The DNC is not subtle
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This is another one of these "Look how smart and sophisticated and savvy I am" threads to show someone that believes they have figure out some nefarious plot that the rest of us rubes cannot see.
The Truth: There is no plot.
The Truth: There is no plot.
The DNC is not organized or competent enough to pull of well anything.
If Biden is senile than what is Trump?
I don't think this will hurt Biden that much because Trump does roughly the same stuff if not worse. And honestly I don't think Trump wants to start a war of public speaking low-lights.
Here is what is happening. The establishment of the Democratic Party has finally realized they can't keep splitting their votes 3 ways. Now that they have consolidated it's a good bet this will likely be essentially over by Wednesday. Bernie needed to try and get one of the candidates to drop out and endorse him. I suppose he might be able to get Warren, but she's still a party loyalist. Ultimately, Bernie needed to build a coalition and he didn't even seem interested in doing that. He was hoping to get enough new voters to take over the party and that just didn't happen.
Or, I could be wrong and Super Tuesday will be completely different. But it doesn't look good for Bernie right now. I guess it will be up to Biden to get them to join but he's going to have to show some interest in addressing income inequality to do it.
Or, I could be wrong and Super Tuesday will be completely different. But it doesn't look good for Bernie right now. I guess it will be up to Biden to get them to join but he's going to have to show some interest in addressing income inequality to do it.
There is a plot, but it's not from the DNC. Biden (or his people) just had a chat with Amy and Pete and convinced them to stand down before super Tuesday. There has likely been promises made.
This isn't over by Wednesday I don't think. But Biden and co have just thrown down a speed bump right in front of Bernie to curtail his momentum.
I am more and more thinking this goes all the way to the convention.
This is exactly it. Everything you said. And some heavyweight establishment people (John Kerry, Harry Reid, etc.) likely in their ears as well.
If you don't think the DNC is doing everything in their power to make sure Bernie Sanders isn't the nominee, you haven't been paying attention.
Yes, this is called politics and is something Bernie should have been anticipating (and he probably was). If his plan of expanding the voting base is going to work, it needs to happen by Super Tuesday.
Look, I'd still pick Biden over Trump but I think it's fair to wonder how much Biden is losing some of his faculties. Trump is terrible but neither is mutually exclusive.
I think it's more Biden. The thing you have to realize is that the majority of democrats are moderate. They have just been splitting their vote between several candidates while Bernie had pretty much defeated all his leftist opponents after New Hampshire (Warren failing to do well in Iowa or NH killed her chances.)
Oh I certainly agree he is. It's also a sad thing.
But Biden might be self aware enough to let other people do the thinking for him or even possibly resign at some point.
Even if he isn't I would trust the D's more to pull out the 25th amendment than the cultist R's. All that needs to happen is some point after the inauguration a doc diagnoses Biden with dementia. There isn't a cult around Biden that would protect him from this. Then you would have Acting president Klobuchar. (Biden would still be president unless he formally resigns. Even if he's stuck in a 24 hour care nursing home.)
Agree. Biden will get the votes that would have went to Pete and Amy, which will beat Bernie.
It’s over, and Bernie is toast.
Convincing other candidates in a similar place on the political spectrum to drop out and support the guy is hardly a "hit job". I prefer it this way. Because if you had something like ranked choice voting, Sanders would be out right now.
Sanders is only in the lead right now thanks to the fact that he quickly shut down Warren and has kept the far left of the party under his banner. The moderates (who are like 2/3rds of the party) where flocking to 3 different banners. This is an attempt to unite them under 1 banner.
Not to mention the huge Super PAC bribe...I mean donation...that Warren accepted (which she vowed she would never do) in order to stay in the race and siphon votes from Bernie.
But I disagree about the DNC. They most certainly DID have a hand in this.
I could see the possibility that they did with her. Either that or Biden offered her a cabinet post too in order to stay in.
I think with Pete and Amy it was probably more or less just conversations with the Biden camp.
Is it really a hit job if Bernie receives less votes? Just because the moderate voters aren't splitting their votes any longer to help out Bernie doesn't mean that he ever had the majority.
It would seem rather odd that two people, one likely ahead of Biden and the other not far behind, would both drop a day ahead of Super Tuesday and then ENDORSE Biden at the same time...
I realize you don't want to imagine the scenario where the DNC did in fact orchestrate this, but it seems pretty far-fetched that both would decide to drop while Warren (who is even less viable) decides to stay in. I mean, the only thing missing is Bloomberg also announcing that he's out of the race and "endorsing" Biden...
Had a handful of Republicans in 2016 done what Pete and Amy did, Trump would be running a cable news channel right now instead of the USA.
