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The next GOP president won’t walk away from the Iran deal. Here’s why.

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Now that we have a nuclear deal with Iran, Republicans are jostling each other to determine who can make the most angry and apocalyptic statements about it.

Scott Walker said it “will be remembered as one of America’s worst diplomatic failures.” Jeb Bush called it “dangerous, deeply flawed, and short-sighted.” Marco Rubio said it “undermines our national security.” And as usual, Lindsey Graham wins the award for the most unhinged conclusions: the deal is “akin to declaring war on Sunni Arabs and Israel,” he told Bloomberg News. He also said: “You’ve created a possible death sentence for Israel.”

Most of the Republican presidential candidates have pledged in the past not to honor the deal if they reach the White House. But here’s the truth: they will.

So this is one more Obama administration achievement you can add to the list of things that Republicans rage at, insist their presidential candidates pledge to undo, and will one day (if they ever regain the White House) be appalled to find that a president from their party won’t actually be able to roll back.

In the short term, Congressional Republicans are highly unlikely to be able to stop this deal, because doing so would require passing a bill that imposes new sanctions or prevents Obama from lifting existing ones. Obama has already promised to veto such a bill, meaning Republicans would need to muster a two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress to override a veto. No doubt speaking for his colleagues, uber-hawk Tom Cotton said: “The American people will repudiate this deal and I believe Congress will kill the deal.” But a Washington Post poll at the end of March found that Americans supported a deal like this one by a margin of 59 to 31 percent, so he’s probably wrong on both counts.

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House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has warned the White House that if Republicans don't think the newly announced nuclear deal with Iran is a good one, they will block it. (AP)
Let’s think for a moment about what it would mean if the next president abandoned this deal. Such an action would involve two parts: reimposing sanctions and walking away from inspections. But there’s no reason to think that the other world powers that agreed to this deal would go along with either one, particularly if the new arrangement is operating as it was intended. Don’t forget that this isn’t a deal between Iran and the United States, it’s a deal between Iran, the United States, Russia, China, and Europe. The reason the current sanctions regime has crippled the Iran’s economy is that it was imposed not just by the United States but also by the United Nations, the European Union, and many other individual countries. So if we reimposed sanctions but those other countries didn’t, Iran would be left with plenty of trading partners.

That means that if President Walker/Bush/Rubio/Trump walked away from the deal, it wouldn’t actually hurt Iran that much. But it would mean saying that America is no longer interested in keeping tabs on Iran’s nuclear program — we’re going to pull out our inspectors, and as far as we’re concerned they can do what they like.

That’s a plan so stupid that it’s hard to imagine even the current GOP presidential candidates carrying it out.

For now, there are two questions that every Republican who opposes this deal must be asked: First, what’s your alternative? And second, can you explain exactly how your alternative would prevent Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon? Policy choices don’t exist in a vacuum. Whenever we say that one course of action is problematic, we’re saying that another course would be better. As far as I can tell (though it isn’t easy to figure out since they’re so vague on this question), the Republican position is that we should have walked away from these negotiations and just…wait. Then after some undetermined period, Iran would come crawling back and give us everything we could ever want, without the need for any negotiations at all.

No one in his or her right mind actually believes that would happen, of course. And if conservatives are right that Iran is hell-bent on getting a nuclear weapon, if the entire deal actually fell apart, there would be no reason for them not to ramp up their nuclear program with all deliberate speed. At which point, Republicans would say we have no choice but to launch military action. So the people who brought you the Iraq War would be sending us into another war in the Middle East, which would no doubt turn out just as splendidly.

All of this isn’t to say that every provision of this deal is exactly what we would have wanted. But that’s the nature of negotiation — you seldom get everything you want, but if it goes well, what you do get is better than the alternative. At the moment Republicans can’t articulate their own alternative, because it sure seems like that alternative is another war. But if they’re fortunate enough to win the White House next year, they’re likely to find that walking away from this deal is a lot less attractive than it seemed when they were trying to win over Republican primary voters.

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To put it most simply, they can't "walk away" from this deal because sanctions wouldn't even be an option. NOBODY would be on board with that after hammering out this deal. So the only question for the GOPpies is..."What would you rather do...and 'get a better deal' isn't an answer?" Then don't move on until they answer that question.
 
They can't walk away because Reagan negotiated with Gorbachev, and because the alternatives are endless sanctions with negligible results, or sending in the troops. Neither of which a 2016 candidate not named Donald Trump will run on.
 
How are you going to justify your statement when a large percentage of Democrats sides with those evil Republicans and puts the brakes on this crappy deal?
 
