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The F-ing Catalina LOI mixup

Schedule? Explain to me the big 12's losing record in bowl games the last 2 years.
What does the Big XII's bowl record have to do with my post? ISU played one of the toughest schedules in the country, according to all the generally accepted rating services.

Should I ridicule the Big Ten because its two best teams got humiliated in their bowls?
 
Blah blah blah isu schedule arguement. Wow that's a new one haven't heard a clone fan gripe about or bring up here. Great they have a stronger SOS. But again it's harder because every team minus Kansas is ranked ahead of them.
You don't understand SOS. It has nothing to do with the quality of the team in question.

If Alabama had played Iowa State's schedule, the SOS would have been essentially the same. I said "essentially" because trading a win over ISU for a loss to Alabama might have had a slight impact on the power ratings of the opponents.
 
End of the day isu schedule doesn't hide the fact they aren't a good football team especially last 3-4 years.
 
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Of course the Clone fans should be optimistic. Why not? But recent history tells us that the new coach gets a ton of fanfare, fan enthusiasm over someone new and different, and poor results on the field. Campbell will likely have a small upswing to begin with and will either sink back to the depths, or get to 7 or 8 wins and take a better job.
 
You don't understand SOS. It has nothing to do with the quality of the team in question.

If Alabama had played Iowa State's schedule, the SOS would have been essentially the same. I said "essentially" because trading a win over ISU for a loss to Alabama might have had a slight impact on the power ratings of the opponents.
I think we all understand what you are saying, but the point the poster is making is: When the worst team in the conference plays out their schedule it is slightly better because they do not have to play the worst team in the conference each year (themselves) therefore a team like Bama would have a slightly worse schedule because they do not get to play themselves.
Also it must be noted that the Big 12's strength of schedule i slightly inflated due to the horrible non conference schedule by most of the best teams in the conference. Therefore the only loses in the Big12 is in conference play and of course in bowl games when they actually have to match up with similar rated teams from other (better conferences). It also should be noted that the Big 10 year end and year out plays the toughest Bowl Schedule and no doubt the last 2 years a tougher schedule than the Big 12....you see that happens when you send a team to the playoffs and the other teams in conference bump up one place in the competition. Just to bring some objectively to my argument, here are the non-conference schedules from Big 12 "top teams" from this year (geeze and Iowa got criticized for schedule):

Oklahoma State: Central Michigan, Central Arkansas, and UTSA
Baylor: SMU, Lamar, and Rice
TCU: Minnesota (Sub .500 Big10 team), Stephen F. Austin, SMU
Oklahoma: Akron, Tulsa, and Tennessee (not bad but not great SEC team)
 
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Who the f$&k cares if you lost Lazard? You have terrible QB's & no offense to utilize his talents. Talk about a kid that flushed a potential career down the toilet by playing for the Clowns. I am sure there will be a seed corn company dying to hire him as a salesman when his college career is over.
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213525

They added another new QB....from the worst team in the pac 12.
They seem pretty excited lol.
 
I think we all understand what you are saying, but the point the poster is making is: When the worst team in the conference plays out their schedule it is slightly better because they do not have to play the worst team in the conference each year (themselves) therefore a team like Bama would have a slightly worse schedule because they do not get to play themselves.
Also it must be noted that the Big 12's strength of schedule i slightly inflated due to the horrible non conference schedule by most of the best teams in the conference. Therefore the only loses in the Big12 is in conference play and of course in bowl games when they actually have to match up with similar rated teams from other (better conferences). It also should be noted that the Big 10 year end and year out plays the toughest Bowl Schedule and no doubt the last 2 years a tougher schedule than the Big 12....you see that happens when you send a team to the playoffs and the other teams in conference bump up one place in the competition. Just to bring some objectively to my argument, here are the non-conference schedules from Big 12 "top teams" from this year (geeze and Iowa got criticized for schedule):

Oklahoma State: Central Michigan, Central Arkansas, and UTSA
Baylor: SMU, Lamar, and Rice
TCU: Minnesota (Sub .500 Big10 team), Stephen F. Austin, SMU
Oklahoma: Akron, Tulsa, and Tennessee (not bad but not great SEC team)
Well, yes and no. Usually the Big Ten is overmatched in bowl games; this year it was not, but the Big XII was. I'm assuming we're talking about rankings and relative position in respective conferences.

You are correct that several Big XII teams played indefensibly weak non-conference schedules. ISU was not one of them.

We don't disagree about the SOS remarks. I was responding to one of those posters who thinks SOS refers to how much better the opponents are than the team in question, not how good the opposition is, period.

I originally mentioned SOS because this year's ISU team would probably have gone to a bowl game if it had played an ISU schedule from some of the years when Mac was coaching (I'm not going to mention Iowa's schedule because that is irrelevant). This year's team really wasn't all that horrible. In four of the losses, ISU was tied or ahead in the final four minutes.
 
Who the f$&k cares if you lost Lazard? You have terrible QB's & no offense to utilize his talents. Talk about a kid that flushed a potential career down the toilet by playing for the Clowns. I am sure there will be a seed corn company dying to hire him as a salesman when his college career is over.

He had 808 yards and 6 touchdowns as a sophomore. I think he was utilized pretty well.

ISU also threw for 226 yds/ game with 18 TD passes. Iowa threw for 204 yds/ game with 17 TD passes (also played 2 more games.) So I guess going to Iowa is a horrible choice for any wide receiver too?
 
Blah blah blah isu schedule arguement. Wow that's a new one haven't heard a clone fan gripe about or bring up here. Great they have a stronger SOS. But again it's harder because every team minus Kansas is ranked ahead of them. Maybe it wouldn't be as tough if they were playing more teams like, well themselves.
I guess they would have to join the MAC, but then again, they would still be looking at a higher SOS since many MAC teams would rank higher then them. :)
 
He had 808 yards and 6 touchdowns as a sophomore. I think he was utilized pretty well.

ISU also threw for 226 yds/ game with 18 TD passes. Iowa threw for 204 yds/ game with 17 TD passes (also played 2 more games.) So I guess going to Iowa is a horrible choice for any wide receiver too?

3 wins...only stat that matters. This isn't fantasy football.
 
He had 808 yards and 6 touchdowns as a sophomore. I think he was utilized pretty well.

ISU also threw for 226 yds/ game with 18 TD passes. Iowa threw for 204 yds/ game with 17 TD passes (also played 2 more games.) So I guess going to Iowa is a horrible choice for any wide receiver too?


On the surface, some might consider that a worthy performance. However, the big xii is a league that did not and has not featured good pass defense.

Much more difficult to amass stats (ypg, receptions, TDs) in a conference that has a semblance of an idea of how to capably defend the pass.
 
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He had 808 yards and 6 touchdowns as a sophomore. I think he was utilized pretty well.

ISU also threw for 226 yds/ game with 18 TD passes. Iowa threw for 204 yds/ game with 17 TD passes (also played 2 more games.) So I guess going to Iowa is a horrible choice for any wide receiver too?

Well if a WR wants to play in New Years bowl game they go to Iowa and not little bro isu.

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