the leg.

They were booing because (1) the officials didn't call a turnover, and (2) the officials improperly stopped play.

That should have been ISU's ball -- or a foul should have been called. You can't stop play, then give the ball back to Iowa, unless you call a foul.

In any case, why would ANYBODY boo an opposing player's injury? Oh, OK, Hawkeye fans tend to boo players they think are faking injury. But that wasn't the case here. Bad sportsmanship would be applauding an opponent's injury.

 

[aurorabimmer]

So I'd gladly accept the foul. Would the clone fans still boo? Do clone fans automatically think that every whistle is going to go their way? In the case of Woody, he was called for a foul and there was a discussion by the refs if it was intentional. Neither of those were done in Hilton so the refs messed up. I know this is a rhetorical statement but if the Hawks had won I can only imagine the whining coming from clone nation. ISU made the plays to win and Iowa didn't, that is what the game came down to, not a foul or no foul in this particular case. The game lasts 40 minutes. Congrats clones. I won't whine about the calls since over a season they tend to even out for every team. See you in Carver and Kinnick next year.

Go Hawks, we're going to the Rose Bowl.

 

[navyrules]

They were booing because (1) the officials didn't call a turnover, and (2) the officials improperly stopped play.

That should have been ISU's ball -- or a foul should have been called. You can't stop play, then give the ball back to Iowa, unless you call a foul.

In any case, why would ANYBODY boo an opposing player's injury? Oh, OK, Hawkeye fans tend to boo players they think are faking injury. But that wasn't the case here. Bad sportsmanship would be applauding an opponent's injury.

1. There is no official call of turnover because.... there wasn't a turnover. The referee can most certainly stop play in that situation. Look at the play.... Jok comes off the screen and is poked in the eye. He establishes both feet on the ground and PIVOTS to the ref holding his head indicating he is injured. The referee hesitates to see if there is any advantage and blows the whistle, then Jok goes to the floor. The referee has a right to stop play if he thinks the injury is bona fide, and stopping play is not taking away an advantage the opponent has at that time. If the ISU player would have been all over Jok after he is poked in the eye then the whistle become suspect. But the ISU player backed off BEFORE the whistle was blown, so no clear advantage. This was correctly called by the official.

2. If you are referring to Hawkeye fans booing both LSU and Michigan State in football. You can go back in both cases and see that these 'injuries' were faked and even admitted by MSU after that game. In the case of LSU there was clear video evidence that a player switched 'injured' legs while being tended to my medical staff. There is no comparison.....

 

[TheBling]

Here is the Men's basketball average attendance over the last two seasons:
Carver Hawkeye Arena - 14,538
Hilton Coliseum - 14,243

But it's your lie, tell it any way you want to.

Yeah Carver having 1,100 more seats might have something to do with that...

 

[Lone Clone]

So I'd gladly accept the foul. Would the clone fans still boo? Do clone fans automatically think that every whistle is going to go their way? I know this is a rhetorical statement but if the Hawks had won I can only imagine the whining coming from clone nation. ISU made the plays to win and Iowa didn't, that is what the game came down to, not a foul or no foul in this particular case. The game lasts 40 minutes. Congrats clones. I won't whine about the calls since over a season they tend to even out for every team. See you in Carver and Kinnick next year.

Go Hawks, we're going to the Rose Bowl.

Yes, had there been a foul called on Naz, the fans would have booed, and with reason.

Yes, the ISU fans always boo. I would be surprised if any fan base boos as regularly as the ISU fans do. This is just a fact of life. I do not defend it.

I would offer a partial explanation, though. In simplest terms, we expect to get screwed, and see every call as a screw job, because historically, that has often been the case. In the past four years, along, there have been several occasions when the league office has subsequently apologized and/or disciplined officials for egregious mistakes. And the NCAA cited a call at the end of the Ohio State game in the NCAA tournament as a reason for changing the rule interpretation on offensive fouls the next season.

One burned, twice shy; a dozen times burned, always shy.

 

[navyrules]

Yeah Carver having 1,100 more seats might have something to do with that...

Not sure your point, but my point was to show what Iowa has as many fas at their games as the great Iowa State does, not the 'couple of hundred' that the OP stated.

 

[Lone Clone]

1. There is no official call of turnover because.... there wasn't a turnover. The referee can most certainly stop play in that situation. Look at the play.... Jok comes off the screen and is poked in the eye. He establishes both feet on the ground and PIVOTS to the ref holding his head indicating he is injured. The referee hesitates to see if there is any advantage and blows the whistle, then Jok goes to the floor. The referee has a right to stop play if he thinks the injury is bona fide, and stopping play is not taking away an advantage the opponent has at that time. If the ISU player would have been all over Jok after he is poked in the eye then the whistle become suspect. But the ISU player backed off BEFORE the whistle was blown, so no clear advantage. This was correctly called by the official.

