Hey, preshlock. Long time no see. How ya been?right Hirohito didn't read the Proclamation of Surrender until the night of August 15. Even then there was a coup attempt by fanatics in the military to stop the surrender. But Japan would not formally surrender until September 2.
No way to know this.Disagree
unneccessary dr strangelove pricks who wanted to announce to the world we were the nuclear power
Japan was going to surrender
I think it was a combination of the A-bombs and the fact that the Soviets declared war on Japan on, I believe, the same day as the Nagasaki bombing. Prior to that, Japan had hoped that maybe they would be able to broker a peace deal through an "outside" party, the Soviet Union, that would not require unconditional surrender to the Allies. Unbeknownst to Japan though was that Stalin had pledged to FDR and Churchill that the Soviets would enter the war against Japan no later than 3 months after the defeat of Germany. I think that agreement was reached at the Tehran Conference, late in 1943.No way to know this.
What we do know, is that the bombs ended a war that was killing tens of thousands of people on an almost daily basis due to nightly American bombings with conventional weapons.....and Japan had not surrendered from that. The shock value of the A-bombs is what ended the war.
But they likely declared war because they saw the writing on the wall for Japan and were thinking about locking in gains in Asia.I think it was a combination of the A-bombs and the fact that the Soviets declared war on Japan on, I believe, the same day as the Nagasaki bombing.
One of my grandfathers was in the Marines, he was in charge of handling remains and possessions of soldiers. He had to go there as well afterward, had massive brain tumor 30 years later, they figure it was from that visitUnfortunately, my family had the opposite result. My grandfather was in the Navy at the time and was sent to poke around the ruins. Apparently they didn’t really understand how much radiation was going to remain and how bad it would be. Died of leukemia at 60. I guess you can’t really say it was directly caused by that but...,
Says, little was known about it then and some thought it was infectious. Others who might know more thought survivors would be poor marriage partners because of possible genetic damage.. It may be also be, my opinion, their culture and being connected with Japan's loss. As it doesn't seem like those first two reasons would be enough for them to keep so quiet about it that only now are the few left revealing that they were survivors of the Abombs.vbWhy did it say they were shunned?
Even the babies and children weren't innocent.? Also Hiroshima had a large number of Korean workers (Korea was colonized by Japan from 1910 to 1945) many of them forced to work without pay..There were no innocent Japanese lives lost. They followed a leader that brought them into a war with US after attacking US. It’s very sad that many had to die without question but again lives were likely saved even so, in total.
My Dad was on a carrier that had just left San Diego and was headed for Pearl Harbor to be loaded up and assigned to a fleet for the invasion of the Japanese homeland. My Dad was a signalman, stationed on the bridge. He heard the captain and XO's opinions every day. The captain was itching to get in the fight as he lost a brother at Okinawa and was out for blood. Dad said the crew was split about 50/50 between those wanting to get in the fight and those who just wanted the war to end.It meant my Dad got to be on a ship on his way home in September of 1945 instead of being sent as part of the invasion of Japan.
My siblings and I are grateful for that. He might not have come home.
They were growing more and more fanatical as their effort became more and more futile. They were training near children to serve as kamikaze pilots.I would say AT LEAST, rather than up to...
Japan was not going to surrender no matter what the Monday Morning Quarterbacks and history revisionists will say.
This is a very weighty subject to consider. In the end...I am OK with the decision given ALL of the parameters AND that Truman gave them one final warning that they rejected. War is hell.Very interesting, well researched article on why it was the right thing to do. I have always thought so, but understand that others do not. Would love to hear explanations from those who do not think it was the right thing, why not?
There was a lot of Japanese guilt after the war. Both in the military as well as civilian population.Says, little was known about it then and some thought it was infectious. Others who might know more thought survivors would be poor marriage partners because of possible genetic damage.. It may be also be, my opinion, their culture and being connected with Japan's loss. As it doesn't seem like those first two reasons would be enough for them to keep so quiet about it that only now are the few left revealing that they were survivors of the Abombs.vb
One of those "there are no good answers" scenarios. As horrific as the death tolls were, the bombs saved literally millions of Japanese lives by slamming the door on plans to fight to the last man, woman, and child.It was ultimately a tough situation in which I don't think there are any easy answers. I think given the information the A Bomb was the best solution. An invasion of mainland Japan would have likely cost a lot more lives.