How are you going to justify your statement when a large percentage of Democrats sides with those evil Republicans and puts the brakes on this crappy deal?
What part of the deal do you not like? From my perspective it all looks pretty good with the exception of the surprise inspections.
 
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This might be "Obama's Revenge." No one can walk away from this now. Obama couldn't walk away from Junior's Iraq/Afghanistan nor his financial/economic mess at home and the next guy/gal in won't be able to walk away from this agreement...or ObamaCare. And really, when all is said and done, when Obama leaves office, he leaves the nation much better than he found it in January, 2009. His was such a failed Presidency.
 
Yep. It's all typical partisan bluster. Then once they're in office it's all BAU.

Kinda like when, say, for example a candidate promises that immediately upon being sworn in, they will close a certain prison opened by a previous POTUS, only to have it still be open 6 years after their initial inauguration. Or when a candidate says they will severely restrict or even completely eliminate anti-privacy policies imposed by a previous administration, such as, for example, oh gosh, let's just throw one out there, warrantless wiretaps under FISA. And then, instead, that person as President not only doesn't get rid of those policies, but actually extends them for 5 years (which conveniently goes 1 year beyond the end of their second and final term in office).

You know, partisan blowhard vote-trolling stuff like that.
 
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Yep. It's all typical partisan bluster. Then once they're in office it's all BAU.

Kinda like when, say, for example a candidate promises that immediately upon being sworn in, they will close a certain prison opened by a previous POTUS, only to have it still be open 6 years after their initial inauguration. Or when a candidate says they will severely restrict or even completely eliminate anti-privacy policies imposed by a previous administration, such as, for example, oh gosh, let's just throw one out there, warrantless wiretaps under FISA. And then, instead, that person as President not only doesn't get rid of those policies, but actually extends them for 5 years (which conveniently goes 1 year beyond the end of their second and final term in office).

You know, partisan blowhard vote-trolling stuff like that.
I'll give you the FISA, but I believe BHO tried to close Gitmo and was blocked by the opposition.
 
I'll give you the FISA, but I believe BHO tried to close Gitmo and was blocked by the opposition.
That's the point. We have an embarrassingly large proportion (in Doodle's humble assessment anyway) of eligible voters in this country who Doodle believes honestly think they are voting for a temporary emperor when they vote for someone to be President.

As candidates, they all know this and take full advantage of it, claiming they will do everything from reversing every policy and law passed by the previous administration (especially if it has the wrong letter after it) to re-inventing the wheel, curing cancer, and teaching animals to speak English.

And the public just laps it up....they love it. "Our guy....he's gonna show 'em! He's gonna stick it to those dirty (insert opposing political party here)! Whoo hooo!"

Then, they get into office, and what changes? Not a helluva lot usually. Maybe the promises get broken because they promised stuff they knew they'd never deliver on because they knew they'd really not suffer much political fallout for breaking them. Maybe some stuff gets obstructed by Congress or the SCOTUS or the states. And maybe some stuff they just realize they didn't have enough info while being on the outside looking in, and once they're actually occupying the big chair it dawns on them that doing what they promised could have disastrous consequences they hadn't fully comprehended while campaigning.

Whatever the case, the whole country would probably be much better off if we all were more adept at seeing campaign speeches and promises for what they truly are.....more entertainment than information.
 
That's the point. We have an embarrassingly large proportion (in Doodle's humble assessment anyway) of eligible voters in this country who Doodle believes honestly think they are voting for a temporary emperor when they vote for someone to be President.

As candidates, they all know this and take full advantage of it, claiming they will do everything from reversing every policy and law passed by the previous administration (especially if it has the wrong letter after it) to re-inventing the wheel, curing cancer, and teaching animals to speak English.

And the public just laps it up....they love it. "Our guy....he's gonna show 'em! He's gonna stick it to those dirty (insert opposing political party here)! Whoo hooo!"

Then, they get into office, and what changes? Not a helluva lot usually. Maybe the promises get broken because they promised stuff they knew they'd never deliver on because they knew they'd really not suffer much political fallout for breaking them. Maybe some stuff gets obstructed by Congress or the SCOTUS or the states. And maybe some stuff they just realize they didn't have enough info while being on the outside looking in, and once they're actually occupying the big chair it dawns on them that doing what they promised could have disastrous consequences they hadn't fully comprehended while campaigning.

Whatever the case, the whole country would probably be much better off if we all were more adept at seeing campaign speeches and promises for what they truly are.....more entertainment than information.
This post lacks your usual wisdom Ol' Doodle. I think most voters are wise enough to realize they aren't electing gods. I think most can see the differance between an Obama presidency with no war, economic policy ending the Great Recession, and healthcare vs a McCain presidency with invasions, no healthcare or economic recovery and a mountain of new war debt. Those are pretty big differences IMO.
 