2. If you are referring to Hawkeye fans booing both LSU and Michigan State in football. You can go back in both cases and see that these 'injuries' were faked and even admitted by MSU after that game. In the case of LSU there was clear video evidence that a player switched 'injured' legs while being tended to my medical staff. There is no comparison.....

Watching the replay, what happens is that Naz is trying to fight through a moving screen by Woodbury when his hand hits Jok's eye. Jok grabs the ball, takes a step toward the official with both feet, and the official calls timeout. Jok is facing the official and I thought maybe he called time, but the official indicates its his timeout. Could be an illegal screen; definitely is a travel. And yes, it definitely provided Iowa an advantage, as it happened with 7 seconds on the shot clock and the guy with the ball out on the perimeter with his back to the basket.

For the record, there were three other officiating mistakes on that same possession, all of which went against ISU. There was a bogus foul called on Morris; then Woodbury traveled and wasn't called; then there was a blatantly obvious shot clock violation that wasn't called; then Iowa finally scored.

Incidentally, I said earlier that I don't know why everybody was booing. They might have been booing for different reasons. I suspect half of them were booing because other people were booing. I didn't boo; what I'm telling you is why I felt ISU was hurt by the officials on the play.

 

[navyrules]

Yes, had there been a foul called on Thomas, the fans would have booed, and with reason.

Yes, the ISU fans always boo. I would be surprised if any fan base boos as regularly as the ISU fans do. This is just a fact of life. I do not defend it.

I would offer a partial explanation, though. In simplest terms, we expect to get screwed, and see every call as a screw job, because historically, that has often been the case. In the past four years, along, there have been several occasions when the league office has subsequently apologized and/or disciplined officials for egregious mistakes. And the NCAA cited a call at the end of the Ohio State game in the NCAA tournament as a reason for changing the rule interpretation on offensive fouls the next season.

One burned, twice shy; a dozen times burned, always shy.

EVERY FAN BASE feels that they have been burned by the refs, ISU doesn't have the market cornered on this, regardless of whether you feel they do. FAR FAR more often than not, the referees call is the correct one, but because the behavior to boo the refs is celebrated at Hilton it has become acceptable and even encouraged. By the way if ISU fans want to boo every call that is certainly within their right. But let's not get ridiculous and try to justify it with some silly argument about ISU being unfairly targeted by the referees, the B12, or the NCAA in terms of bad calls.

 

[Lone Clone]

EVERY FAN BASE feels that they have been burned by the refs, ISU doesn't have the market cornered on this, regardless of whether you feel they do. .

How many letters of apology have most schools gotten from league officials?

 

[aurorabimmer]

Yes, had there been a foul called on Thomas, the fans would have booed, and with reason.

Yes, the ISU fans always boo. I would be surprised if any fan base boos as regularly as the ISU fans do. This is just a fact of life. I do not defend it.

I would offer a partial explanation, though. In simplest terms, we expect to get screwed, and see every call as a screw job, because historically, that has often been the case. In the past four years, along, there have been several occasions when the league office has subsequently apologized and/or disciplined officials for egregious mistakes. And the NCAA cited a call at the end of the Ohio State game in the NCAA tournament as a reason for changing the rule interpretation on offensive fouls the next season.

One burned, twice shy; a dozen times burned, always shy.

For what reason to boo? Jok could have had his eyeball dangling from his eye socket so that is why the refs stopped the game. They also should have called a foul. That what it was. Geez, you isu fans are ridiculous and get over your insecurities about the world being against you.

 

[Lone Clone]

For what reason to boo? Jok could have had his eyeball dangling from his eye socket so that is why the refs stopped the game. They also should have called a foul. That what it was. Geez, you isu fans are ridiculous and get over your insecurities about the world being against you.

Hell, I've seen officials not stop play while a guy writhed on the floor in pain from what turned out to be a season-ending injury. Niang was dazed and had a fat lip after the game from a shot he took from Woody very late in the game; nobody stopped the game.

 

[aurorabimmer]

Hell, I've seen officials not stop play while a guy writhed on the floor in pain from what turned out to be a season-ending injury. Niang was dazed and had a fat lip after the game from a shot he took from Woody very late in the game; nobody stopped the game.

You epitomize the whining of isu, you won the game and you still whine about the officiating. Get over it.

