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The artificial controversy over Biden and ‘Negro,’ explained

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Overall, President Biden’s speech on Veterans Day was unremarkable. Presidents give solemn speeches with regularity, and the content is generally pretty predictable. And yet a controversy erupted anyway, pulled from the wispy ether like magic.

The tumult centers on this passage:
“I’ve adopted the attitude of the great Negro — at the time, pitcher in the Negro Leagues, went on to become a great pitcher in the pros, in the — Major League Baseball after Jackie Robinson,” Biden said. “His name was Satchel Paige.”
You can hear the speech at Factba.se, if you’d like. The dashes in the above transcript capture brief pauses when Biden redirected his comments.
What’s the controversy? Well, let’s let the right-wing personality Benny Johnson explain.

You’ll notice the difference between how I presented the comments and how Johnson did. In his version, “negro” is not capitalized — because Johnson is pretending it’s not an obvious reference to the “Negro Leagues,” a professional baseball league for Black players that existed about a century ago. In fact, his tweet willfully skips over that clarification, burying it in an ellipsis. It’s obvious that Biden was going to describe Paige as a great Negro Leagues pitcher (which he was) before clarifying that he was also great in the major leagues. But that’s not how Johnson characterized it.


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These things happen with some regularity. Comments are misinterpreted, often willfully, to make someone look bad. Generally, we might assume that an obviously misleading interpretation like the one above would simply flash and then fizzle out. But this one did not.
It was featured on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program, as reporter Aaron Rupar pointed out. Hannity described the comments as Biden having “one of his most disturbing, troubling moments to date.” On Friday morning, “Fox & Friends” picked it up, showing a clip that cut out the reference to the Negro Leagues entirely. In that snippet, Biden was shown saying, “I’ve adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time, pitcher … his name was Satchel Paige.”
“Biden’s choice of words while referencing Hall of Fame pitcher Satchel Paige,” the show’s host claimed, “landing him in hot water” — as though it wasn’t Fox’s choice of the words it aired that was the problem. There was some outcry and criticism from elsewhere in the media world, but Fox was undeterred. Later Friday, the network ran the story again, showing a full clip as a host invited viewers to “cringe” along with her.




It’s useful to consider why the network and others on the right are investing in this particular narrative. It comes down to one of the central debates in politics at the moment, the interplay of partisanship and race.
There is a sense among many conservatives that the political left is constantly attacking them as racist. The reasons for this are myriad and complicated, rooted to some extent in the overlap of race and partisanship (most Black Americans are Democrats) and in a sense that reevaluations of America’s history through the lens of race are implicitly (or explicitly) about criticizing White Americans. Polling has repeatedly shown that Republicans and, in particular, Trump supporters perceive White Americans as subject to discrimination at rates equal to or larger than minority groups. Many on the right believe that the left sees accusations of racism as a political trump card and deploys them to that effect.
At the same time, there’s a popular narrative on the right that insists that Democrats are the party of racism. After all, Abraham Lincoln was the Republican president who signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Southern Democrats were the driving force behind segregation and, often, anti-Black violence 100 years ago. That there was a dramatic and public move by segregationists away from Democrats during the civil rights era is generally ignored; the more useful story casts the political left as the then-and-now purveyors of racial discrimination.



In a radio interview last week, former House speaker Newt Gingrich made exactly this point.
“The Democrats have moved from anti-Black racism to anti-White racism,” he said.
To a large extent, this is also a function of the enthusiastic deployment of whataboutism in current political discussions. During Donald Trump’s presidency, a common refrain in his defense was to contrast his actions and statements with cherry-picked examples of others: What about what Barack Obama did?? So, as the presidential contest between Biden and Trump unfolded last year in front of the backdrop of racial tensions, Trump allies and Biden opponents worked to define Biden as a racist. It could be useful to mute criticisms of Trump, sure — What about what Biden said?? — but it also helped reinforce the idea that Democrats were hypocrites on race who used claims of racism opportunistically.



