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Lol. How many of these protests and demonstrations featured mortars, AK47s, and rocket-propelled grenades? It looks like most of them consisted of protesters throwing "stones and footwear", starting fires, and smashing some windows. Most of the deaths and injuries resulted from demonstrators clashing with police.

The four Americans who died in Libya weren't killed by a pair of flip-flops or a rock. You didn't have to be a CIA or FBI specialist to know Benghazi was different from the other demonstrations.
 
Yeah, not the point. The point was the video wasnt obscure and pulled out of nowhere.
Actually it was pretty obscure. I don't think anyone in America knew about it, other than that nutjob preacher down in Florida. And no one in the Arab world knew about it until a news reporter in Egypt played a clip on tv. We're not exactly talking about Jurassic World here.
 
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Wasn't there only like 4o views of that video at the time of the attack?


Is it strange I feel powerful knowing I can put on a puppet show for 15 minutes and possibly incite anarchy 4,000 miles away?
 
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Wasn't there only like 4o views of that video at the time of the attack?


Is it strange I feel powerful knowing I can put on a puppet show for 15 minutes and possibly incite anarchy 4,000 miles away?
Why do you think this? The article linked in the OP says it was broadcast on Egyptian TV on Sept. 8th. On Sept. 11th the Egyptian embassy was overrun. On sept. 13th another one, again on the 14th and yet another on the 15th with additional global protests lasting all month. In that heated period its altogether reasonable to suspect Libya was similar and that's what the investigators originally reported. Its not a conspiracy, it's just an error. Not even one by Hill or Obama, but by the eyes on the ground.

Over 50 deaths
12 (Afghanistan)[1]
23 (Pakistan)[2][3][4]
4 (Yemen)[5]
4 (Tunisia)[6]
4 (Israeli border)[7]
3 (Sudan)[8]
3 (Lebanon)[8][9]
1 (Egypt)[10]

At least 694-695 injured
At least 280 (Pakistan)[4][11][12]
250 (Egypt)[13]
46 (Tunisia)[6]
35 (Yemen)[5]
25 (India)[14]
25 (Australia)[15]
15 (Lebanon)[8][9]
4 (France)[16]
1-2 (Indonesia)[17]
At least 1 (Afghanistan)[18]
1 (Niger)[19]
1 (Belgium)[20]
 
Why do you think this? The article linked in the OP says it was broadcast on Egyptian TV on Sept. 8th. On Sept. 11th the Egyptian embassy was overrun. On sept. 13th another one, again on the 14th and yet another on the 15th with additional global protests lasting all month. In that heated period its altogether reasonable to suspect Libya was similar and that's what the investigators originally reported. Its not a conspiracy, it's just an error. Not even one by Hill or Obama, but by the eyes on the ground.

Over 50 deaths
12 (Afghanistan)[1]
23 (Pakistan)[2][3][4]
4 (Yemen)[5]
4 (Tunisia)[6]
4 (Israeli border)[7]
3 (Sudan)[8]
3 (Lebanon)[8][9]
1 (Egypt)[10]

At least 694-695 injured
At least 280 (Pakistan)[4][11][12]
250 (Egypt)[13]
46 (Tunisia)[6]
35 (Yemen)[5]
25 (India)[14]
25 (Australia)[15]
15 (Lebanon)[8][9]
4 (France)[16]
1-2 (Indonesia)[17]
At least 1 (Afghanistan)[18]
1 (Niger)[19]
1 (Belgium)[20]


Are you really naive enough to think a video caused these people to do this? What video would you have to watch to make you behave that way?
 
Are you really naive enough to think a video caused these people to do this? What video would you have to watch to make you behave that way?
Dude, its documented they did riot over the video multiple times, in multiple countries, at multiple US embassies. That's a fact. Read the OP article. We all know now that Libya wasn't over run for this reason now, but that was the atmosphere when the statements were issued and when the initial investigation came back with the report. Yes the report turned out to be wrong, but that doesn't make the statements the day after the attack or the week after lies or coverups.
 
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Dude, its documented they did riot over the video multiple times, in multiple countries, at multiple US embassies. That's a fact. Read the OP article. We all know now that Libya wasn't over run for this reason now, but that was the atmosphere when the statements were issued and when the initial investigation came back with the report. Yes the report turned out to be wrong, but that doesn't make the statements the day after the attack or the week after lies or coverups.

So....... at first Hillary said it wasn't the video, then to the population it was the video, and then changed the story to it was the video but just not in Libya?
 