 

[navyrules]

Watching the replay, what happens is that Naz is trying to fight through a moving screen by Woodbury when his hand hits Jok's eye. Jok grabs the ball, takes a step toward the official with both feet, and the official calls timeout. Jok is facing the official and I thought maybe he called time, but the official indicates its his timeout. Could be an illegal screen; definitely is a travel. And yes, it definitely provided Iowa an advantage, as it happened with 7 seconds on the shot clock and the guy with the ball out on the perimeter with his back to the basket.

For the record, there were three other officiating mistakes on that same possession, all of which went against ISU. There was a bogus foul called on Morris; then Woodbury traveled and wasn't called; then there was a blatantly obvious shot clock violation that wasn't called; then Iowa finally scored.

Sorry, but we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this. No idea how you could think that screen was illegal. Woodbury gave him a step, and then was not moving when contact began. Also, Jok didn't travel, in fact he even pivots before the official time out is granted. Once again, no clear advantage to ISU when the whistle was blown for the injury. 7 seconds on a shot clock is not an advantage a referee is going to think about. Now if ISU was trapping him that would be different. Or if there was a steal and a clear layup about to occur that would be different.

All of your other complaints about that play were SUBSEQUENT. But let's play your game.... The one that has the most merit is the Woodbury travel. The foul on Morris is a call that is made all the time, especially in the new basketball freedom of movement era. There was no shot clock violation. You can pause it when it left Woodbury's hand and see the ball is clearly out of his hand when the shot clock reads 1.

So go ahead and keep telling us how the referees screwed over the mighty Cyclones.

 

[navyrules]

How many letters of apology have most schools gotten from league officials?

Plenty. So do you really believe that ISU has been targeted by officials as a school to screw over?

 

[Lone Clone]

Sorry, but we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this. No idea how you could think that screen was illegal. Woodbury gave him a step, and then was not moving when contact began. Also, Jok didn't travel, in fact he even pivots before the official time out is granted. Once again, no clear advantage to ISU when the whistle was blown for the injury. 7 seconds on a shot clock is not an advantage a referee is going to think about. Now if ISU was trapping him that would be different. Or if there was a steal and a clear layup about to occur that would be different.

All of your other complaints about that play were SUBSEQUENT. But let's play your game.... The one that has the most merit is the Woodbury travel. The foul on Morris is a call that is made all the time, especially in the new basketball freedom of movement era. There was no shot clock violation. You can pause it when it left Woodbury's hand and see the ball is clearly out of his hand when the shot clock reads 1.

So go ahead and keep telling us how the referees screwed over the mighty Cyclones.

We can disagree on the travel, the screen, and the call on Morris. We agree on the Woodbury travel. We definitely disagree on whether the ball was out of Woodbury's hand before the shot clock expired.

But let's back up a bit here........this thread, and my participation in it, isn't based on a claim that the Cyclones were screwed. I was responding to a question of why the fans were booing. For purposes of discussion, let's concede you are correct and all the calls were good. That isn't the point. The question is why there was booing, and my explanation is that there was booing because the fans thought the officials had erred.

I think I've said that the fans boo too much at Hilton. No question about that, IMHO.

 

[navyrules]

We can disagree on the travel, the screen, and the call on Morris. We agree on the Woodbury travel. We definitely disagree on whether the ball was out of Woodbury's hand before the shot clock expired.

But let's back up a bit here........this thread, and my participation in it, isn't based on a claim that the Cyclones were screwed. I was responding to a question of why the fans were booing. For purposes of discussion, let's concede you are correct and all the calls were good. That isn't the point. The question is why there was booing, and my explanation is that there was booing because the fans thought the officials had erred.

I think I've said that the fans boo too much at Hilton. No question about that, IMHO.

Okay. I'm done arguing about it. We both have our own opinions. I will say when it was live I thought that Iowa may have got away with a shot clock violation too. But I rewound it and paused it. CLEARLY the clock reads 1 second well after the ball left Woodbury's hand.

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[Lone Clone]

Okay. I'm done arguing about it. We both have our own opinions. I will say when it was live I thought that Iowa may have got away with a shot clock violation too. But I rewound it and paused it. CLEARLY the clock reads 1 second well after the ball left Woodbury's hand.

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I can see why you are tired of arguing about it. You are absolutely, positively, correct and I was as wrong as it is possible to be wrong.

 

[gojojo]

You seem rather clueless, so I'll help. When Woodbury accidently hit Trimble in the eye, the Iowa fans didn't boo Trimble for being hit. Your fans did boo Jok in the same situation. That is classless. You inderstand now?

There is so much wrong here I don't even know where to start.

On Iowa

 

[DavenportHawk8]

How many letters of apology have most schools gotten from league officials?

I know DUKE got one this year in football!