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An oft-repeated miracle at that.But what Iowa does to opponent's FG percentage could be characterized as ...
An oft-repeated miracle at that.
USC has 10 points in first 11 minutes vs Wisconsin at home. 4-12 FGs and 0-4 from three.
I noted this last night in the game thread. No team should take anything away from beating Iowa at home. You're not necessarily turning anything around by spanking the Hawks on your home court.
Indifference is worse than anger because you stop caring. That obviously where the fan base is regarding attendance.
Between Alfraud and Lick,they burnt down the program. The ISU AD has ran circles around ours. I give Fran credit for getting the program back to mediocrity. Buts that's as far as he can get it. Time for change.
Gotcha…on a national landscape…Iowa football is still looked at on a higher level than Iowa State, who plays in a weaker B12 conference.
Side note but Jeff Peterson is now the President of Basketball Operations for the Charlotte Hornets.
Over the years there have been a lot of posters that suggested the program was dead after LIckliter, the roster completely empty of talent, not recoverable, huge job to get back, near miracle...Baylor is clear example showing programs have come back from much worse and achieved higher.
I didn't intend to overstate your characterizaiton of the rebuiid, its just a general narrative over the years has made it out to be some type of miracle or near miracle rebuild. After 3 years the program got rebuilt and rebuilding is pretty easily done in 3 years in basketball.
Fran needs to be judged based on the 12 seasons he's had since the rebuild. He clearly is solid, not below average but low Ceiling guy. It would not be shocking to seem Iowa finish in the Middle of the pack in B1G again this season. With Fran's contract ending in 27-28, it shouldn't be renewed and a transition to a new coach needs to be planned, which might include a negotiated buyout and early exit.
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True. Also only two seasons with less than 18 wins, and one was his debut digging out of the Lick Ditch. Somewhat like our football team…fairly high floor but a low ceiling. Recruiting is always a challenge.
I don't have a problem with Fran's regular season results it's the post season results that his system seems incapable of producing that is the problem.
Frans legacy will be that even with the best player in the country two years in a row he still couldn't do anything with them in the tournament.
Luka won the National Player of the Year but let's not get carried away and say he was the best player in the country. If he was, he would not have lasted until the 2nd round.
So he won the award for the best player but calling him the best player is getting carried away?
The nba is a completely different game than college. Luka was one of the best post scorers in college history and they don't even run offense through the post in the NBA.
It's apples to oranges.
Yes - it is getting carried away. He was no way near the best player in the country and you of all people who value the talent level of those in the NBA should understand that. Luka was much like the Oakland A's (See Moneyball) where over the course of the year he would pile up stats and lead the team to many victories. He was a great scorer, and an average rebounder, below average passer, and a poor defender. Those are not the credentials of the "best" player in the country. But for any given game, he could get shut down by a more dominant athlete. That is what happened to him and the Iowa team in those years. In basketball where it is one and done - any given game. There are plenty of other ways to discredit Fran.
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Didn't we lose to the Richmond Spiders with Keegan and Kris? I remember the Oregon blowout the year before with Garza, but I will never get over the Spiders game. That Iowa team was hot coming out of the BIG tournament and *should* have made a run in the NCAA tournament but couldn't even get out of day1. If Fran couldn't make a run with Garza, or Kris/Keegan and some of the other talent he isn't doing it with our current roster and I don't see any other platers coming in that will change that.
His sons were on those teams getting time that Kris/Keegan should have been getting
And was hampered by a sprained ankle if I remember right. PMac was the other player besides Keegan in that game that showed any heart beat. Bohannan and Perkins couldn't guard a flee, Payton played 7 minutes and had 2 points and the great post feeder Connor McCaffery played over 20 minutes in that game and come up empty. A fitting end to a up and down career at Iowa....
At this time, I have no reason to believe that a sweet 16 is attainable for this program. And so it goes.
For fvcks sake that's what the player of the year is for...being the best player.
You're nba argument is based on a premis that is just stupid on its face. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
"On any given game he could get shut down by a more dominant athlete That is what happened to him and the Iowa team in those years"
This is absolutely not what happen. This is pure bullshit.
Iowa never lost games because Garza got shut down, they lost games because the rest of the roster couldn't defend anyone and they could get shut down. The box scores are there to prove it.
