The Great Wall of Trump
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You're completely wrong. There are no illegal immigrants working for legitimate employers. We already solved 85% of the problem. The black market employers are who hire them, and they're exactly like the drug dealers and the gang bangers. We'll never catch them all.
Really? Thousands of dollars in fines and six months in jail isn't enough of a penalty for you?
https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/penalties
DEPORT THE ILLEGALS.
You mentioned driver licenses? Why would we give an illegal immigrant a driver license?
If you have a WORK AUTHORIZATION, then sure, you can have a driver license.
If you're on a six-week tourist visa, then you get a driver license that expires in six weeks.
Our laws are farked up. On one hand, we say that it's illegal to come here or stay here without authorization. But if you do, we'll make it as easy as possible on you (except for allowing you to work). And if you do work, we won't punish you, we'll punish your employer.
Does anyone stop and think about the mixed messages we're sending to those thinking about coming here illegally?
Tell that to Jack DeCoster and his employment contractors. They pay taxes, they get bank loans, they have a team of lawyers and they hire illegals in their poultry business.
If they're illegally hiring unauthorized workers, then they're not legitimate employers.
BTW, if you know this to be true, why don't you call in a tip to Homeland Security?
I already explained why a non worker might need to drive. Your solution is far more costly a punishment than mine. Where I enlist nongovernmental options to persuade illegals to return, you would have to set up checkpoints and interfere with all our rights and charge each of us many times more. You will need to think harder to find a less burdensome solution than the one I offered.
You said when you were in Korea you were allowed to drive. Were you there illegally?
No, part of an Army summer camp program for kids. I was a camp counselor for army brats. I drove a van from the Korean bakery where we lived to the base. I also learned to bake pecan pies and give messages from Miss Korea 2nd runner up 1988.
Okay, so you were in fact a worker.
So why couldn't your driver license expire when your visa expired?
It may have, I can't recall. It certainly was temporary. You can't be suggesting that 11 million people will felt deport over an expired drivers license? So how will you get rid of them provided we even should? My way is benign and cost effective. Can you do better? So far you offered a far more costly and intrusive plan.
My point is that we tell them they're "illegal" and they CANNOT work, but they CAN have a driver license and they CAN enroll their kids in school and they CAN go to college and they CAN enlist in the military....
Let's focus on CAN'T and see if that makes a difference.
Yes, bad, exploitative employers should be stopped. Yes, e-verify is probably a good idea.
That's what I proposed and you called it a punishment. How is your plan different? You are willing to force local schools and DMVs to check paperwork. And what happens next? Does the school call ICE or do they just not get a desk?
They sort-of speak English. They're much better writers, but holy shit if I don't want to punch someone with an Irish accent who's lecturing me on anything (especially if they're right about whatever it is).
I am worried about ALL illegals in this country. It is a NATIONAL SECURITY problem people. I don't get the liberal-ish thinking that thinks otherwise.
It's not like this wall idea is new. Have you ever visited Italy? Most of the towns were separated by a Great Wall around Rome and other cities.
We are aware the idea is old. It was being compared to the Great Wall of China after all.
Requiring government to do the job is appropriate. Requiring private employers to do the job is tyranny.
Oh? Have thought this through? Your reality where the authorities check everyone implicit with threat of deportation for legal status is far more authoritarian than mine where private groups check with no threat of arrest. My plan is less of an infringement. How would you even go about using the state to enforce laws about not working? Would the state raid offices? Would the government take control of all hiring?
Exactly most of you on here act like it's only China that has one. Get out of the states and visit the world you poor bastards.
Your plan is NOT "less of an infringement".... Your plan regulates EVERY EMPLOYER IN THE COUNTRY to keep from offending people who could be stereotyped as illegal immigrants.
When I speak about laws against "not working" I'm being facetious. There is no law prohibiting illegal immigrants from working. The law prohibits anyone from hiring them.
Again, backasswards. Punish the illegals, not the guy who offers them a job and an income and a means to make an honest living.
And now you force the authorities to gather paperwork from all 300 million of us. Talk about a big government solution. My plan is cheap and effective. Yours is expensive and burdensome. We would be better served doing nothing than attempting your plan. Given the cheap labor implications I don't doubt that is what many cons actually want.
I'm just trying to clarify:
You are saying that a lot of illegals are using SSN numbers to get employment because of taxes, right?
Weird comparison. In theory, there are few, if any, ways to determine an individual has a gun.
There are many ways to determine whether an employer has employees working for them, even under the table.
Gun-carrying criminals don't have to file a stack of documents with the government.
I'm not sure why you think the govt couldn't catch these criminal employers, nor why it would be overly burdensome on the good ones.
Whattt?
You think these employers are all behind Home Depot with their pickups? Really?
Well, I should have kept scrolling to see this nonsensical clarification.
Yes, if you define all illegally-hiring employers as non"legitimate" then naturally all legitimate ones follow the law. What the f*** was the point of that distinction?
Well it certainly isn't tyranny, but if people, like employers, want government to verify everybody"s status, that naturally means they are ok taxing that expense...right?
Don't you think it seems a little odd that the government gets its hands on a person they would normally exile and they decide to give him a job and access to our defense instillations? It's weird.
I think that's the cost of Trump's total immigration solution. But that was before he promised to make it beautiful. The man puts gold leaf on everything. Honestly, his wife has to be a beard right? Look at this, he has to be related to Liberace.
Liberace was a Liberal.
Would Trump's be longer than all of the other walls combined?
Also, is someone on HROT opposed to the wall because it is racist?
No, it is much like our longstanding tradition of taking the malcontents who are recently charged with crimes and "give them an option" to join the military.
The military is supposed to fix them and mold them in to patriotic soldiers, right?
I can see the logic in giving a second chance to people of our own tribe we are obliged to fix. It's less clear why this should be extended to outsiders. Especially so as I don't think criminal diversion programs exist for citizens any longer. If I hire an illegal I'm breaking the law. But the government can hire them? How is that right?
Coming from you, I'm a bit surprised. First, and simplest, the government doing it is "right" because we say it is right. More complex, someone simply coming here and working for their own benefit is vastly different than coming here, enlisting, and doing their duty to represent and protect our republic, before working for their own benefit. Maybe you see the military as the same as an employer, I do not.
Really I'm surprised that you are tribal about this. If someone wants to join our military and follow through with that entails, I don't much care where they came from, and I would welcome them to stay. Now before anyone jumps on this, obviously there are still measures in place to stop Jihadi Jabar from assassinating our own, and obviously those measures fail from time to time, even within our own "tribe". I'm not calling for open casting calls to all the world, simply allowing those who are living here to join the military rather than be deported.
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