Sadly for both winners and losers tonight on POTUS....we have another few years of drama with Trumps sentencing for 37 counts, plus the other federal counts. And if Trump fires Jack Smith; another impeachment.
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He's not doing well tonight. You're one of the most level headed posters on here so I wouldn't engage.
There will be another impeachment anyway, probably more than one, and the court cases are all getting thrown out/overturned in appeal most likely.
You know, one way to avoid drama would be for Dems to start acting like adults. That's really why he won tonight. People are tired of the BS from the left.
Already going with the enemy talk within the first speech. Ya…it is exactly what he said was going to happen.
The Cop who supports someone who helped injure 140 Capitol Police. What a ****ing crazy scenario and in a normal world wouldn't occur.
We might as well turn this into a HBOT After nights thread.
I'll respect that opinion, I just won't agree with it.Basically....
I honestly have no the f what you are talking about. Dead honest.
Might post a MAGA nude i saw on Twitter. I don't support it, but I support the tits.
We reside in the dumbest country on Earth. People cried when I said that 5 years ago. Even more true today.
Without FDR's policies Pearl Harbor doesn't happen. The attack was deliberately provoked. Not justified. Provoked.
Let the Japanese drown trying to conquer China.
Let the fascists fight the communists. We didn't have to step into it.
The Germans lacked the means to cross the Channel, I'm not going to entertain fantasies where they're invading South America. That's crazy talk.
I just fully concur with Washington and John Quincy Adams' view of our role in the world:
https://jqas.org/jqas-monsters-to-destroy-speech-full-text/
And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world; the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful cars, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence, has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign Independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brow would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of Freedom and Independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an Imperial Diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.
...Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of mind. She has a spear and a shield, but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
Genuinely I ask, but never is it answered:
What have the neocons won for us besides the Patriot Act, thousands dead, trillions in debt and countless other indignities at home for their decades of war abroad to 'fix' the world with bombs and bullets?
At this point, I am nearly convinced I'm talking to an AI bot. Always plenty of extensive quoted material that has only tangential bearing on the previous point of argument. Do you truly think that FDR's prewar policies were the sine qua non that precipitated Pearl Harbor? That a rabidly imperial Japan would not have struck at the US once emboldened by the alliance with the Nazis in the Tripartite Pact? That "the fascists and communists" would have neatly settled their differences in Europe with no consequences for the US? That the liberal democracies of Western Europe were not specifically targeted by Hitler? That once continental Europe fell the Nazis could not have managed to navigate the English Channel and overwhelm the British Isles? That they didn't know how to navigate the Atlantic?Without FDR's policies Pearl Harbor doesn't happen. The attack was deliberately provoked. Not justified. Provoked.
Let the Japanese drown trying to conquer China.
Let the fascists fight the communists. We didn't have to step into it.
The Germans lacked the means to cross the Channel, I'm not going to entertain fantasies where they're invading South America. That's crazy talk.
I just fully concur with Washington and John Quincy Adams' view of our role in the world:
https://jqas.org/jqas-monsters-to-destroy-speech-full-text/
And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world; the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful cars, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence, has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign Independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brow would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of Freedom and Independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an Imperial Diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.
...Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of mind. She has a spear and a shield, but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
Genuinely I ask, but never is it answered:
What have the neocons won for us besides the Patriot Act, thousands dead, trillions in debt and countless other indignities at home for their decades of war abroad to 'fix' the world with bombs and bullets?
And by the way, the Nazis absolutely had plans for the Americas. "Concepts of plans" is perhaps a phrase you will better understand.
You say we didn't have to step into it. It's not possible to know for sure, but without American involvement, the European Allies likely fall, and most of the continent is dominated by a militant fascist and racist regime bent on murdering millions more people than they already had. And I guess we should also have let Japan establish a Pacific empire after they killed thousands of our sailors in an unprovoked act of war.
There is a reasonable debate to be had about the extent of America's involvement abroad, but one cannot be neutral on a moving train. You--or your programming--prefer to pretend that we can excuse ourselves from the shared planet that all of humanity inhabits. We'd likely be speaking German right now, but I suspect that is what you would prefer.
This is disgusting. Enjoy this shit America. I’m out.
Attacked? Stating facts. There's no agree to disagree so you do you.Jebus. I'm being attacked by both left and right tonight..........................
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I'll never attack you. Stay strong, james, Jim, jimmothy.Jebus. I'm being attacked by both left and right tonight..........................
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Dipshit done yet? Turned it off. Need the Dems to win the House.
Lol. He is a Trumper. Enough said. How someone enforcing the law can support the domestic terrorist and rapist is something I'll never comprehend after swearing to uphold and defend the constitution. Trump should be in prison and not a ballot.
Stop talking in this monotone elderly voice, donald
He has made it too long. Way too long. His age is showing. Mumbling, randomness, letting ufc president dana white on stage,
You’re aware that almost all of those are gone and, now that he’s president, you can pretty much forget about all of it, right ?
