The F-ing Catalina LOI mixup

[Curt Furence]

Looks like the Clones have a mess on their hands with their last commit.(edit: He is a grad transfer) Guy has a Twitter page all about Iowa State and says he committed until someone else with a better fit comes.

He just got offered by a handful of other schools and is retweeting his brother's tweets with all the new offers.

 

[thewop]

Wow, ISU has little chance of keeping this guy. Offers from Auburn, Georgia, Penn State, Texas A&M, among others.

 

[Herkmeister]

Another blow for Coach Campbell. Every coach gets them, Kirk too. But this does give me some pleasure.

 

[SigMaintHawk]

He signed a financial aid agreement to attend ISU in mid Dec....He can go and sign up with anyone he wants. Think he took a visit to Florida last weekend...

 

[Scherrman]

Clones are gonna Clone.

 

[IAGuy]

 

[Lone Clone]

Uh......yes, it looks like we almost stole a prize and aren't going to seal the deal. But it isn't like, for instance, losing Lazard would have been or some other highly recruited kid. By all accounts, the new staff has done a hell of a job, period, and especially in light of the time they had to recruit.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

Uh......yes, it looks like we almost stole a prize and aren't going to seal the deal. But it isn't like, for instance, losing Lazard would have been or some other highly recruited kid. By all accounts, the new staff has done a hell of a job, period, and especially in light of the time they had to recruit.

I get the whole "connections" thing but I still shake my head when I see Lazard on the field and wonder how frustrated he is and if he wishes he was wearing a different uniform. The kid has skills way better than that program is currently. Seriously not trying to poke--he is just a very good player and will suffer on a .333 team until he's done.

 

[David1979]

That is embarrassing that they tweeted out he was going to ISU and then he had to correct them that he is still deciding.
Also amazing is how fast the cyclone fans buy into hype of the new coach and recruiting. I don't get it.

 

[Scherrman]

I thought I saw a quote from him that said he was committed to ISU until a better offer comes along. That doesn't sound real confident.

 

[Lone Clone]

I get the whole "connections" thing but I still shake my head when I see Lazard on the field and wonder how frustrated he is and if he wishes he was wearing a different uniform. The kid has skills way better than that program is currently. Seriously not trying to poke--he is just a very good player and will suffer on a .333 team until he's done.

I've seen nothing whatever to indicate he regrets his choice, and a number of things to the contrary. But I haven't seen much to indicate anything either way since the people who recruited him were fired.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I've seen nothing whatever to indicate he regrets his choice, and a number of things to the contrary. But I haven't seen much to indicate anything either way since the people who recruited him were fired.

True, and there is certainly something to be said for being happy where you're at, and if he is then super. It's not like a great player can't move on to the next level from any school, but sorta like watching Barry Sanders play for bad Detroit teams (and no, I'm not saying AL is as good as BS).

 

[AlanAldaClone]

That is embarrassing that they tweeted out he was going to ISU and then he had to correct them that he is still deciding.
Also amazing is how fast the cyclone fans buy into hype of the new coach and recruiting. I don't get it.

The reason we're "buying in" is because this staff in 2 short months pulled in a higher ranked recruiting class than the previous staff did in seven years. But rankings aside, nearly every one of ISU's commits had other P-5 and numerous mid-major options, which is also a far cry from what the previous staff was recruiting. The previous staff got guys with no other offers or one or two offers, usually from Wyoming and a directional school.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

The reason we're "buying in" is because this staff in 2 short months pulled in a higher ranked recruiting class than the previous staff did in seven years. But rankings aside, nearly every one of ISU's commits had other P-5 and numerous mid-major options, which is also a far cry from what the previous staff was recruiting. The previous staff got guys with no other offers or one or two offers, usually from Wyoming and a directional school.

I think what MC was able to accomplish recruiting-wise was very impressive. With that said, he has yet to coach a game at ISU. He needs to be given at least 2-3 years before a fair or realistic evaluation can be made. Often times, when a young and supposedly up and coming coach takes a job at a P5 conference it will generate a lot of initial excitement recruiting-wise (see Steve Alford).

 

[AlanAldaClone]

I think what MC was able to accomplish recruiting-wise was very impressive. With that said, he has yet to coach a game at ISU. He needs to be given at least 2-3 years before a fair or realistic evaluation can be made. Often times, when a young and supposedly up and coming coach takes a job at a P5 conference it will generate a lot of initial excitement recruiting-wise (see Steve Alford).

I agree completely. But the initial sample has provided ample reason to be optimistic. This staff is young and eager and able to generate buzz just from their energy. It's a completely different vibe than the previous staff.

 

[5Fan5]

I agree completely. But the initial sample has provided ample reason to be optimistic. This staff is young and eager and able to generate buzz just from their energy. It's a completely different vibe than the previous staff.

Or, it is closer to the same... all depending on the perspective.

If you truly believe that this mantra was not heard for Paul Rhoads and yes, even for Gene Chizik, then you are simply denying reality. We heard all about the national recruiting with "pipelines" to Texas, Florida and even out west that was going to put isu on a whole new level of performance. When things did not improve dramatically (or even sustain the modest improvements in Rhoads first few years) it was because of injuries, attrition, officiating, scheduling.... the list went on and on.

