The Hawks point total record is in jeopardy.
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Just read a stat: PSU is 56-7 in ncaa tournament semifinal matches under Cael. Wow
After trying to do some very rough math with 1997 scores using today’s rules. Example 8-4 match being 4 take downs 4 escapes in today’s rules would be 12-4 thus a major decision. Iowa would have had 10 more team points in 1997. Obviously, we don’t know how points were scored but just showing how same amount of scoring moves in 1997 is less in the match score versus the new rules. Now it’s a major decision for the same amount of scoring moves
and more team points. But again, different rules, transfer portal, NIL, COVID. Not apples to apples
and more team points. But again, different rules, transfer portal, NIL, COVID. Not apples to apples
PSU would have to lose half their matches tonight to not break the record. Ain't happening. Congrats to PSU for having the best NCAA tourney team of all time.
Um that’s amazing. Good lord this is impressive. I can respect great coaching but this is undeniable the best coaching job in any sport
One is Dan Gable and the other is Cael Sanderson.
It will be called “Most Team Points in the NCAA Wrestling Tournament During the Points Inflation Era”.
Can’t compare eras without doing a bunch of math, and no one wants that. Just separate them by eras.
What? Are you even paying attention? Half that arena in KC erupted when Davis lost to Volk in the blood round. You know...that huge Wyoming fan base that showed up 😂
No. Sanderson is Saban and Dan is Bear.
One is no better than the other. One was the greatest in the OLD era and one is the greatest in the MODERN era.
Sheesh 😂
One only wanted to dominate the sport.
The other wanted to show people how it could be dominated.
Gable > Sanderson
Take your L.
Knute Rockne was awesome too! So was Joe B. Hall, and Casey Stengel, and Hank Stram
😂
playing devils advocate here....does Clark get an asterisk next to her name when it comes to the all time scoring record since Pistol Pete played with different rules/setups?.....iowa fans should tread lightly on wanting records with an asterisk
It really doesn't need an asterisk, they aren't even in the same record book. The men's book isn't going to list Clark, and the women's record isn't going to list Maravich. Clark beating a man's total isn't really a record of any kind, just people playing with numbers to make an interesting story. A Clark-Swoopes comparison might be more apt. Clark scored the most points in an NCAA tourney last year in six games, while Swoopes averaged more per game in 1993 back when the top seeds could only play five. Two different records.
Not looking good….unless Hoagie comes out wearing a “101% Satan” headband.
NCAA finals basically a come to PSU showcase and look what you can do. This team is amazing. I hate to say but but damn you can’t deny what just happened. I said it earlier in the year this is the best team im ever seen. You have to take your hat off to this squad. Dang they have some studs. Good thing they lose two four timers and three champs next year I think?
The level of talent they have is incredible! They lost a returning 3rd place finisher to an ACL injury before the season and his true freshman replacement stepped in and finished 3rd.
I know they have some studs waiting in the wings and they will have the pick of the litter in the portal, so expect another loaded PSU team next year.
Yep.... And our plan is to keep treading water and hopefully keep our ONE wrestler to the finals streak alive. As PSU gets 6+ in the finals.
PUKE
If all their COVID guys come back next year they should have a decent shot at challenging the record again considering Nagao didn't do much and Starocci got no bonus (provided the NCAA sticks with the 3 point takedown obviously). But that also blocks some of their young guys and wastes a year of their eligibility which is the big drawback for the freebie years in all sports. Then we'll see in 2026 if they finally have a year they go for five instead of punting. As good as a job recruiting as they've done that's still to be proven they could put a champion team together with a "down" team. Of course that was before NIL so they could bring in a Truex-type to fill in for one year. I'm guessing Cael wants to go for it because if we throw out 2020 as a year they didn't lose, though they obviously were going to, Cael needs another four straight to match Gable with 15 in 21 years. But the Hawks are set up pretty nice for 2026 if their recruits pan out the way we expect (and nothing from Arnold and Kueter this year made me think they won't) and Ayala and Caliendo (maybe Kennedy too when that shakes out) as seniors. And AJ Ferrari still a question mark, but won't hold my breath. Hawks could be the team with four finalists again pretty quickly.
B-I-N-G-O. The Hawk now walk away with the satisfaction that they have a finalist. Meanwhile, the lion will sleep tonight.
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He had one. I was just picking a generic score for a match where one guys gets a few takedowns but also gave up one. Someone else rescored it and it was 12-8 under the 2 point takedown rule.
And to make it even worse, the returner had taken 3rd last year after a parting of the seas for him. The replacement took 3rd by winning 7 matches in a row. That’s no fluke, he will be another Haines-like stud for years.
Stop fawning over them. (I don't give a f*** how factual any of it is........)
You're welcome.
And PSU wins the majority of those finals matches. Good job Drake for having a great tournament overall and keeping that streak alive. But Iowa hasn't had a champ not named Spencer Lee since 2017 - Cory Clark. Quickly approaching a decade. Completely unacceptable.
Meh. 1997 Iowa had more champs and the same number of finalists and all Americans.
Again, congrats to PSU on scoring the most team points in tournament history.
Again, congrats to PSU on scoring the most team points in tournament history.
Lots have rules have changed since ‘97, not just takedown points. Replay, stalling, near fall, reaction time, hands to the face, head gear throwing, gear you can wear, concussion protocol, injury time, bricks, out of bounds, hair, facial hair…Penn State broke the record
We did very quick math. Any match Iowa had in 97 that was 1-2 points from a major or tech fall we gave those higher team points to Iowa just figuring 1 of the takedowns was 3 pts. That gave Iowa 10 extra team points.
If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
Correct. And if (since) they changed the rules resulting in identical match outcomes leading to different points totals, it makes records compared across time periods obsolete/not apples to apples. Your quip just corroborates the asterisk.
So do you suppose the new scoring had anything to do with 1200+ more TF’s this year vs last year, let alone if the mentioned how many more majors there were. Do you really think the new scoring didn’t affect match scores, dual meet scores and tournament scores? I guess the PSU trolls’s aunt does have balls and is his uncle.
What's interesting, if the new scoring inflated Penn State's total, is why it had no similar effect on the teams finishing 2nd or 3rd. Cornell, in 2nd place tonight, had 72.5. In 1997, when Iowa set the record, 2nd place Oklahoma State had 113.5.
Never said it didn’t increase the scores of the other teams similarly. I will accept the teams in 2-5 were not as strong probably as 2-5 in 1997. I am not disputing the margin just how the total was accumulated using the new scoring that increased the majors and TF’s and thus team scores