They quite simply were not going to give up that easily. The A bomb was basically a way to force them to give up because it presented them with a weapon that they really just couldn't fight back against.
Crap they had a couple guys conducting a guerrilla war into the 1970's refusing to believe the war was over.The Japan was going to surrender narrative is with the benefit of hindsight and postwar findings.
With the evidence Truman had of the Japanese fighting basically to the last man on every island...Kamikaze's....don't think he or the military leadership would give any credence to "Japan's about to surrender" intelligence.
They didn't surrender in hopeless situations up to then....
There's pretty compelling evidence that they were in fact on the verge of surrender. That evidence was obtained after the war and has the benefit of hindsight with the folks that push that narrative.Crap they had a couple guys conducting a guerrilla war into the 1970's refusing to believe the war was over.
With one of them they had to track down his last CO fly him to the Phillipines and have the man personally order him to surrender. Guy missed out on nearly 30 years of his life waiting for those orders.
This isn't a culture that quits.
No question he did the right thing. My folks took us to the Truman Library when we were kids. He was there and gave a short talk to a group of college students and visitors. During the Q and A he got asked the obligatory question, “would you drop the Bomb again if you could do it over.” He didn’t hesitate to say yes and confidently explained that it saved millions of Japanese lives, as well as hundreds of thousands of Americans.There's pretty compelling evidence that they were in fact on the verge of surrender. That evidence was obtained after the war and has the benefit of hindsight with the folks that push that narrative.
Have to judge Truman with the evidence he had at the time of his decision. He made the correct decision...
By the end of the war, Japan had all but stopped training pilots to land. Boys as young as 16 were trained to fly into US Naval ships.There were no innocent Japanese lives lost. They followed a leader that brought them into a war with US after attacking US. It’s very sad that many had to die without question but again lives were likely saved even so, in total.
Right. And as had been said, if they were on the verge of surrender as many claim, they would have done it after Little Boy.By the end of the war, Japan had all but stopped training pilots to land. Boys as young as 16 were trained to fly into US Naval ships.
Japan was not going to surrender without Allied ground forces obliterating the population.
Due to my late night work schedule and a lack of actual work activity, I was able to browse the internet tonight and came across this account of the last great bombing raid of WWII. My dad was a ground based radio (think Morse Code) operator on Guam who was told when he came on duty that night that the Japanese may surrender at any time, and, if they did, he was to send out the recall signal to all of the bombers on their missions that night. His claim to fame was that he could have recalled somewhere between 800-1,000 B-29s that were assigned to hit various targets across Japan that night, in the last great bombing raid of the war. Unfortunately for those involved, the Japanese did not surrender until after each of those planes had reached their objectives.What people may not realize is that our air force continued to bomb Japanese cities with conventional high explosive and incendiary bombs even after the 2 A-bombs were dropped. They only surrendered about a week after the 2nd bomb. The last night of the war, we sent out over 800 bombers to bomb various Japanese cities. We kept the pressure on them until the last. Sadly, even after they surrendered, there were still a couple of aerial confrontations that led to the loss of life when Japanese fighters attacked a couple of our reconnaissance planes over Japanese cities. The Japanese were suspicious of single bombers flying overhead after the 2 bombings. Of course, this was before we had occupational forces on the islands.
If they were prepared to fight to the death of every man, woman, and child then why did they surrender after we dropped the bombs? Why didn't they continue fighting?Japan was NOT going to surrender. They were prepared to fight to the death of every man, woman and child.
The bombs saved millions of lives.
They were prepared to sacrifice everything given that victory was still a possibility. Atomic weapons made victory impossible for Japan.If they were prepared to fight to the death of every man, woman, and child then why did they surrender after we dropped the bombs? Why didn't they continue fighting?