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drh1150

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Waiting for Monday night I'm wondering how next years lineup will look.

I assume Garza returns.
If Bohannon is back does he start? And instead of who?
Should Ogundele RS? But how does that prepare him for the following year when we will need him to be productive.
Does Connor start at the 4? Because Nunge, Patrick and Pemsl are all question marks.
Where do all the freshman fit in? Maybe the Murray's will help on what I see as a potentially weak front line.
The lineup of Garza, Joe T, Joe W, CJF and Jbo is intriguing for fire power but could produce problems on defense.

I know. We are knee deep in the current campaign and I'm already wondering about Oct.
 
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If JBo is healthy next year, he's starting. I would guess our lineup next year would be

JBo
CJF
Joe W
CMac
Garza

With Joe T and Nunge being the first two off the bench. Ulis and/or Perkins pick up Evelyn's minutes. I don't think Pemsl will play next year and PMac is uncertain. Murray twins and Ogundele are RS candidates. Obviously way too early to know just my thinking. Hopefully Fran learns from this year and keeps the rotation to 8-9 guys
 
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I have to believe Nunge will take Krieners minutes. With our guard depth I see no way we won’t play 4 guards. If Luka stays we will have a top 5 offense.

We will have decent D options on the pine if someone gets hot against us. It’s tempting to think abt next season, but it’s so fun to watch this years group I can wait.
 
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drh1150 said:
Waiting for Monday night I'm wondering how next years lineup will look.

I assume Garza returns.
If Bohannon is back does he start? And instead of who?
Should Ogundele RS? But how does that prepare him for the following year when we will need him to be productive.
Does Connor start at the 4? Because Nunge, Patrick and Pemsl are all question marks.
Where do all the freshman fit in? Maybe the Murray's will help on what I see as a potentially weak front line.
The lineup of Garza, Joe T, Joe W, CJF and Jbo is intriguing for fire power but could produce problems on defense.

I know. We are knee deep in the current campaign and I'm already wondering about Oct.
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I think Ogundele gets prepared for playing in the big ten by practicing against Garza for 7 months. He will learn about contact in the conference as well as a lot of good moves to use in college.
 
If Garza and JW return (I think they will) and JB is healthy Iowa should be a very good basketball team next year. IMO we need Nunge for LG backup so I hope he does not leave. Obviously, CM and CJ need to be healthy and a couple young guys need to step up as well. If all this happens Hawks can play with anybody in the country. JMO
 
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If it ain't broke don't break it. Assuming Garzilla returns, as hid dad says he will, why would we change this line up? Until proven otherwise this group plays well together.

Hell, we hang on the boards with good teams and that's the biggest team weakness.
 
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Redshirt big O and Nunge takes Kreiners role.

JBo starts with Connor at the 4.

Bigger question is which freshman cracks the 2 deeps. Probably Perkins at SG behind CJF with Patrick behind Connor or Wieskamp depending on opponent.

Murray’s and maybe Ulis redshirt, but not Ulis if we recruit another PG behind him.
 
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Dan of Pella raises a couple of interesting points.

Assuming Nunge returns to pre injury skill/strength and PMac can play, where do any of the class of 20 play? Whose taking minutes from any of the current 5 starters, or Nunge, Cordell, Jobo and Patrick?

Most kids don't like to redshirt but why burn eligibility for 60 minutes of playing time in a season?
 
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Assuming no transfers or early NBA departures... We need a healthy Nunge for the whole season next year. He needs to fill the Kreiner role of 15-20 minutes at PF or C. Ogundele may have to play next year if Nunge isn’t ready to go that many minutes and/or if Pemsl transfers or calls it a career(I don’t see a transfer for him but could see him retiring with the injuries)

One or two of the freshmen guards should be able to fill Evelyn’s minutes and the rest of the freshmen should really consider a redshirt unless one or both of the Murray kids are good enough to steal minutes from Joe or Connor at forward.

With five incoming freshmen and Patrick likely getting a redshirt, we really need at least two of them to redshirt next year to balance classes out. Plus a slimmer roster of available players seems to help Fran’s coaching with regards to minute distribution.

Also, I’m not counting on Patrick next year. I just have a worry that the problems he’s dealing with are going to linger. I hope not because we could use him to help cover for the loss of Kreiner and Nunge’s potentially limited ability after the injury. But there are more important things than b-ball.
 
Herky T Hawk said:
Assuming no transfers or early NBA departures... We need a healthy Nunge for the whole season next year. He needs to fill the Kreiner role of 15-20 minutes at PF or C. Ogundele may have to play next year if Nunge isn’t ready to go that many minutes and/or if Pemsl transfers or calls it a career(I don’t see a transfer for him but could see him retiring with the injuries)

One or two of the freshmen guards should be able to fill Evelyn’s minutes and the rest of the freshmen should really consider a redshirt unless one or both of the Murray kids are good enough to steal minutes from Joe or Connor at forward.