In that heated period its altogether reasonable to suspect Libya was similar and that's what the investigators originally reported. Its not a conspiracy, it's just an error. Not even one by Hill or Obama, but by the eyes on the ground.
Well, see, you're just plain wrong there. Witnesses at the scene reported that the attackers were Ansar al-Sharia fighters. They wore flak jackets and tunics that were emblematic of the group. They had RPGs and mortars and truck-mounted machine guns. Their trucks bore the group's logo.

The other demonstrations consisted of belligerent teenagers throwing rocks and shoes and smashing windows. Riot police sprayed them with tear gas and firehoses. Most of the deaths and injuries resulted from clashes between police and demonstrators.

Benghazi was entirely different. It was a full-scale military assault by heavily armed soldiers. Our State Department and the White House knew that. They knew it right away. They knew because they're not &@$#ing morons.

The militants who attacked us in Benghazi may very well have been pissed about the YouTube video. But they were more upset about predator drone strikes and the killing of Osama bin Laden and the imprisonment of some of their comrades and the role America played in ousting and killing Ghaddafi.
 
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So....... at first Hillary said it wasn't the video, then to the population it was the video, and then changed the story to it was the video but just not in Libya?
No, your details are wrong. Let me clarify for you. First she said it was an attack with no reference to the video. Then the experts told her it was a video like the other attack that same day. Then she told the American public that there had been several attacks which some people had blamed on a video.
 
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Well, see, you're just plain wrong there. Witnesses at the scene reported that the attackers were Ansar al-Sharia fighters. They wore flak jackets and tunics that were emblematic of the group. They had RPGs and mortars and truck-mounted machine guns. Their trucks bore the group's logo.

The other demonstration consisted of belligerent teenagers throwing rocks and shoes and smashing windows. Riot police sprayed them with tear gas and firehoses. Most of the deaths and injuries resulted from clashes between police and demonstrators.

Benghazi was entirely different. It was a full-scale military assault by heavily armed soldiers. Our State Department and the White House knew that. They knew it right away. They knew because they're not &@$#ing morons.

The militants who attacked us in Benghazi may very well have been pissed about the YouTube video. But they were more upset about predator drone strikes and the killing of Osama bin Laden and the imprisonment of some of their comrades and the role America played in ousting and killing Ghaddafi.
None of what you type makes what I said wrong. These details you write about were not immediately known by Hillary and not what was being reported by the security experts on the ground.
 
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No, your details are wrong. Let me clarify for you. First she said it was an attack with no reference to the video. Then the experts told her it was a video like the other attack that same day. Then she told the American public that there had been several attacks which some people had blamed on a video.


I think that's the point, WHO blamed the video?
 
None of what you type makes what I said wrong. These details you write about were not immediately known by Hillary and not what was being reported by the security experts on the ground.
The details I wrote about were EXACTLY what was being reported by the security experts on the ground. They knew who was responsible the day that it happened.
 
I think that's the point, WHO blamed the video?
Security experts. Hillary used the language that some had attributed these attacks to a video. And there were dozens of other attacks that were verifiably video related, so its not had to understand why that would be the starting point here.
 
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Security experts. Hillary used the language that some had attributed these attacks to a video. And there were dozens of other attacks that were verifiably video related, so its not had to understand why that would be the starting point here.
I give up. You win.

If you and your fellow DailyKos disciples are hell-bent on believing the fairy tale that security experts thought a bunch of YouTube protesters brought RPGs and mortars and anti-aircraft artillery to the party then nothing anyone else says has any chance of penetrating your protective shield of stupidity.
 
I give up. You win.

If you and your fellow DailyKos disciples are hell-bent on believing the fairy tale that security experts thought a bunch of YouTube protesters brought RPGs and mortars and anti-aircraft artillery to the party then nothing anyone else says has any chance of penetrating your protective shield of stupidity.
That's hardly the delusion here. When Rice went on the news the next day did she not report that the intelligence of the video cause came from security experts? If that is so, then the meddled explanation on this ordeal is just an error and a very reasonable one.
 
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I give up. You win.

If you and your fellow DailyKos disciples are hell-bent on believing the fairy tale that security experts thought a bunch of YouTube protesters brought RPGs and mortars and anti-aircraft artillery to the party then nothing anyone else says has any chance of penetrating your protective shield of stupidity.

I don't really care enough to go back and review past hearings, but I am pretty sure there was conflicting reports immediately after the attack. You act like every piece of intel matched.

They still could have flat out lied, but I just dont recall it being as you claim.
 