This is why the “Negro” allegation gained traction. The hashtag #RacistJoeBiden was trending on Twitter by early Friday afternoon. Some commenters on social media described Biden’s speech as having used the “n-word,” suggesting that a term once commonly used to refer to Black Americans — a descriptor that was in use in the Census Bureau’s racial categories as recently as 2010 — was equivalent to a historically racist slur. By pretending that Biden was calling Paige a “Negro,” though, they could pretend that Biden was revealing a secret bias against Black Americans, both for him and his party.
Oddly, some defenders of Fox News’s coverage tried to compare it to coverage of Trump’s “covfefe” tweet, a late-night typo that Trump later pretended was intentional. Covfefe did, in fact, elicit undue media attention. But the point here is that Fox et al are trying to claim that Biden’s speaking error wasn’t an error at all — precisely the opposite of the covfefe situation.
One of the hallmarks of Biden’s career in politics is that he is in fact prone to gaffes. This isn’t one of them. It is, instead, a run-of-the-mill speech in which an obvious transition in thought has been elevated to the level of scandal to put points on the board for the red team. We learn nothing new about Biden from this pseudo-debate. We do, however, learn something about his critics.

 
Another thing I hate about the left, they persecute anyone who dares to say anything their tender ears find offensive no matter how minor or even unintentional. But when Fox News or someone else catches the left saying something off color. Then the ya but's or what about Trumps start flying. All of this gotcha nonsense needs to stop, it is ridiculous. I just read where Aaron Sorkin is getting backlash for casting a Spanish actor to play Desi Arnaz, a Cuban. Now Sorkin is fighting back and telling everyone their objections are silly but he had no problem smearing Trump supporters as racists in The Social Network.

What about the leftists going crazy over the Rittenhouse judge's ring tone or that he clapped for veterans on Veterans Day. Give me a break.......
 
Remember when Joe said "Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."
 
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Overall, President Biden’s speech on Veterans Day was unremarkable. Presidents give solemn speeches with regularity, and the content is generally pretty predictable. And yet a controversy erupted anyway, pulled from the wispy ether like magic.

The tumult centers on this passage:

You can hear the speech at Factba.se, if you’d like. The dashes in the above transcript capture brief pauses when Biden redirected his comments.
What’s the controversy? Well, let’s let the right-wing personality Benny Johnson explain.

You’ll notice the difference between how I presented the comments and how Johnson did. In his version, “negro” is not capitalized — because Johnson is pretending it’s not an obvious reference to the “Negro Leagues,” a professional baseball league for Black players that existed about a century ago. In fact, his tweet willfully skips over that clarification, burying it in an ellipsis. It’s obvious that Biden was going to describe Paige as a great Negro Leagues pitcher (which he was) before clarifying that he was also great in the major leagues. But that’s not how Johnson characterized it.


ADVERTISING


These things happen with some regularity. Comments are misinterpreted, often willfully, to make someone look bad. Generally, we might assume that an obviously misleading interpretation like the one above would simply flash and then fizzle out. But this one did not.
It was featured on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program, as reporter Aaron Rupar pointed out. Hannity described the comments as Biden having “one of his most disturbing, troubling moments to date.” On Friday morning, “Fox & Friends” picked it up, showing a clip that cut out the reference to the Negro Leagues entirely. In that snippet, Biden was shown saying, “I’ve adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time, pitcher … his name was Satchel Paige.”
“Biden’s choice of words while referencing Hall of Fame pitcher Satchel Paige,” the show’s host claimed, “landing him in hot water” — as though it wasn’t Fox’s choice of the words it aired that was the problem. There was some outcry and criticism from elsewhere in the media world, but Fox was undeterred. Later Friday, the network ran the story again, showing a full clip as a host invited viewers to “cringe” along with her.