Rarely, if ever (until now), was the poor performance attributed to lack of energy (' so proud') or recruiting.

 

[WhiteSoxClone]

Also amazing is how fast the cyclone fans buy into hype of the new coach and recruiting. I don't get it.

Yeah, I know it. I can't believe that sports fans want to be optimistic. Where's the fun in that?

 

[David1979]

The class is ranked higher because they have 28 or 29 recruits based on which site you look at. If you look at the actual avg on Rivals its like 2.58 or something and they have had classes better than that. there are like 13 or 14 2 stars in the class. which again proves my point that there it's not really that impressive and all the excitement is illogical.

 

[WhiteSoxClone]

The class is ranked higher because they have 28 or 29 recruits based on which site you look at. If you look at the actual avg on Rivals its like 2.58 or something and they have had classes better than that. there are like 13 or 14 2 stars in the class. which again proves my point that there it's not really that impressive and all the excitement is illogical.

I understand your point and agree it needs to be taken into consideration. However, I also don't think averages gives a fair picture either. You can only play 11 guys on the field at a time, so getting more 3 stars means you have more higher rated guys competing to fill those 11 positions, and then among the 2 stars you're just hoping for a few diamonds in the rough. I'd much rather have a class of 28 with 14 three stars and 14 two stars, than a class of 22 with 11 three stars and 11 two stars. The average might be the same, but the first has 3 more guys in it that are expected to compete for spots while in the program.

I mainly think that the optimism comes from how well they did compared to the amount of time they had. I completely understand why Hawk fans would be skeptical. But I also think any reasonable Hawk fan should also understand why Clone fans might choose to be optimistic.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I agree completely. But the initial sample has provided ample reason to be optimistic. This staff is young and eager and able to generate buzz just from their energy. It's a completely different vibe than the previous staff.

That's what clones fans said when Rhoads came in after chizik and they said same thing about chizik after coming in for McCarney. And I'm sure after Campbell they'll say the same thing for the next coach.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

The class is ranked higher because they have 28 or 29 recruits based on which site you look at. If you look at the actual avg on Rivals its like 2.58 or something and they have had classes better than that. there are like 13 or 14 2 stars in the class. which again proves my point that there it's not really that impressive and all the excitement is illogical.

Given the circumstances I think Campbell and staff did a good job.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I understand your point and agree it needs to be taken into consideration. However, I also don't think averages gives a fair picture either. You can only play 11 guys on the field at a time, so getting more 3 stars means you have more higher rated guys competing to fill those 11 positions, and then among the 2 stars you're just hoping for a few diamonds in the rough. I'd much rather have a class of 28 with 14 three stars and 14 two stars, than a class of 22 with 11 three stars and 11 two stars. The average might be the same, but the first has 3 more guys in it that are expected to compete for spots while in the program.

I mainly think that the optimism comes from how well they did compared to the amount of time they had. I completely understand why Hawk fans would be skeptical. But I also think any reasonable Hawk fan should also understand why Clone fans might choose to be optimistic.

At this point, why not be optimistic? It's hard to fathom things getting much worse with the Iowa State football program (and I don't mean that in a wry, derogatory sense). My personal opinion of Iowa State is that the talent was there this last season. Unfortunately, there has been a culture of losing the past few years, and that culture was clearly evident late in games this last season. Frankly, I think you put a lot of that on the coaching staff.

 

[eyeohuh]

ISU did a good job with the situation this staff was dealt. But they are constantly bringing up recruiting rankings which are typically going to be misleading when you have a huge class with 29 commits

 

[ANYCHawk]

 

[SigMaintHawk]

ISU did a good job with the situation this staff was dealt. But they are constantly bringing up recruiting rankings which are typically going to be misleading when you have a huge class with 29 commits

They take the highest 20 amongst the total number to figure out their ranking...They could have signed 47 players...the top 20 are all that actually matters....

 

[eyeohuh]

They take the highest 20 amongst the total number to figure out their ranking...They could have signed 47 players...the top 20 are all that actually matters....

is that for every service or just some

 

[SigMaintHawk]

MC and his staff had 23 total days where they could go wheels up with their little cropduster of a plane or be on the ground, face to face with prospects.. The day he was hired one site had their class at the time ranked 85th with around 9-10 verbals...Up until after the first week of Jan, they were 3 coaches short...He also lost his original hire at OC around a week after taking the job.. Schools that had established coaches and had some recent decent teams like Georgia Tech, Kanasas State, Cincy, and Boston College, finished a decent ways behind them in the rankings. Teams with new established HC's and a "better name" like Virginia, also finished behind them.. When Rhoades took over from Chizek...the best he could do in his initial class was 74th.. Considering MC came to a complete turd of a program and was able to sign 29 athletes along with bringing in 2 former 3 star players(transfers) including a nationally rated corner that started as a true freshman at NC State, I'd say he did a decent job. Nobody would have expected ISU to finish above the 65 mark in the middle of November with the dumpster fire of a coaching staff PR had at the time...

