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I have four parcels of family farmland ranging from 80 acres to 320 acres located iin Benton, Poweshiek and Tama counties. I have been fearful for some time that the tenants renting this dirt would give me notice they are terminating here in August before the September 1st deadline. All of this ground is leased at about the 85th percentile range or so for cash rents for the CSR rating of the dirt. So I'm not sqeezing them that hard. I structure all of these leases to pay half of the rent on March 1 and the second half on September 1. In 2023 the worst piece, the 80, produced a 201 bpa of corn. The best piece , a 160, turned out 239 bpa for corn....so these are not bad parcels

Today the first Termination Notice arrived together with a tearful and angst filled letter describing just how tough it is to be a corn/bean grower in this modern era....he wants me to lower his rent, but he still wants to farm it.

Granted, I can see the storm cloulds gathering for agriculture. But ,why do these guys always expect someone else to shoulder their load?
 
I have four parcels of family farmland ranging from 80 acres to 320 acres located iin Benton, Poweshiek and Tama counties. I have been fearful for some time that the tenants renting this dirt would give me notice they are terminating here in August before the September 1st deadline. All of this ground is leased at about the 85th percentile range or so for cash rents for the CSR rating of the dirt. So I'm not sqeezing them that hard. I structure all of these leases to pay half of the rent on March 1 and the second half on September 1. In 2023 the worst piece, the 80, produced a 201 bpa of corn. The best piece , a 160, turned out 239 bpa for corn....so these are not bad parcels

Today the first Termination Notice arrived together with a tearful and angst filled letter describing just how tough it is to be a corn/bean grower in this modern era....he wants me to lower his rent, but he still wants to farm it.

Granted, I can see the storm cloulds gathering for agriculture. But ,why do these guys always expect someone else to shoulder their load?
Anyone who is high leveraged is going to struggle. Even still, the yields this year should be crazy high as long as no major wind damage or hail damage. Our area has enough moisture now to finish out the season. The issue is whether you can find another tenant to fill his spot or not. If I were in his position, I would have talked with you to lower the rent before sending a termination notice. I am not deep in that world, but it seems communication would be better in that situation. Here you can terminate and move on and he has no recourse.
 
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I think this is where your hired guns go out and burn down their fields and kill their favorite horse.

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I have four parcels of family farmland ranging from 80 acres to 320 acres located iin Benton, Poweshiek and Tama counties. I have been fearful for some time that the tenants renting this dirt would give me notice they are terminating here in August before the September 1st deadline. All of this ground is leased at about the 85th percentile range or so for cash rents for the CSR rating of the dirt. So I'm not sqeezing them that hard. I structure all of these leases to pay half of the rent on March 1 and the second half on September 1. In 2023 the worst piece, the 80, produced a 201 bpa of corn. The best piece , a 160, turned out 239 bpa for corn....so these are not bad parcels

Today the first Termination Notice arrived together with a tearful and angst filled letter describing just how tough it is to be a corn/bean grower in this modern era....he wants me to lower his rent, but he still wants to farm it.

Granted, I can see the storm cloulds gathering for agriculture. But ,why do these guys always expect someone else to shoulder their load?
I’m confused. Are you crying that you have a bunch of land to rent out? It would really suck if all you did was inherit that land.

Is it better if it is a non farmer looking for someone else to help them shoulder the load?
Not saying farmers don’t get a lot of benefits but I believe one party wants to give handouts to everyone, like blacks because they had ancestors that were once slaves.
 
I have four parcels of family farmland ranging from 80 acres to 320 acres located iin Benton, Poweshiek and Tama counties. I have been fearful for some time that the tenants renting this dirt would give me notice they are terminating here in August before the September 1st deadline. All of this ground is leased at about the 85th percentile range or so for cash rents for the CSR rating of the dirt. So I'm not sqeezing them that hard. I structure all of these leases to pay half of the rent on March 1 and the second half on September 1. In 2023 the worst piece, the 80, produced a 201 bpa of corn. The best piece , a 160, turned out 239 bpa for corn....so these are not bad parcels

Today the first Termination Notice arrived together with a tearful and angst filled letter describing just how tough it is to be a corn/bean grower in this modern era....he wants me to lower his rent, but he still wants to farm it.