It’s useful to consider why the network and others on the right are investing in this particular narrative. It comes down to one of the central debates in politics at the moment, the interplay of partisanship and race.
There is a sense among many conservatives that the political left is constantly attacking them as racist. The reasons for this are myriad and complicated, rooted to some extent in the overlap of race and partisanship (most Black Americans are Democrats) and in a sense that reevaluations of America’s history through the lens of race are implicitly (or explicitly) about criticizing White Americans. Polling has repeatedly shown that Republicans and, in particular, Trump supporters perceive White Americans as subject to discrimination at rates equal to or larger than minority groups. Many on the right believe that the left sees accusations of racism as a political trump card and deploys them to that effect.
At the same time, there’s a popular narrative on the right that insists that Democrats are the party of racism. After all, Abraham Lincoln was the Republican president who signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Southern Democrats were the driving force behind segregation and, often, anti-Black violence 100 years ago. That there was a dramatic and public move by segregationists away from Democrats during the civil rights era is generally ignored; the more useful story casts the political left as the then-and-now purveyors of racial discrimination.



In a radio interview last week, former House speaker Newt Gingrich made exactly this point.
“The Democrats have moved from anti-Black racism to anti-White racism,” he said.
To a large extent, this is also a function of the enthusiastic deployment of whataboutism in current political discussions. During Donald Trump’s presidency, a common refrain in his defense was to contrast his actions and statements with cherry-picked examples of others: What about what Barack Obama did?? So, as the presidential contest between Biden and Trump unfolded last year in front of the backdrop of racial tensions, Trump allies and Biden opponents worked to define Biden as a racist. It could be useful to mute criticisms of Trump, sure — What about what Biden said?? — but it also helped reinforce the idea that Democrats were hypocrites on race who used claims of racism opportunistically.



This is why the “Negro” allegation gained traction. The hashtag #RacistJoeBiden was trending on Twitter by early Friday afternoon. Some commenters on social media described Biden’s speech as having used the “n-word,” suggesting that a term once commonly used to refer to Black Americans — a descriptor that was in use in the Census Bureau’s racial categories as recently as 2010 — was equivalent to a historically racist slur. By pretending that Biden was calling Paige a “Negro,” though, they could pretend that Biden was revealing a secret bias against Black Americans, both for him and his party.
Oddly, some defenders of Fox News’s coverage tried to compare it to coverage of Trump’s “covfefe” tweet, a late-night typo that Trump later pretended was intentional. Covfefe did, in fact, elicit undue media attention. But the point here is that Fox et al are trying to claim that Biden’s speaking error wasn’t an error at all — precisely the opposite of the covfefe situation.
One of the hallmarks of Biden’s career in politics is that he is in fact prone to gaffes. This isn’t one of them. It is, instead, a run-of-the-mill speech in which an obvious transition in thought has been elevated to the level of scandal to put points on the board for the red team. We learn nothing new about Biden from this pseudo-debate. We do, however, learn something about his critics.

The use of the term Negro is outmoded ,by the request of those who were at the time called that, but has no bad meaning . Not like the N-word or other slur words for Blacks. It simply is the Spanish word for black and was used for many years, hence "Negro League."-- presume it should be all right to use it in describing that league or any other association that legitimately used it.in it's title.
 
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Overall, President Biden’s speech on Veterans Day was unremarkable. Presidents give solemn speeches with regularity, and the content is generally pretty predictable. And yet a controversy erupted anyway, pulled from the wispy ether like magic.

The tumult centers on this passage:

You can hear the speech at Factba.se, if you’d like. The dashes in the above transcript capture brief pauses when Biden redirected his comments.
What’s the controversy? Well, let’s let the right-wing personality Benny Johnson explain.

You’ll notice the difference between how I presented the comments and how Johnson did. In his version, “negro” is not capitalized — because Johnson is pretending it’s not an obvious reference to the “Negro Leagues,” a professional baseball league for Black players that existed about a century ago. In fact, his tweet willfully skips over that clarification, burying it in an ellipsis. It’s obvious that Biden was going to describe Paige as a great Negro Leagues pitcher (which he was) before clarifying that he was also great in the major leagues. But that’s not how Johnson characterized it.


