There are not enough nurses to take care of everyone who needs care, and it's getting worse....

[The Tradition]

How do we solve this problem? It's serious.

Girls are being told to not become nurses. "Become doctors" all the woke people are telling them! And the men aren't stepping up to the plate to take these jobs.

Accordingly, there are not enough nurses entering the profession to take care of everyone who needs care. There is a serious nursing shortage in this country, and it's getting worse. And the average age of nurses is rising. They're going to start retiring in massive numbers. There are not enough young people entering the profession.

Wages are rapidly rising, but that's not helping. And the companies that are paying more to get their ever-smaller slice of the labor market pie can't just raise prices to pay for it. The reimbursement rates are set by the government and the insurers, not the providers.

"Medicare for All" isn't going to fix this problem. Opening the floodgates to everybody will make the situation worse.

I'm going to need a nurse one day and so are you. What are we going to do about this?

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

I’d like to go back to school and get my RN, just a huge time commitment at this age.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Build a big beautiful wall?

 

[claykenny]

Ask the administrators and insurance companies responsible for ruining health care.

 

[Monzon]

How do we solve this problem? It's serious.

Girls are being told to not become nurses. "Become doctors" all the woke people are telling them! And the men aren't stepping up to the plate to take these jobs.

Accordingly, there are not enough nurses entering the profession to take care of everyone who needs care. There is a serious nursing shortage in this country, and it's getting worse. And the average age of nurses is rising. They're going to start retiring in massive numbers. There are not enough young people entering the profession.

Wages are rapidly rising, but that's not helping. And the companies that are paying more to get their ever-smaller slice of the labor market pie can't just raise prices to pay for it. The reimbursement rates are set by the government and the insurers, not the providers.

"Medicare for All" isn't going to fix this problem. Opening the floodgates to everybody will make the situation worse.

I'm going to need a nurse one day and so are you. What are we going to do about this?

The market will take care of part of it - wages will increase to the point where it will entice people to go / remain in the profession.
The bigger problem is the staggering growth of people who need care to survive in advanced age... those who refuse to physically take care of themselves as they get into their 40's and beyond. You want to solve it? Stop smoking. Start lifting weights to remain strong. Get your normal yearly physicals. Prevent the decline in health as early as possible.

I'll need a nurse the last few weeks of my life beyond the normal appointments, barring some unforeseen "random" accident.

 

[ericram]

Pay a lot more... Don't treat them like shit. They may be told to be doctors but seriously not everyone has the skills and ability to become a doctor. Need good nurses too.

 

[LuciousBDragon]

How do we solve this problem? It's serious.

Girls are being told to not become nurses. "Become doctors" all the woke people are telling them! And the men aren't stepping up to the plate to take these jobs.

Accordingly, there are not enough nurses entering the profession to take care of everyone who needs care. There is a serious nursing shortage in this country, and it's getting worse. And the average age of nurses is rising. They're going to start retiring in massive numbers. There are not enough young people entering the profession.

Wages are rapidly rising, but that's not helping. And the companies that are paying more to get their ever-smaller slice of the labor market pie can't just raise prices to pay for it. The reimbursement rates are set by the government and the insurers, not the providers.

"Medicare for All" isn't going to fix this problem. Opening the floodgates to everybody will make the situation worse.

I'm going to need a nurse one day and so are you. What are we going to do about this?

We already have had a doctor shortage for decades in this country. On paper, the “nurse practitioner” position fixes everything. Again, that’s on paper and not necessarily in practice. We need more specialists. For nursing, the eventuality will be degraded level of service as folks with less education and experience move into the field. Whomp whomp

 

[BubsFinn]

"Medicare for all" will make this problem exponentially worse. Wages will not be permitted to increase to meet the supply and demand curve.

 

[Run&Blade]

I know a couple junior college teachers that teach nursing classes.

basically there are a lot of dip shits out there that can’t pass the classes and don’t show up for class.

generation of entitlement. It’s why the free money candidates are popular. They don’t want to work and were worthless in high school.

 

[The Tradition]

Pay a lot more... Don't treat them like shit. They may be told to be doctors but seriously not everyone has the skills and ability to become a doctor. Need good nurses too.

Where's the money going to come from to pay them "a lot" more?

 

[PoopandBoogers]

I will say the nursing school at FSU was top notch. They were fun as hell, smart, and hot. Respected the hell outta them and still friends with a few to this day.

 

[LuteHawk]

The doctor shortage was accelerated with Obama Care.
Doctors had to spend one day a week just doing the
paper work. Many decided to get out and retire even if
they were only in their 50's. Now nurses can study to
become doctor's assistants as they fill in for the shortage
of doctors. The real problem is shortage of doctors.

 

[Lone Clone]

How do we solve this problem? It's serious.

Girls are being told to not become nurses. "Become doctors" all the woke people are telling them! And the men aren't stepping up to the plate to take these jobs.

