If iowa looses to Nebraska and beats MSU in the title game, doesn't it work both ways? If not, I guess I'd be puzzled. Either way we should beat Nebby but loosing is a possibility.
What say you?
What say you?
They say if MSU wins out they are in.
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Sort of, but they do have wins @ Michigan, @Ohio State, and Oregon. Plus they had good timing with the loss, but then allowed to propel with W vs Ohio State, and then us.
There's a chance Iowa would get in. MSU is highly ranked, big stage, Nebraska is a 'look ahead' trap for Iowa, etc.
Maybe KF just needs to make a big deal about 'resting' his starters for the championship game, (ala NFL). The committee would accept that, wouldn't they?.
Maybe KF just needs to make a big deal about 'resting' his starters for the championship game, (ala NFL). The committee would accept that, wouldn't they?.
Yeah the wins against Ohio St, Michigan and Oregon could end up being 3 top 15 wins by the end of the season. If they beat Iowa that could be 4 top 15 wins. MSU could end up being the best top 10 team when it comes to marquee wins at seasons end.
Iowa on the other hand could only have 1 top 15 win at seasons end.
Iowa on the other hand could only have 1 top 15 win at seasons end.
If Illinois pulls the win this weekend over NW we could have no wins vs top 25 teams going into the Big10 title game. We need to be undefeated to get in I think. Even if ND loses to Stanford I think it'd be tough for us to make up the ground of losing this late in the season to a team like Neb. Without some help in the other conferences.
I welcome the dilemma though....Playoff or Rose Bowl....sounds like a horrible consolation prize...
If Northwestern wins Iowa could end up with 2 wins over top 15 teams with Wisconsin and Pitt being close to the top 25. What I really don't understand in all of this is the free pass Notre Dame is getting for not being in a conference. Everyone pretty much agrees that two teams from the same conference will not get in, so how in the world do you put Notre Dame in with a loss to Clemson? If they where officially in the ACC rather than being a fringe ACC team they would be out.
Let's say Baylor and Oklahoma both finish with 1 loss, that puts OU as the likely candidate to represent the Big 12. ND gets a freebie while Baylor does not and on top of it are out because their loss was in conference.
Now Iowa beats Nebraska and losses to Michigan State, Iowa is out (I agree with this) but Iowa's only loss is to a playoff team just like ND. Iowa ends up with the same argument as Baylor and ND losing to playoff teams.
Even better is what happens if Clemson loses to NC. How do you put a one loss ND in over the team that beat them and only loss came from playing an extra game?
This whole thing is a shame with teams and conferences playing by different rules.
Let's say Baylor and Oklahoma both finish with 1 loss, that puts OU as the likely candidate to represent the Big 12. ND gets a freebie while Baylor does not and on top of it are out because their loss was in conference.
Now Iowa beats Nebraska and losses to Michigan State, Iowa is out (I agree with this) but Iowa's only loss is to a playoff team just like ND. Iowa ends up with the same argument as Baylor and ND losing to playoff teams.
Even better is what happens if Clemson loses to NC. How do you put a one loss ND in over the team that beat them and only loss came from playing an extra game?
This whole thing is a shame with teams and conferences playing by different rules.
It is actually to our benefit that Nebraska beat MSU. We will get more mileage out of a Nebraska win, if we can beat both Nebraska and MSU. It create the perception that we are clearly better than MSU, and perhaps some of their big wins would rub off on us. If we make the playoff, i just don't want to be paired with Alabama. Give me Clemson, Oklahoma, or Notre Dame.
It's not out of the question that both ND and Stanford will be bumped from the top-4 this week. But I do agree it would be very helpful if Stanford were to beat ND.
Just wait until the dust settles. I don't think ND will get a free pass. One of the criteria for the committee is a conference championship. Not the only criteria, but one of them. If Iowa/MSU both win this weekend, the B1G championship game is a play-in game for 1 spot. If Clemson wins out, they are in. If Alabama wins out, they are in. Then if Oklahoma and ND win out, it becomes interesting. I believe (but am not 100% sure) that Oklahoma would own the tiebreaker with Baylor. It would be a close call. Oklahoma's loss is bad (Texas) when compared to ND (Clemson). And ND beat Texas. Notre Dame's best wins would be Stanford (if it wins out), Pitt, Temple, Navy and USC (although USC now has 4 losses and could end with 5 if it loses to UCLA.
There could still be a bunch more chaos, if some mild upsets happen like Penn State over MSU, Stanford winning, or Florida beating Alabama in the SEC title game. But Notre Dame has to win and get some help.
If we beat MSU then we'd have 1 top 5 win and 1 top 20 and 25. They can also look at that one Michigan win as a fluke. If they say Michigan state is good enough to get in if they beat iowa yet iowa can't get in if they beat msu? Makes no sense, either way crush nebbie and we don't need to worry about it. Only thing that I worry about is a well rested team. Nebbie has had 2 weeks to prepare and rest. They have a big advantage there imo. They are gonna come out and try to set the tone. Iowa needs to smack them good and keep on them.
We just take care of business and we'll be ok. That BTTG is gonna be crazy
We just take care of business and we'll be ok. That BTTG is gonna be crazy
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The playoff is supposed to determine the best team. Assuming Clemson is in, then that should automatically eliminate Notre Dame. Clemson has already proven on the field that they are better.
Imagine the controversy if they both make the playoffs and Notre Dame beats Clemson in the championship. How can ND be crowned champ if they split their 2 games with Clemson?
Imagine the controversy if they both make the playoffs and Notre Dame beats Clemson in the championship. How can ND be crowned champ if they split their 2 games with Clemson?
Maybe it's best to relate it to the NFL. It's possible for two teams to play in the regular season and then meet in the Super Bowl. The difference is the game that matters for a championship is played in the Super Bowl. I'm not advocating ND should get in or anything, just throwing in my two cents.
So in this hypothetical situation the big 10 champion wouldn't get in? Is this the only possible situation we don't put one in the playoffs? I guess we need to wait it out and see what unfolds with ND and B12.
No..we need to beat Nebraska if we want in the play-offs. UNLESS.Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Oklahoma all lose a game and then who the hell knows. Still too many games to be played.
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