ADVERTISING


These things happen with some regularity. Comments are misinterpreted, often willfully, to make someone look bad. Generally, we might assume that an obviously misleading interpretation like the one above would simply flash and then fizzle out. But this one did not.
It was featured on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program, as reporter Aaron Rupar pointed out. Hannity described the comments as Biden having “one of his most disturbing, troubling moments to date.” On Friday morning, “Fox & Friends” picked it up, showing a clip that cut out the reference to the Negro Leagues entirely. In that snippet, Biden was shown saying, “I’ve adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time, pitcher … his name was Satchel Paige.”
“Biden’s choice of words while referencing Hall of Fame pitcher Satchel Paige,” the show’s host claimed, “landing him in hot water” — as though it wasn’t Fox’s choice of the words it aired that was the problem. There was some outcry and criticism from elsewhere in the media world, but Fox was undeterred. Later Friday, the network ran the story again, showing a full clip as a host invited viewers to “cringe” along with her.




It’s useful to consider why the network and others on the right are investing in this particular narrative. It comes down to one of the central debates in politics at the moment, the interplay of partisanship and race.
There is a sense among many conservatives that the political left is constantly attacking them as racist. The reasons for this are myriad and complicated, rooted to some extent in the overlap of race and partisanship (most Black Americans are Democrats) and in a sense that reevaluations of America’s history through the lens of race are implicitly (or explicitly) about criticizing White Americans. Polling has repeatedly shown that Republicans and, in particular, Trump supporters perceive White Americans as subject to discrimination at rates equal to or larger than minority groups. Many on the right believe that the left sees accusations of racism as a political trump card and deploys them to that effect.
At the same time, there’s a popular narrative on the right that insists that Democrats are the party of racism. After all, Abraham Lincoln was the Republican president who signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Southern Democrats were the driving force behind segregation and, often, anti-Black violence 100 years ago. That there was a dramatic and public move by segregationists away from Democrats during the civil rights era is generally ignored; the more useful story casts the political left as the then-and-now purveyors of racial discrimination.



In a radio interview last week, former House speaker Newt Gingrich made exactly this point.
“The Democrats have moved from anti-Black racism to anti-White racism,” he said.
To a large extent, this is also a function of the enthusiastic deployment of whataboutism in current political discussions. During Donald Trump’s presidency, a common refrain in his defense was to contrast his actions and statements with cherry-picked examples of others: What about what Barack Obama did?? So, as the presidential contest between Biden and Trump unfolded last year in front of the backdrop of racial tensions, Trump allies and Biden opponents worked to define Biden as a racist. It could be useful to mute criticisms of Trump, sure — What about what Biden said?? — but it also helped reinforce the idea that Democrats were hypocrites on race who used claims of racism opportunistically.



This is why the “Negro” allegation gained traction. The hashtag #RacistJoeBiden was trending on Twitter by early Friday afternoon. Some commenters on social media described Biden’s speech as having used the “n-word,” suggesting that a term once commonly used to refer to Black Americans — a descriptor that was in use in the Census Bureau’s racial categories as recently as 2010 — was equivalent to a historically racist slur. By pretending that Biden was calling Paige a “Negro,” though, they could pretend that Biden was revealing a secret bias against Black Americans, both for him and his party.
Oddly, some defenders of Fox News’s coverage tried to compare it to coverage of Trump’s “covfefe” tweet, a late-night typo that Trump later pretended was intentional. Covfefe did, in fact, elicit undue media attention. But the point here is that Fox et al are trying to claim that Biden’s speaking error wasn’t an error at all — precisely the opposite of the covfefe situation.
One of the hallmarks of Biden’s career in politics is that he is in fact prone to gaffes. This isn’t one of them. It is, instead, a run-of-the-mill speech in which an obvious transition in thought has been elevated to the level of scandal to put points on the board for the red team. We learn nothing new about Biden from this pseudo-debate. We do, however, learn something about his critics.

Disingenuous article….if any republican said the same thing cnn/msnbc ect would lose their shit….evidence of white supremacy

Joe obviously made a reference to the negro leagues….no big deal
 
When he kept referring to him as “Satch” I half expected him to start prattling on about Louis Armstrong.

In all seriousness though, the real issue here isn’t whether or not Biden referred to Satchel Paige as a great Negro. The real issue is the sheet number of times Biden has to stop mid-sentence to change directions or correct himself or clarify something he just said. It’s fairly constant at this point. His cognitive skills are clearly declining.
 