Accordingly, there are not enough nurses entering the profession to take care of everyone who needs care. There is a serious nursing shortage in this country, and it's getting worse. And the average age of nurses is rising. They're going to start retiring in massive numbers. There are not enough young people entering the profession.

Wages are rapidly rising, but that's not helping. And the companies that are paying more to get their ever-smaller slice of the labor market pie can't just raise prices to pay for it. The reimbursement rates are set by the government and the insurers, not the providers.

"Medicare for All" isn't going to fix this problem. Opening the floodgates to everybody will make the situation worse.

I'm going to need a nurse one day and so are you. What are we going to do about this?

I thought from the subject line this was going to be about the HROT posters who need to seek help and aren't getting it.

 

[Run&Blade]

Eventually robots.

nursing is a great profession. You can work anywhere you want and any hours you want.

you can work part time or full time and all kinds of things like weekend package. Not many professions you can jump in and out of and back in and not lose salary/marketability.

if I was graduating high school today I would seriously consider it.

isn’t the University of Iowa college of nursing difficult to get into? Maybe they need to enlarge that college.

 

[thewop]

Legalize prostitution!

They can take up a side hustle on the job. Excellent pay without a raise.

 

[QChawks]

Pay a lot more... Don't treat them like shit. They may be told to be doctors but seriously not everyone has the skills and ability to become a doctor. Need good nurses too.

this.

RN’s have been underpaid for years. It’s about supply and demand.

 

[The Tradition]

this.

RN’s have been underpaid for years. It’s about supply and demand.

Again, healthcare providers can't just "raise prices" to pay for increasing wages. Their revenues are set by the government and the insurance companies. And in fact, those reimbursements are falling, not rising.

 

[LuteHawk]

In the 1980's and 1990's the best nurses were making
more money working in a doctor's office than the hospital.
They had a 40 hour week and no weekends. Hospitals now
have nurses working 12 hour shifts for 3 or 4 days a week.
It is killing the morale of the nursing profession.

 

[The Tradition]

In the 1980's and 1990's the best nurses were making
more money working in a doctor's office than the hospital.
They had a 40 hour week and no weekends. Hospitals now
have nurses working 12 hour shifts for 3 or 4 days a week.
It is killing the morale of the nursing profession.

That's because there are not enough nurses to take care of everyone who needs care, Lute.

 

[Hawk_82]

How do we solve this problem? It's serious.

Girls are being told to not become nurses. "Become doctors" all the woke people are telling them! And the men aren't stepping up to the plate to take these jobs.

Accordingly, there are not enough nurses entering the profession to take care of everyone who needs care. There is a serious nursing shortage in this country, and it's getting worse. And the average age of nurses is rising. They're going to start retiring in massive numbers. There are not enough young people entering the profession.

Wages are rapidly rising, but that's not helping. And the companies that are paying more to get their ever-smaller slice of the labor market pie can't just raise prices to pay for it. The reimbursement rates are set by the government and the insurers, not the providers.

"Medicare for All" isn't going to fix this problem. Opening the floodgates to everybody will make the situation worse.

I'm going to need a nurse one day and so are you. What are we going to do about this?

Iowa is one of the lowest paid nursing states in the country. it's no wonder there is a shortage here.

It's all about the money now. Hospitals will have whoever can bill the most do the procedures. There are things a nurse could do, but the hospital wants a doctor to do those things because they can bill for it, whereas a nurse can not.

Just yesterday day my wife who is an np was told she can't complete a simple procedure because her director doesn't think a nurse should be able to do anything by themselves.

It's a crazy waste of resources and very inefficient.

 

[LuteHawk]

My point is that the hospitals were not taking good
care of the nurses they had. I agree there are not
enough nurses to care for those in need. Hospitals
were not paying their nurses enough money for their
services. So why should a college age gal study
to be a Registered Nurse?

 

[The Tradition]

My point is that the hospitals were not taking good
care of the nurses they had. I agree there are not
enough nurses to care for those in need. Hospitals
were not paying their nurses enough money for their
services. So why should a college age gal study
to be a Registered Nurse?

Okay, so where does all this extra money come from?

If it comes from the government, then that means more taxes.

If it comes from the insurance companies, then it means higher insurance premiums.

If you're going to self-pay, it means a higher hospital bill.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

My point is that the hospitals were not taking good
care of the nurses they had. I agree there are not
enough nurses to care for those in need. Hospitals
were not paying their nurses enough money for their
services. So why should a college age gal study
to be a Registered Nurse?

Iowa, Allen, Grand View all have great programs.

 

[claykenny]

Okay, so where does all this extra money come from?

If it comes from the government, then that means more taxes.

If it comes from the insurance companies, then it means higher insurance premiums.

If you're going to self-pay, it means a higher hospital bill.

Or fewer executive bonuses and less shareholder return, but obviously we can’t do something that reasonable.