With five incoming freshmen and Patrick likely getting a redshirt, we really need at least two of them to redshirt next year to balance classes out. Plus a slimmer roster of available players seems to help Fran’s coaching with regards to minute distribution.

Also, I’m not counting on Patrick next year. I just have a worry that the problems he’s dealing with are going to linger. I hope not because we could use him to help cover for the loss of Kreiner and Nunge’s potentially limited ability after the injury. But there are more important things than b-ball.
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Isn't Jordan going to take Bakari's minutes? Probably some of CJ and Joe T's as well? There should be no competitive minute in a game next year when two of those three shouldn't be on the floor.
 
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The Deplorable Sleeping Dog said:
Isn't Jordan going to take Bakari's minutes? Probably some of CJ and Joe T's as well? There should be no competitive minute in a game next year when two of those three shouldn't be on the floor.
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Fair point. I said in a different thread that I wouldn’t be surprised to see JBo come off the bench for some instant offense and then play more at crunch time at the end. I don’t think he’ll be playing 30 minutes a game to try to prevent his hip from getting hurt again. That leaves a few minutes for one of the freshmen guards, maybe more if we give CJ a little more rest next year.

I think a 9 deep lineup could work with one of Ulis or Perkins playing depending upon where JBo plays.
Ballhandlers- Joe T, JBo (or Ulis if JBo plays SG)
Shooters/slashers- CJ, Joe W, Connor, Perkins(unless JBo is here)
Bigs- Garza, Nunge, Pemsl (swap Ogundele in if one can’t go)

I don’t see the Murray kids getting more than spot minutes next year unless they light the world on fire. Patrick would be useful to play high/low alongside Garza if he can go and could take some of Pemsl’s minutes.
 
With due respect to Joe T and Ulis I don’t see J Bo riding the pine while they start.

My biggest concern is that J Bo disrupts the flow of getting the best look at crunch time and the rest of the team defers to him to go one on one. Often that leads to a difficult or contested shot. I’ll grant you he knocks a lot of em down, but I’m very comfortable going to Luka, CJF, or Joe W at the end of the game if they have open looks.

If J Bo plays within the offense we could see his shooting percentages jump and the middle really open even wider.
 
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Just throwing this out there when we talk minutes. What are the chances of CMac leaving to focus on baseball? Love how he helps this team but at some point he needs to think about his future as an athlete at the pro level. If that’s something he wants.
 
We lose Bakari, Kreiner and Pemsl(retirement) if Nunge and Pmac were healthy this year
Pemsl would never had played.
Jbo will take Bakari’s minutes and can play off guard as well. Perkins and Ulis aren’t going to play much unless we get in serious foul trouble or they are better than JT and CJF . There isn’t enough minutes to go around.
Nunge should take Kreiner’s minutes. We can go small with Connor at the 4 too!
I don’t know if PMac ever plays. I worry about this kid’s health. If he can’t go then there is going to be opportunity forsome minutes for one of the Murray twins.
Ogendule is a 5 and will backup Garza.
 
The Deplorable Sleeping Dog said:
Dan of Pella raises a couple of interesting points.

Assuming Nunge returns to pre injury skill/strength and PMac can play, where do any of the class of 20 play? Whose taking minutes from any of the current 5 starters, Nunge, Cordell, Jobo and Patrick will they take?

Most kids don't like to redshirt but why burn eligibility for 60 minutes of playing time in a season?
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One of the advantages of the "lower rated" recruiting classes might be that they have some serious degree of being open to redshirting? The Murray twins are at the school they most wanted, they know they are late bloomers, and they have a mature dad who would give them great perspective on the benefits of redshirting. Ulis, Perkins, Ogundele understand the lineup and depth at their positions. I believe that Ulis and Perkins probably understand that their best chance (if they have any) of some day playing in the NBA is to take the time necessary to develop everything about their games...and that having the time to do that is vital. These are my assumptions..and I understand that they are only that.
 
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Aren't you the one who said Garza might grad transfer? That's also been rumored for Jbo.

We don't know about the health of JBO, Nunge, Pemsl or Patrick.

We don't know if Joe W will try for the nba or Connor goes to baseball. Unlikely but possible.

We don't have any clue what the freshman will be able to do.

We don't know whose actually going to be on the roster next year or what kind of condition they'll be in.

Lot of unknown variables.