Granted, I can see the storm cloulds gathering for agriculture. But ,why do these guys always expect someone else to shoulder their load?
They like THEIR socialism?
 
Any CRP programs available to opt into? Especially if corn/bean prices are down and your potential rent is decreased. You could have the guaranteed income of CRP (albeit probably less than what you would get in rent), but not have all the hassle of dealing with renters.

Then you could allow OV to pheasant hunt it also. Win win for everyone.
 
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I have four parcels of family farmland ranging from 80 acres to 320 acres located iin Benton, Poweshiek and Tama counties. I have been fearful for some time that the tenants renting this dirt would give me notice they are terminating here in August before the September 1st deadline. All of this ground is leased at about the 85th percentile range or so for cash rents for the CSR rating of the dirt. So I'm not sqeezing them that hard. I structure all of these leases to pay half of the rent on March 1 and the second half on September 1. In 2023 the worst piece, the 80, produced a 201 bpa of corn. The best piece , a 160, turned out 239 bpa for corn....so these are not bad parcels

Today the first Termination Notice arrived together with a tearful and angst filled letter describing just how tough it is to be a corn/bean grower in this modern era....he wants me to lower his rent, but he still wants to farm it.

Granted, I can see the storm cloulds gathering for agriculture. But ,why do these guys always expect someone else to shoulder their load?
If it is income you rely on, I see your point. If it is extra gravy, why not negotiate a lower rent during the downturn with the understanding once things get better, rent goes up?

Also, what is the average yield per acre for corn and beans in Iowa?
 
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Any CRP programs available to opt into? Especially if corn/bean prices are down and your potential rent is decreased. You could have the guaranteed income of CRP (albeit probably less than what you would get in rent), but not have all the hassle of dealing with renters.

Then you could allow OV to pheasant hunt it also. Win win for everyone.
CRP lease rates are significantly lower than cash rents for productive land.
 
I doubt there will be an issue finding another renter.

Without knowing all the details on this specific "renter", I would negotiate a somewhat lower number.

Good luck. This is a short term problem, but I suspect once word gets out that you did negotiate, you'll be obliged to do it for all the parcels.
 
Do you have some neighbors renting you can talk with? Maybe get an idea of if they are hearing same thing from their renters, or if your renter’s struggles are isolated to him alone, for the most par?. Chances are if he is, he won’t find lower rents in the area as other renters are likely trying to get their leases locked up right now if they haven’t already.

I was in eastern Iowa this weekend driving around rural areas and it looks like it should be incredibly great yields in that part of the state for 2024.
 
If it was 1985, yes.
I was thinking more in the short term. Dad shared his land till he died. Yes he could have made more cash rent but wanted to be able to still "play" farmer which included some of the risk taking. After he died we shared one season, cash rented it one, and then sold it.
 
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I have four parcels of family farmland ranging from 80 acres to 320 acres located iin Benton, Poweshiek and Tama counties. I have been fearful for some time that the tenants renting this dirt would give me notice they are terminating here in August before the September 1st deadline. All of this ground is leased at about the 85th percentile range or so for cash rents for the CSR rating of the dirt. So I'm not sqeezing them that hard. I structure all of these leases to pay half of the rent on March 1 and the second half on September 1. In 2023 the worst piece, the 80, produced a 201 bpa of corn. The best piece , a 160, turned out 239 bpa for corn....so these are not bad parcels

Today the first Termination Notice arrived together with a tearful and angst filled letter describing just how tough it is to be a corn/bean grower in this modern era....he wants me to lower his rent, but he still wants to farm it.

Granted, I can see the storm cloulds gathering for agriculture. But ,why do these guys always expect someone else to shoulder their load?
Did he try to negotiate the lease before sending a termination letter? Seems odd if not, because if you would have entertained a small drop in rent, there is no reason to terminate the lease. If not, I can understand getting out in front of it ahead of the 9/1 deadline. I'd say if you are in the top 85th percentile, as you noted, that is a pretty good squeeze on them with the markets where they are, and inputs certainly not following suit.