 

[The Tradition]

Or fewer executive bonuses and less shareholder return, but obviously we can’t do something that reasonable.

Less shareholder return = no new facilities get built and/or existing facilities go out of business

Great plan you have there.

 

[ConvenientParking]

Less shareholder return = no new facilities get built and/or existing facilities go out of business

Great plan you have there.

Most hospitals are nonprofit. The largest insurers are publicly traded. Hospitals would have more money to pay providers if they had less administrative costs because healthcare costs were somehow simplified.

 

[The Tradition]

Most hospitals are nonprofit. The largest insurers are publicly traded. Hospitals would have more money to pay providers if they had less administrative costs because healthcare costs were somehow simplified.

Is that why all new hospitals look like the Taj Mahal?

 

[claykenny]

Less shareholder return = no new facilities get built and/or existing facilities go out of business

Great plan you have there.

Tell me more about how insurance company profit is tied to hospitals building new facilities.

 

[ConvenientParking]

Is that why all new hospitals look like the Taj Mahal?

No, but it is also not important for them to.

 

[claykenny]

Is that why all new hospitals look like the Taj Mahal?

When metrics like patient satisfaction scores are more important to hospitals than actual patient care outcomes, you get really nice facilities.

 

[JMNSHO]

As a byproduct of the old system where professional achievement for women was best pursued in a select few fields, nursing became a conduit of advancement for smart and capable women. Today, as a result, many non clinical jobs have a nursing degree as a prerequisite, because these jobs grew out of the roles nurses cultivated as they were transitioning out of the actual practice of nursing. Many young BSN, MSN practically skip the actual nursing phase of their careers and jump right into administration, education, consulting, etc. Plenty of career nurses are jumping into these related positions too. Combine that with a high burnout rate and it’s no surprise that nurses can be hard to retain in numbers.

 

[dekhawk]

It$ really pretty $imple. Nurses don’t make what they should for what they do. My wife is an RN , usually you get lousy hours when you start in nursing, nights , weekends . High stress. You can make more $$ in other professions and have better hours than nurses.

 

[The Tradition]

Tell me more about how insurance company profit is tied to hospitals building new facilities.

Where do you think hospitals get their money?

 

[Hawk_82]

Okay, so where does all this extra money come from?

If it comes from the government, then that means more taxes.

If it comes from the insurance companies, then it means higher insurance premiums.

If you're going to self-pay, it means a higher hospital bill.

The "for profit" part of health care is killing healthcare.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucej...ate-health-insurer-profits-soar/#4e2b2d3d532b

2 insurance companies alone made 1 billion dollars each in one quarter in 2018.

This is how private industry does not work. Who decides how much profit is enough for 1 company.

 

[claykenny]

Where do you think hospitals get their money?

What happens when people pay the same premiums but the insurance companies no longer make massive profits? Would there be more or less money available to pay health care providers what they deserve?

 

[The Tradition]

If the insurance companies are keeping profits, that means they are not paying that money to the providers, who employ the nurses.

If you really think the government is going to do a better job, you need to rethink that.

They are making those profits under the current "Medicare" system. Under "Medicare for All" they would make more.

The Forbes article isn't talking about profits from the healthcare provided by employers and the ACA exchanges. The insurance companies are profit-limited in that line of business under Obamacare rules.

They are making those profits administering Medicare, Medicaid, and through selling Medicare supplements.

In any case, none of that money is available to pay higher salaries to nurses.

 

[The Tradition]

What happens when people pay the same premiums but the insurance companies no longer make massive profits? Would there be more or less money available to pay health care providers what they deserve?

LOL, no... the government will give that money to the military.

 

[aflachawk]

How do we solve this problem? It's serious.

Girls are being told to not become nurses. "Become doctors" all the woke people are telling them! And the men aren't stepping up to the plate to take these jobs.

Accordingly, there are not enough nurses entering the profession to take care of everyone who needs care. There is a serious nursing shortage in this country, and it's getting worse. And the average age of nurses is rising. They're going to start retiring in massive numbers. There are not enough young people entering the profession.

Wages are rapidly rising, but that's not helping. And the companies that are paying more to get their ever-smaller slice of the labor market pie can't just raise prices to pay for it. The reimbursement rates are set by the government and the insurers, not the providers.

"Medicare for All" isn't going to fix this problem. Opening the floodgates to everybody will make the situation worse.

I'm going to need a nurse one day and so are you. What are we going to do about this?

luckily I am married to one and I am dying first

 

[Brian_Fantana]

Can’t speak for other states but nurses in Twin Cities are paid very well (guessing because they have a powerful union which is for another discussion) and every one I know gladly chooses the 3, 12 hour days vs 5, 8 hour days if allowed.

 

[aflachawk]

Where do you think hospitals get their money?

What happens when people pay the same premiums but the insurance companies no longer make massive profits? Would there be more or less money available to pay health care providers what they deserve?

its will not go to the providers, it will go to a very inefficient government