That's hardly the delusion here. When Rice went on the news the next day did she not report that the intelligence of the video cause came from security experts? If that is so, then the meddled explanation on this ordeal is just an error and a very reasonable one.
Heavily armed militants assaulted the consulate for several hours and then assaulted the safe house for several more hours. It was entirely different from all the other demonstrations that were going on.

Any security "expert" who assessed that situation and decided it was just another spontaneous YouTube protest by garden variety demonstrators should be fired for gross incompetence.
 
She told the Egypt in a conference call on the 12th I believe, it was a terrorist attack. I do believe it was in one of the emails. Those pesky emails keep showing what really happened.
 
We simply need to stay out of the ME, take care of our own first. If they try to attack our country we send them further back in the stone age. They will continue to fight each other regardless of what the "outsiders" do or say.
 
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I don't really care enough to go back and review past hearings, but I am pretty sure there was conflicting reports immediately after the attack. You act like every piece of intel matched.

They still could have flat out lied, but I just dont recall it being as you claim.

The Bengahzi hearings have been great.

18 months of Hillary saying...

"There's no conspiracy! I'm just incompetent and really bad at my job".
 
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Dude, its documented they did riot over the video multiple times, in multiple countries, at multiple US embassies. That's a fact. Read the OP article. We all know now that Libya wasn't over run for this reason now, but that was the atmosphere when the statements were issued and when the initial investigation came back with the report. Yes the report turned out to be wrong, but that doesn't make the statements the day after the attack or the week after lies or coverups.
You are entirely missing the point. It has nothing to do with how many people saw the video, how pissed off they got, or what may have happened because of it in a lot of places.

The point is that Obama, Clinton and their minions -- notably Susan Rice -- blamed the video for the attack on our embassy in Benghazi although they knew when they did so that it was not true.

This ain't rocket science.
 
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You are entirely missing the point. It has nothing to do with how many people saw the video, how pissed off they got, or what may have happened because of it in a lot of places.

The point is that Obama, Clinton and their minions -- notably Susan Rice -- blamed the video for the attack on our embassy in Benghazi although they knew when they did so that it was not true.

This ain't rocket science.

And yet the idiots even go as far as implying that the father of the dead Navy Seal was lying about Hillary's statements - even though at the time Hillary was telling the whole world it was about the video. "Certainly nothing as definitive as a father's diary entry written in pencil." - Natural

Obama, Rice [Rice in was spectacular in her deceit], and Hillary lied about this. How low are some of you going to go defending her?
 
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Dude, its documented they did riot over the video multiple times, in multiple countries, at multiple US embassies. That's a fact. Read the OP article. We all know now that Libya wasn't over run for this reason now, but that was the atmosphere when the statements were issued and when the initial investigation came back with the report. Yes the report turned out to be wrong, but that doesn't make the statements the day after the attack or the week after lies or coverups.

So why did Hillary tell her own daughter that Benghazi was an AQ-like terrorist attack the night it happened?
 
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So why did Hillary tell her own daughter that Benghazi was an AQ-like terrorist attack the night it happened?

Feeling weak, vulnerable, and lonely, Hillary emailed her daughter and in a disparate moment of candor she did the unthinkable - she told the truth.
 
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You are entirely missing the point. It has nothing to do with how many people saw the video, how pissed off they got, or what may have happened because of it in a lot of places.

The point is that Obama, Clinton and their minions -- notably Susan Rice -- blamed the video for the attack on our embassy in Benghazi although they knew when they did so that it was not true.

This ain't rocket science.

And they did this multiple times over many days. It is total hogwash to claim the attack on the embassy was the result of the video.
 
It's always been at least partly the video. Anyone who paid attention at the time knows that. Anyone who bothers to dig down now knows that.

Two things emerge from that recognition:

1) How much of the Libya attack was due to the video is a question worth exploring (along with several other reasonable questions already raised).

2) When the GOP started insisting that the video was not at all a factor and that administration spokesmen who said it was a factor were lying, the GOP lost all credibility.

I confess I don't understand this tactic, yet we see it a lot. You have a perfectly good basis for criticizing, but you blow one bit out of proportion and hang your reputation on it. Sure, sure, they do it a lot and get away with it a lot. So maybe that explains it. But why take that risk when the reasonable approach will still tarnish your opponent?
 
That's hardly the delusion here. When Rice went on the news the next day did she not report that the intelligence of the video cause came from security experts? If that is so, then the meddled explanation on this ordeal is just an error and a very reasonable one.

Are you talking about when she made her rounds on the Sunday shows? If so,that was five days after the attack. If you're talking about another appearance she made, carry on.
 