In the short term, Congressional Republicans are highly unlikely to be able to stop this deal, because doing so would require passing a bill that imposes new sanctions or prevents Obama from lifting existing ones. Obama has already promised to veto such a bill, meaning Republicans would need to muster a two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress to override a veto. No doubt speaking for his colleagues, uber-hawk Tom Cotton said: “The American people will repudiate this deal and I believe Congress will kill the deal.” But a Washington Post poll at the end of March found that Americans supported a deal like this one by a margin of 59 to 31 percent, so he’s probably wrong on both counts.

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How would people properly respond to a poll in March when the final deal wasn't reached until yesterday?

And come one ciggy.....do you honestly expect most of the people responding to the have any idea what this is even all about? Go to your nearest grocery store and poll 100 people what they think of the Iran deal and I would bet 75% of them would have no idea what you're talking about.

The things I don't like about this deal is that it gives China and Russia a vote on what's a violation. So we determine Iran is in violation of part of the deal(just a hypothetical, stay with me), and they protest. From what I understand it will go to the 6 nation committe....the of which consist of China, Russia and.....wait for it.......IRAN! What happens when we KNOW there was a violation, and the other 3 nations say there wasn't one?

Then what?

IF I am wrong about how this works I'll be happy to read otherwise, and would think slightly better of this deal. But right now I think anyone who thinks this will keep Iran from the bomb is embarassingly naive or just a Democrat hack who would back any deal Obama and Kerry could get.
 
How would people properly respond to a poll in March when the final deal wasn't reached until yesterday?

And come one ciggy.....do you honestly expect most of the people responding to the have any idea what this is even all about? Go to your nearest grocery store and poll 100 people what they think of the Iran deal and I would bet 75% of them would have no idea what you're talking about.

The things I don't like about this deal is that it gives China and Russia a vote on what's a violation. So we determine Iran is in violation of part of the deal(just a hypothetical, stay with me), and they protest. From what I understand it will go to the 6 nation committe....the of which consist of China, Russia and.....wait for it.......IRAN! What happens when we KNOW there was a violation, and the other 3 nations say there wasn't one?

Then what?

IF I am wrong about how this works I'll be happy to read otherwise, and would think slightly better of this deal. But right now I think anyone who thinks this will keep Iran from the bomb is embarassingly naive or just a Democrat hack who would back any deal Obama and Kerry could get.

It's bad deal. You want proof? Tell us the last time Oblama gave America a good deal?
 
It's bad deal. You want proof? Tell us the last time Oblama gave America a good deal?
Oh, let's see. Providing millions of Americans with affordable health care, saving the world from a global depression, saving the US auto Industry, getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, opening relations with Cuba, the list goes on and on.
 
I'll give you the FISA, but I believe BHO tried to close Gitmo and was blocked by the opposition.

Where do you guys get this stuff?

You may recall that President Bush was attempting to ship all of the prisoners back to their home countries and succeeded in getting rid of all but maybe 100 prisoners. Unfortunately, no one in any country in the world would accept members of this hard core terrorist group.

President Obama, seemingly oblivious to these issues went through an entire campaign promising over and over that HE was going to shut down GITMO as his first order of business.

When he took office and apparently for the very first time learned of these difficulties, he (and Eric Holder) came up with a scheme to bring the whole crowd into the United States and try some of them and release others into the general population. Those with convictions would be sent to serve in mainland prisons and mixed with the general populations of these prisons. THIS is what the "opposition" objected to ... not the closing of GITMO per se.

Sending them home had been OK with most Republicans right along. Bringing them to the mainland was the issue.
 
Where do you guys get this stuff?

You may recall that President Bush was attempting to ship all of the prisoners back to their home countries and succeeded in getting rid of all but maybe 100 prisoners. Unfortunately, no one in any country in the world would accept members of this hard core terrorist group.

President Obama, seemingly oblivious to these issues went through an entire campaign promising over and over that HE was going to shut down GITMO as his first order of business.

When he took office and apparently for the very first time learned of these difficulties, he (and Eric Holder) came up with a scheme to bring the whole crowd into the United States and try some of them and release others into the general population. Those with convictions would be sent to serve in mainland prisons and mixed with the general populations of these prisons. THIS is what the "opposition" objected to ... not the closing of GITMO per se.

Sending them home had been OK with most Republicans right along. Bringing them to the mainland was the issue.
You'll need to prove the point that Rs would have been OK with letting them go, but of course moving them through the system was the alternative and BHO tried to keep that promise. I'm glad we agree.
 
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