I guess we take a different approach, which has kept our rents below market average. We do a flex lease of sorts, though nothing is written on paper that way. We end up writing rather large per acre bonus checks on the good years, which in turn, has allowed our landlords to trust that when we make extra money, so will they, instead of chasing the land market all to hell (which never plays out well for the farmer).

You mentioned share crop not being something you'd be interested in, but I think you'd be surprised by the amount of crop that is still share cropped. We've got 400 acres of a 50/50 share crop yet, which has been mutually beneficial to ourselves and our landlord. Also, in my line of business, I've seen share crops of 25/75 (essentially custom farming, farmer doesn't pay for any of the inputs, but gets 25% of the crop for their work), and 60/40 in favor of the landlord. Also worked through a lot of flex leases based on crop insurance prices, which is a way to lower the base rent, but still allow for some upside for the land owner.

If they are a good tenant, why not be open to the conversation and get their side? You also made note of expecting someone to shoulder their load, but what option do they have? Would you stay in business long knowing you are going to lose "x" per acre? Or would you do the prudent thing, and try to lower your inputs, and land rent being the top one. I'm certain it wouldn't take you long to find someone willing to pay what they were paying, or more than they were paying though. It's the Ag world we live in, where instead of looking at the bottom line, they want to farm the world and hope they hit a homerun, until the bank says their run is done.

Good luck though, it's hard to find good tenants that care about the land, fertilize well, and try to grow the best crop they can on land that isn't theirs. We actually turned down several hundred new rented acres a few years ago because we knew the prior farmer didn't fertilize worth a shit, and we didn't want to pay the higher rent cost, and have yield deficiencies due to the previous tenant. Bottom line has to come into play at some point, and it looks like it's going to again for the next couple of years.
 
Why not just sell it?
Because it’s more fun to complain about making money each year on land that you inherited. While at the same time bashing farmers even though they are the ones providing the extra income. What’s really stupid is most of the time people who inherited the land won’t sell it meaning farmers have to pay more to rent the land compared to what it would cost if they were able to purchase the land.
 
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Maybe this is a sign bean and corn prices have bottomed or are near a bottom.
 
Because it’s more fun to complain about making money each year on land that you inherited. While at the same time bashing farmers even though they are the ones providing the extra income. What’s really stupid is most of the time people who inherited land won’t sell it meaning farmers have to pay more to rent the land compared to what it would cost if they were able to purchase the land.
Have you checked out what farm land is selling for these days?
 
I'm be interested to know what a reasonable "renegotiation" might be?
And obviously sets a perilous precedent for future years.

10%, 15%??
Any rumors on next year's input costs?
 
Because it’s more fun to complain about making money each year on land that you inherited. While at the same time bashing farmers even though they are the ones providing the extra income. What’s really stupid is most of the time people who inherited the land won’t sell it meaning farmers have to pay more to rent the land compared to what it would cost if they were able to purchase the land.

I ain’t selling to the damn Chinese!!!! ‘Merica!
 
I have four parcels of family farmland ranging from 80 acres to 320 acres located iin Benton, Poweshiek and Tama counties. I have been fearful for some time that the tenants renting this dirt would give me notice they are terminating here in August before the September 1st deadline. All of this ground is leased at about the 85th percentile range or so for cash rents for the CSR rating of the dirt. So I'm not sqeezing them that hard. I structure all of these leases to pay half of the rent on March 1 and the second half on September 1. In 2023 the worst piece, the 80, produced a 201 bpa of corn. The best piece , a 160, turned out 239 bpa for corn....so these are not bad parcels

Today the first Termination Notice arrived together with a tearful and angst filled letter describing just how tough it is to be a corn/bean grower in this modern era....he wants me to lower his rent, but he still wants to farm it.

Granted, I can see the storm cloulds gathering for agriculture. But ,why do these guys always expect someone else to shoulder their load?
First agenda item after the Kamala swearing-in ceremony is liquidation of the Kulaks.
 
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Have you checked out how much it costs to rent farm land? Clearly enough that the farmer in this thread said to hell with it.
Yes, I rent out my farmland. The average price per acre in Iowa is a little under $12000. A farmer paying cash rent of $300 per acre would have to rent it for 40 years before he paid $12000 an acre in rent. Also as an owner he would be paying property taxes each year on that land that he's now renting.
 
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