 

[SigMaintHawk]

is that for every service or just some

The site you are posting on....I don't know what the others use as a criteria...I think Rivals might have them rated the worst of the other 3-4 services? Scout had them in the 45-50 range at 1 time, I think. I didn't look at any other service.

 

[ih8iast8]

Uh......yes, it looks like we almost stole a prize and aren't going to seal the deal. But it isn't like, for instance, losing Lazard would have been or some other highly recruited kid. By all accounts, the new staff has done a hell of a job, period, and especially in light of the time they had to recruit.

Who the f$&k cares if you lost Lazard? You have terrible QB's & no offense to utilize his talents. Talk about a kid that flushed a potential career down the toilet by playing for the Clowns. I am sure there will be a seed corn company dying to hire him as a salesman when his college career is over.

 

[eyeohuh]

The site you are posting on....I don't know what the others use as a criteria...I think Rivals might have them rated the worst of the other 3-4 services? Scout had them in the 45-50 range at 1 time, I think. I didn't look at any other service.

Yeah I don't use rivals but thanks for letting me know. Was not aware of that but it makes sense and would not be surprised if other services use that too

 

[IamHawkeye]

Looks like the Clones have a mess on their hands with their last commit.(edit: He is a grad transfer) Guy has a Twitter page all about Iowa State and says he committed until someone else with a better fit comes.

He just got offered by a handful of other schools and is retweeting his brother's tweets with all the new offers.

Why would anyone want someone who did that? Oh, I know, his talent, but this is what's wrong with some college athletes. Anyway, what happened to the stipulation that grad transfers had to find a school that offers grad courses not available in the prior school?

 

[Lone Clone]

That's what clones fans said when Rhoads came in after chizik and they said same thing about chizik after coming in for McCarney. And I'm sure after Campbell they'll say the same thing for the next coach.

And Hawkeye fans said the same thing when Lauterbur was hired. Fans gotta be fans.

 

[Lone Clone]

At this point, why not be optimistic? It's hard to fathom things getting much worse with the Iowa State football program (and I don't mean that in a wry, derogatory sense). My personal opinion of Iowa State is that the talent was there this last season. Unfortunately, there has been a culture of losing the past few years, and that culture was clearly evident late in games this last season. Frankly, I think you put a lot of that on the coaching staff.

And as much as posters here love to do it, you can't ignore the schedule.

Unfortunately, I have been an ISU fan longn enough to know that things definitely can get worse, because things have been worse.

 

[5Fan5]

And Hawkeye fans said the same thing when Lauterbur was hired. Fans gotta be fans.

For the record, Lauterbur was hired/coached Iowa from 1971 to 1973.

Is your lame reference here to preempt a coach today coming from the MAC into a major college program not being able to do very well? Or, are you so desperate and obsessed with Iowa that you fell the need to go back over four decades to try to find something similar to what isu has experienced over the past two coaching hires?

LC just gotta be LC.

 

[HawkLogic]

I don't like losing to ISU, but I don't root against them. Every once in awhile, they have a decent year or two...so who is to say this new coach doesn't get something going. A few years back when ISU beat Iowa, I looked at their roster and there really wasn't a big difference in talent level...those were the Vandenberg QB'ed teams...not very good Iowa teams.

When you recruit 3star players like Iowa does, you are not far from a downturn if they don't pan out. At least Iowa has lock on most top instate kids, ISU doesn't even have that going for them.

Sucks to be a clone fan, but you get born into it, like being a serf in middle ages.

 

[millhawk]

And as much as posters here love to do it, you can't ignore the schedule.

Unfortunately, I have been an ISU fan longn enough to know that things definitely can get worse, because things have been worse.

Schedule? Explain to me the big 12's losing record in bowl games the last 2 years.

 

[Oldgold51]

One way to round up a recruiting class quickly is to poach the recruits your past employer paid you to recruit. Whatever. But, I doubt marginal 3s and high 2 MAC types (slow) are going to do much in the Texas League. Perhaps, Knute will be the exception, if he is, he will be gone like the morning dew.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

And as much as posters here love to do it, you can't ignore the schedule.

Unfortunately, I have been an ISU fan longn enough to know that things definitely can get worse, because things have been worse.

Isu schedule is tough only because like Purdue and Indiana in big 10 is they are so bad everyone is better. So those easy teams they get to play they are that team along with Kansas.

 

[Lone Clone]

Isu schedule is tough only because like Purdue and Indiana in big 10 is they are so bad everyone is better. So those easy teams they get to play they are that team along with Kansas.

That post displays a total ignorance of SOS. Seriously. You should at least have some idea of what you're talking about before you talk about it.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

That post displays a total ignorance of SOS. Seriously. You should at least have some idea of what you're talking about before you talk about it.

Blah blah blah isu schedule arguement. Wow that's a new one haven't heard a clone fan gripe about or bring up here. Great they have a stronger SOS. But again it's harder because every team minus Kansas is ranked ahead of them. Maybe it wouldn't be as tough if they were playing more teams like, well themselves.