It's always been at least partly the video. Anyone who paid attention at the time knows that. Anyone who bothers to dig down now knows that.

Two things emerge from that recognition:

1) How much of the Libya attack was due to the video is a question worth exploring (along with several other reasonable questions already raised).

2) When the GOP started insisting that the video was not at all a factor and that administration spokesmen who said it was a factor were lying, the GOP lost all credibility.

I confess I don't understand this tactic, yet we see it a lot. You have a perfectly good basis for criticizing, but you blow one bit out of proportion and hang your reputation on it. Sure, sure, they do it a lot and get away with it a lot. So maybe that explains it. But why take that risk when the reasonable approach will still tarnish your opponent?


So what you're saying is the attackers knew ahead of time a video was coming out and they did not plan to attack on 9/11 (anniversary). Spontaneous? Or they decided to attack under the cover of a video riot/protest?
 
It's always been at least partly the video. Anyone who paid attention at the time knows that. Anyone who bothers to dig down now knows that.

Two things emerge from that recognition:

1) How much of the Libya attack was due to the video is a question worth exploring (along with several other reasonable questions already raised).

2) When the GOP started insisting that the video was not at all a factor and that administration spokesmen who said it was a factor were lying, the GOP lost all credibility.

I confess I don't understand this tactic, yet we see it a lot. You have a perfectly good basis for criticizing, but you blow one bit out of proportion and hang your reputation on it. Sure, sure, they do it a lot and get away with it a lot. So maybe that explains it. But why take that risk when the reasonable approach will still tarnish your opponent?
As I said before, I'm sure the militants were offended by the video, assuming they had seen it. But their motivations for the attack were much more than just the video. This attack was planned before the video started getting attention. It was planned to coincide with the 9/11 anniversary and was in response to our predator drone attacks and the imprisonment of their comrades.

But here's the thing - the White House's motivation for deception went beyond merely why the attacks occurred. It was more about how and by whom the attacks were perpetrated. Even if we accept the narrative that the attacks were motivated by the YouTube video it doesn't change the fact that the White House deliberately tried to deceive Americans about details of the attack.

They wanted us to believe it was carried out by ordinary Muslims who overreacted to the video. They wanted us to believe this because they didn't want us to know it was actually carried out by militants loosely affiliated with al-Qaeda. They wanted us to believe it was a spontaneous demonstration, just like the ones in other Arab nations, and that it simply got a little out of hand. They didn't want us to know it was carried out with anti-aircraft artillery and mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, in stark contrast to other anti-video demonstrations where the weapons of choice were shoes and rocks and bits of loose concrete.

The reason they wanted to conceal the truth is because there was a critical election coming up in a few weeks and this nasty little incident was a bit embarrassing to an administration whose central campaign theme was that they had made America safer. They had ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They had killed Osama bin Laden. They were bringing democracy to Libya. Muslim countries finally respected us after the damage done by the previous administration. Al-Qaeda was on the run.

Just a few days earlier, as you may recall, Joe Biden stood in front of the Democratic National Convention and told America and the world to ask Osama bin Laden if he was better off than he was four years ago. They simply couldn't have Americans thinking we were still vulnerable to attacks from al-Qaeda. Not with the general election just around the corner.

So they tried to convince Americans that the attack on Benghazi was just a spontaneous demonstration that got out of hand. It really doesn't matter whether the militants were angered by the YouTube video. The key to the White House deception was downplaying the role of Ansar al-Sharia and blaming it on ordinary citizens whose deity was disrespected.
 
Security experts. Hillary used the language that some had attributed these attacks to a video. And there were dozens of other attacks that were verifiably video related, so its not had to understand why that would be the starting point here.


That's nutty as I always assumed the SOS was a security expert. That is her job isn't it when appointed to that position?
 
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No, but she employed them and relied in their expertise. Come clean. You don't really consider Hillary Clinton a security expert.


How clean do you want me to come?

No, I don't expect her to be a security expert. She is a politician to the utmost, to me it's almost sickening how she said that the attacks caused her more sleepless nights than the committee. It's not because I don't think she wasn't worried about the incident as much as the sleepless nights on how she would spin going back and forth with the video thing. I don't trust that bitch as far as I can throw her. I think she is a cold, callous woman who doesn't care about anyone or thing except advancing her career.

Personally I thought Obama is a cool guy, and was a bit in over his head with some of his foreign policy decisions (drawing lines then not backing it up). Hillary is the opposite to me, I think she is extremely arrogant and more than anything concerning this whole email business either at the very worst a pathological liar or at the very best incompetent.
 
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