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The Worlds and the Push Out Rule

Should NCAA adopt the Push Out Rule?

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 88.9%
  • No

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • Total voters
    45

Sandor45

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Folkstyle has got it wrong.
Watching the Worlds this week and I couldn't help notice how much more action there was compared to NCAA folkstyle. The Chamizo finals match was one of the best wrestling I've ever seen, and you had one of the most dramatic finishes of a Metcalf match against the Chinese. No running away from the aggressor, and if you did, you forfeit a point via the push out rule. The push out rule added such a compelling element to the wrestling. NCAA's must have it to keep growing.
Countering your opponent if he pushes to hard or pushing for the point if your opponent is giving too much ground and not initiating. That's such a primal and important part of wrestling, the perfect balance of give and go. Without the push out rule, you take away a huge aspect of what it means to control another human being. You take a guy outside of a circle, that should be worth something. You're displaying your dominance over a guy by taking him somewhere he doesn't want to go. That should be worth a point.
NCAA folkstyle rules gives an out for non aggressive wrestlers in two ways.
1) It gives the wrestler that's in bad position near the outside circle an area to flee to and start over without being penalized.
2) A wrestler can go out of bounds for a short breather without penalty.

The intensity of the action at the Worlds this week was a direct result of the pushout rule and passivity calls (something that I think should also be included in folkstyle)

You take two barrels of dynamite and put it on top of a hill and ignite it. The effects of the explosion wouldn't be nearly as much than if you put those same two barrels inside an enclosed cave in the hill.
All I'm saying is keep the dynamite in the hill.
 
I do like freestyle's push-out rule, and I no longer like NCAA's riding time. Those are two clear advantages of freestyle over collegiate.

On the other hand, I like the more objective scoring of collegiate (example: the 4-point move given to Burroughs' opponent for defensive tilt, then rescinded on challenge--that's a huge amount of points based on whim). And I like NCAA's common-sense approach to seeding, balanced brackets, double-elimination wrestle-backs, and the fact that there's only one guy who places "third" (duh). I'm not ready to let FILA manage the NCAAs any time soon.
 
I do like freestyle's push-out rule, and I no longer like NCAA's riding time. Those are two clear advantages of freestyle over collegiate.

On the other hand, I like the more objective scoring of collegiate (example: the 4-point move given to Burroughs' opponent for defensive tilt, then rescinded on challenge--that's a huge amount of points based on whim). And I like NCAA's common-sense approach to seeding, balanced brackets, double-elimination wrestle-backs, and the fact that there's only one guy who places "third" (duh). I'm not ready to let FILA manage the NCAAs any time soon.

That is spot on. Agree strongly on each point.
 
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Add the push out
Add a point for a failed review (to get rid of the lung time outs)
Add riding time only after an offensive point is scored. I'm not ready to give up the riding point.
If we were to get rid of the riding point, lets also reset after 10 secs of so of inaction on top.
 
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Add the push out
Add a point for a failed review (to get rid of the lung time outs)
Add riding time only after an offensive point is scored. I'm not ready to give up the riding point.
If we were to get rid of the riding point, lets also reset after 10 secs of so of inaction on top.

Definitely agree with reviews. Sucks that coaches take advantage of that to give their kids lung timeouts.
 
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If we were to get rid of the riding point, lets also reset after 10 secs of so of inaction on top.
I understand the intent, but I disagree about making folkstyle too much like freestyle. I like mat wrestling and it's uniqueness compared to the international scene. I just don't like the way stalling is encouraged with RT. I have no problem controlling the action on the mat to keep your opponent from having opportunities to score; however, stalling needs to be called per the rules.
 
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I understand the intent, but I disagree about making folkstyle too much like freestyle. I like mat wrestling and it's uniqueness compared to the international scene. I just don't like the way stalling is encouraged with RT. I have no problem controlling the action on the mat to keep your opponent from having opportunities to score; however, stalling needs to be called per the rules.

True. Mat wrestling is an important aspect of the sport. If you got rid of it you might as well just have a takedown contest which, IMO is what freestyle amounts to other than the occasional turn which is as frequently fluke induced as skill induced.
 
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You take two barrels of dynamite and put it on top of a hill and ignite it. The effects of the explosion wouldn't be nearly as much than if you put those same two barrels inside an enclosed cave in the hill.
All I'm saying is keep the dynamite in the hill.[/QUOTE]

It'd probably be tough to see the action if we put both wrestlers inside a hill. Oh, I get it that's why there's dynamite. Yep. I'm in!:D
 
Now we know Phil Keddy's secret for his quick escapes from bottom ... he had dynamite inside of him. What a trendsetter.

More detail on the side note above as some of you might remember. Rulon Gardner was on NBC's The Biggest Loser a few years back. He was losing some weight until he was found, in trainer Jillian Michael's words "housing" bags of chips in his room. He left the show shortly after that.
 
Now we know Phil Keddy's secret for his quick escapes from bottom ... he had dynamite inside of him. What a trendsetter.

More detail on the side note above as some of you might remember. Rulon Gardner was on NBC's The Biggest Loser a few years back. He was losing some weight until he was found, in trainer Jillian Michael's words "housing" bags of chips in his room. He left the show shortly after that.
I know Gardner beating Karelin is considered a monster upset, which it was for a guy who hadn't lost in 13 years, but it was in Greco, so it kind of has a wierd feel to it for me. A 1-0 snoozefest was it not? (don't recall for certain, but I have watched it previously at some point).

Anyway, as for Rulon, the dude is big as a house, and pretty much always has been (big ol' barrel chested dude). The articles I've read about his life are amazing, the things he was able to do athletically and just life in general with his size really amazed me. Sad to see him battle his weight like he is, but he seems pretty "cheery" when I've seen him do matches and what-not. He apparently was up to 474 lbs prior to the Biggest Loser, and lost 173 lbs at one time. Yowser!
 
Would like a push out rule, no doubt. Wouldn't mind a shot clock either. Anything to speed up the pace. However, not for going full freestyle.
 
If anyone watched the broadcast on ESPN... did anyone else think they muted the crowd too much? The announcing was anticlimactic to me.
 
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