If you watched " Race for the White House " episode 2 on CNN Saturday, you would would understand just how crooked and power hungry these people are and how they ruined any chance Carter had at re election. Did you know that a copy of Carter's debate answers were stolen by a Kennedy insider and given to the Reagan's team before the debate? They all considered JC a rube, hick and intellectual lightweight. They torpedoed JC even after he won the nomination. Many D's were on record saying they were willing to risk a 4 year collapse of America, if it meant Teddy would win in '84...
I look at it this way. If the candidate I intended to vote for in the primary drops out prior to my state's primary, IDGAF who they endorse at that point, it has zero effect on what other candidate I eventually settle on as an alternative. I find it hard to believe that people will follow the endorsements of these candidates as they fall away. I hope people would think for themselves and settle on their best fit at that point, but sheeple are gonna sheeple I guess.
Bernie has a solid core, but limited appeal to the bulk of Dems. This isn't a plot.
Assuming BIden wins the nomination, it will be important in how Bernie is handled. Already today we saw clips of Bernie going full Trump in claiming there is a plot against him. That is stupid.
An appropriate envoy will have to be dispatched to Bernie's camp to carefully guide him to quickly fall into line. Two things would happen here. A person with gravitas would privately tell Bernie,Do you really want your obituary to read, "Helped elect Donald Trump president, Twice"? And, there would be a promise of a cabinet posting or two, possibly even a Bernie person who is palatable to voters of Florida as the VP.
Assuming BIden wins the nomination, it will be important in how Bernie is handled. Already today we saw clips of Bernie going full Trump in claiming there is a plot against him. That is stupid.
An appropriate envoy will have to be dispatched to Bernie's camp to carefully guide him to quickly fall into line. Two things would happen here. A person with gravitas would privately tell Bernie,Do you really want your obituary to read, "Helped elect Donald Trump president, Twice"? And, there would be a promise of a cabinet posting or two, possibly even a Bernie person who is palatable to voters of Florida as the VP.
The most intriguing thing to me is what happens with Bloomberg come Wednesday. And was Warren being truthful in saying she's in the race til the convention? Bloomberg has the $$$, but I doubt Warren will.
The Dems really can't afford to alienate Bernie supporters if Biden is the nominee. And while I think Dems will rally around whomever the guy is just to defeat Trump...my fear is that Bernie can't carry the down ticket Dems as well as Biden probably can.
Bottom line... Trump needs to be gone and the Senate needs to go "Blue".
The Dems really can't afford to alienate Bernie supporters if Biden is the nominee. And while I think Dems will rally around whomever the guy is just to defeat Trump...my fear is that Bernie can't carry the down ticket Dems as well as Biden probably can.
Bottom line... Trump needs to be gone and the Senate needs to go "Blue".
Seems fairly obvious to me and a lot of other people. Since winning New Hampshire and Nevada, all the talk about Sanders was that the only way establishment Dems could beat him would be to convince several of the moderate candidates to drop out and rally around one remaining moderate. But no one seemed willing to drop out.
Now, after campaigning for a year, Pete and Amy both drop out just hours before Super Tuesday and throw their full support behind Biden. I've seen plenty of candidates drop out after a poor showing on Super Tuesday. I can't recall ever seeing two candidates drop out shortly before Super Tuesday. You can't possibly think that's just coincidence or that they weren't enticed in some way.
Hell, Pete even flew to Texas to join Biden at a campaign rally where Biden said Pete reminds him of his late son. That's a pretty remarkable 180 for those two within a very short period of time.
Why would you pick Biden over Trump. I love booming economies. Democratic proposals will kill the economy.
But why does everybody claim it's the DNC? I think it's pretty obvious somebody coordinated this, but that doesn't mean it was the DNC.
I don't think it is the DNC, partially because I don't think the DNC has all that much to offer. A potential future president can offer a vice presidential nomination and if they win, important cabinet posts. For someone who wants to be president in the future, that's a lot more valuable.
Shoot even Warren could be staying in it in part because of a potential cabinet post.
I'm not ruling out that the DNC took action here, but the problem you have to ask yourself is what can the DNC offer to a person who is aspiring for higher office? A spot on the DNC isn't what they are looking for, nor does it do anything to help them get there. They basically just sit on the DNC and languish into obscurity while other people who make news get to run for president.
And I would note that the next 4 years are going to be a particularly valuable time for Democrats to remain in the news because there is a good chance Biden only serves one term.
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If the DNC was savvy enough to pick a candidate, we wouldn't be looking at the likelihood of a near 80 white male as the nominee.
Obama played a part. Perhaps Bernie should learn that trying to burn down someone else's house isn't going to make you make many friends within that house.
Biden is generic. Voting for him keeps things like they are for 8 years.
it puts the free everything crowd in a vault for 8 years.