I would never get my hopes up for all the chips to fall in place for Iowa basketball.
 
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If Bohannon is 100% healthy, he's starting. Gotta think Fran sticks with the "four guards and Garza" approach next season, assuming everyone who can return does.

Bohannon, CJ, Wieskamp, Connor, Garza are your starters. First guys off the bench are Joe T., Nunge and Patrick (if healthy). If Pemsl can get right and wants to stick it out another year, slot him in as 9th man. But it also wouldn't surprise me if he decided to graduate this year and move on from basketball. We'll see.

As for the freshmen, it's really up in the air. Fran isn't the kind of coach to force someone to redshirt. He will be straight with them about their opportunity for playing time, where they are developmentally, how they're doing with the playbook, and what they could accomplish if they sit out a year. So it'll all depend on what that opportunity looks like and what the players decide to do.

The player with the biggest opportunity as a freshman is probably Josh Ogundele. If Garza goes pro, we'll definitely need him. If not, we'll want to get him some experience so he's ready to take on a larger role as a sophomore.
 
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There's going to be a drop off for whoever replaces Kreiner next year. Connor will definitely be on the court a lot because Iowa needs his ball-handling and understanding of the offense. I could see JBo coming off the bench and that would be a good thing to have some firepower to give CJF and Joe T. a breather. I really think Joe T., with his defense, will be the starter at point next year.

The bigger issue is the front court without Kreiner. Nunge has basically had two redshirt years now and his only full year was his true freshman season--we really don't know what he'll bring, but I can't imagine him being better than Kreiner after a two-year layoff off the court while also coming off a serious injury. Who knows if PMac will continue to have ongoing health issues?

The key will be Garza and Wieskamp returning for another season. All the more reason to stay focused on this year. We know what we have with this group and they are damn exciting to watch. Too many unknowns for next year at this point.
 
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Ballhawk1221 said:
The player with the biggest opportunity as a freshman is probably Josh Ogundele. If Garza goes pro, we'll definitely need him. If not, we'll want to get him some experience so he's ready to take on a larger role as a sophomore.
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I generally agree with this sentiment but there might be another realistic scenario.

We’ve seen or heard that he’s battled injury and illness and due to factors like this he’s not in very good shape......IF (Big IF) he comes into next season in less than top shape it MIGHT be best that he redshirt and spend next year getting into shape, learning from Luka, learning the system and refining his game?
 
perryhawk said:
I generally agree with this sentiment but there might be another realistic scenario.

We’ve seen or heard that he’s battled injury and illness and due to factors like this he’s not in very good shape......IF (Big IF) he comes into next season in less than top shape it MIGHT be best that he redshirt and spend next year getting into shape, learning from Luka, learning the system and refining his game?
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If he's not in shape, then sure, redshirt him. But IMO his opportunity is the greatest among all five 2020 freshmen.
 
Eternal Return said:
There's going to be a drop off for whoever replaces Kreiner next year. Connor will definitely be on the court a lot because Iowa needs his ball-handling and understanding of the offense. I could see JBo coming off the bench and that would be a good thing to have some firepower to give CJF and Joe T. a breather. I really think Joe T., with his defense, will be the starter at point next year.

The bigger issue is the front court without Kreiner. Nunge has basically had two redshirt years now and his only full year was his true freshman season--we really don't know what he'll bring, but I can't imagine him being better than Kreiner after a two-year layoff off the court while also coming off a serious injury. Who knows if PMac will continue to have ongoing health issues?

The key will be Garza and Wieskamp returning for another season. All the more reason to stay focused on this year. We know what we have with this group and they are damn exciting to watch. Too many unknowns for next year at this point.
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Did you imagine last year that Kriener would become the player he is this year? I didn't think so. Nunge is as skilled or more skilled than Kriener was at this stage of his career. Nunge faced arguably tougher competition in HS and did better than Kriener did in HS. I have a feeling that if he can get healthy, Nunge will become a very good player for Iowa.
 
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Kreiner’s game this year is like a lite version of Garza. Some decent post moves, and an occasional set shot 3pter or mid-range jumper. That is pretty similar to what he has done his whole career, he just improved to where he is.

Nunge started out as a better player out of big school, but his game is different from Garza and Kreiner. He doesn’t seem to have the post moves those guys do and prefers to be out at the three point line. With his body, he needs to learn how to bang inside so that he is in position to score and rebound. Being almost 7ft with a long wingspan doesn’t help you rebound at the 3pt line. Hopefully he can see the light about what he needs to work on and hopefully Fran gives up on the Nunge as a SF experiment.
 
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Zero chance Joe T starts over JoBo especially if he continues to pound the ball and not find shooters. Book it.
 
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