When he kept referring to him as “Satch” I half expected him to start prattling on about Louis Armstrong.

In all seriousness though, the real issue here isn’t whether or not Biden referred to Satchel Paige as a great Negro. The real issue is the sheet number of times Biden has to stop mid-sentence to change directions or correct himself or clarify something he just said. It’s fairly constant at this point. His cognitive skills are clearly declining.
If this awkward speech pattern was something new for Biden you would have a point, but he's always been like this even when he was much younger. Biden has been known for gaffes for quite some time.
 
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If this awkward speech pattern was something new for Biden you would have a point, but he's always been like this even when he was much younger. Biden has been known for gaffes for quite some time.
It’s not just an awkward speech pattern anymore. It’s not like it was when he was 40 or 50 or 60. There are too many things that can’t simply be explained away as stuttering or some sort of speech impediment. Far too often he will stop mid-sentence and look confused for a few seconds. Then he’ll look down or start blinking his eyes as he tries to collect his thoughts. There is a very noticeable cognitive decline.
 
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May I hashtag this comment ihhawk as a candidate for the “stupidest post on HROT, all time”?
That comment exceeds my expectations of your ignorance. Good job.
I have watched the Biden clip 30 times. The fact your side is trying to spin it into something that allows you to sleep at night is quite impressive.

I’m not surprised though. You ha e a governor who wore black face next to a KKK costume and your team didn’t give two shits
 
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I have watched the Biden clip 30 times. The fact your side is trying to spin it into something that allows you to sleep at night is quite impressive.

I’m not surprised though. You ha e a governor who wore black face next to a KKK costume and your team didn’t give two shits
ime and perspective....a concept you and yours do not understand, as far as the Governor....which I sure as hell never had it you gave me.
The Biden/Negro remark is something you and yours are just really trying too hard to make an issue when it really is not an issue....Is is Biden’s fault 100 years ago America had a Negro League for professional ballplayers?
Anyway...I take it that you will allow me to quote your brilliance as one of HROTs stupidest comments of all time. Thanks!
 
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ime and perspective....a concept you and yours do not understand, as far as the Governor....which I sure as hell never had it you gave me.
The Biden/Negro remark is something you and yours are just really trying too hard to make an issue when it really is not an issue....Is is Biden’s fault 100 years ago America had a Negro League for professional ballplayers?
Anyway...I take it that you will allow me to quote your brilliance as one of HROTs stupidest comments of all time. Thanks!
What do you think happens if Trump is at a campaign stop next month and references a black man from the 20s as a negro? Is it now okay to reference Rosa Parks as a great negro?
Also, how do you think it will be received when that clip is played on a campaign video? You think AA voters in 2022 will think the way you think?
 
What do you think happens if Trump is at a campaign stop next month and references a black man from the 20s as a negro? Is it now okay to reference Rosa Parks as a great negro?
Also, how do you think it will be received when that clip is played on a campaign video? You think AA voters in 2022 will think the way you think?
Did Rosa drive a bus for a Negro League ball team?
 
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Joe said what he said and to the surprise of no one those in his tribe excuse it. Those in the other tribe rightly point out that their tribe would t get excused. Nothing new here.
 
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OP, let me fix that headline for you: Biden Makes Obvious Gaff, Media Rush To His Defense To Explain Why It Wasn't
 
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Are now supposed to reference it as the "African American League"?
No, I believe now it would have to be persons OF color League.

Way back in time black people wanted to be called Negros because they didn't like being called "colored". Then some time in the 50s they wanted to be called "blacks" because they didn't like being called negros. Then they decided they didn't like being called "blacks" and wanted to be called "African-Americans". Then came a time when they decided they didn't like "African-Americans" and said it should be "Afro-American". Then came a time when "Afro-American" was all wrong and it had to be "Persons Of Color".

So over a 100 years or so they've gone from not wanting to be called "colored" to demanding to be called "colored".

I think I'm getting too old for this shit.
 
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