Totally disagree. Get excited, get your hopes up. Believe in the team. It’s more fun that way when we win. If we lose, shrug? We can handle it. I expect to win the BIG this season. Wooopdie doo if it doesn’t happen.
Thinking of next year
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I'd like to see the current starters now next year with Fran starting Joe T or JBo depending on the match up. Doubt Fran will do that because he likes to keep the same starters but either way he'll play matchups during a game anyways.
I agree with those saying Big O might be the least likely freshman to redshirt. Even if Nunge comes back near 100%, I think it is a good idea to have 3 bigs available. If he isn't ready and needs a year to prepare his body and game, that is still OK, as long as Luka and Nunge are totally available. I will be surprised if Pemsl is back. I am still in the camp that Nunge could become a very good player, with a higher ceiling than Kriener, who has been really good.
I could see JBo starting or being the spark off the bench, assuming JoeT continues to improve, but he will get significant minutes either way. Connor can play anywhere except 5, which gives Fran lots of options. I hope PMac gets healthy enough to play, and that might determine whether either twin plays next year. I like both of the freshman guards coming in, but getting many minutes would mean they are really good.
I could see JBo starting or being the spark off the bench, assuming JoeT continues to improve, but he will get significant minutes either way. Connor can play anywhere except 5, which gives Fran lots of options. I hope PMac gets healthy enough to play, and that might determine whether either twin plays next year. I like both of the freshman guards coming in, but getting many minutes would mean they are really good.
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I get what you're saying, but the difference is that Kreiner had three years straight of playing a full season with the Hawks. He showed flashes that he was capable of this type of play. Sort of like with Woodbury, he finally played at the level people had expected (at least with defense and rebounds) once he was a senior. With a lot of big guys it seems to take a few years for things to click, for them to reach their potential.
I'm not saying Nunge can't do that, but I think it would be unexpected for him to come in and play at a high level next year (especially the first half of the year) after not playing for two full years. It takes time for most big guys to get used to playing against the physicality and speed of other big men--in the B10, especially. It sucks that he got hurt this year, but I do think he'll eventually be a good player for Iowa. I just don't think next year will be that year, though. He'll provide minutes, though, which is good.
Next year will be Nunge's 4th with the team. He did play the first year and averaged over 16 minutes per game. Last year he practiced with the team all year when he wasn't injured, and this year he practiced and played in the pre-season until his injury. His recovery is 4 - 6 months with another 3 months to get back into playing shape, so that would put him at full speed by August. He'll be more than ready by fall practice.
He definitely should get evaluated. After that it comes down to projected draft position / can he improve with another year at Iowa / does he enjoy being at Iowa and want to potentially lead the team deep in the NCAA tournament in 2021.
I'm biased but to me it seems he enjoys playing college ball more than T Cook did. I could be wrong about that - just my impression.
Of course he will "consider" it. As of now, he has still not generated hype from NBA scouts and is not even thought of as a draft pick. Garza probably figures he would increase his NBA stock if he sticks around for another dominant season, where he can also leave a legitimate mark on the Big 10/college basketball as one of the better players. Imagine being a potential 2x player of the year? Anyways, that would seem to be more rewarding and appealing to me than coming out after this year and having to fight for a spot on a team in the D League.
I really like the 8 man rotation, so if I could make the decisions it would be:
Garza/Nunge
CMac/Pemsl
Joe W/CMac
CJF/JBo
JBo/Joe T
I think it's probable Pemsl will call it a career. I love the guy as a Hawkeye, but it has to be frustrating to him to know his game is so limited as compared to what it even was as a freshman...all due to injury. If he does not return, either a healthy PMac, or the better Murray twin (not sure which one) gets those minutes.
The freshman all agree to spot minutes, or redshirt.
That being said, I do believe Fran will grow the rotation back to 9-10, pushing 2 or 3(w/out Pemsl) of the freshmen into regular roles.
Garza/Nunge
CMac/Pemsl
Joe W/CMac
CJF/JBo
JBo/Joe T
I think it's probable Pemsl will call it a career. I love the guy as a Hawkeye, but it has to be frustrating to him to know his game is so limited as compared to what it even was as a freshman...all due to injury. If he does not return, either a healthy PMac, or the better Murray twin (not sure which one) gets those minutes.
The freshman all agree to spot minutes, or redshirt.
That being said, I do believe Fran will grow the rotation back to 9-10, pushing 2 or 3(w/out Pemsl) of the freshmen into regular roles.
Don't be too certain that Cordell won't return. If he can continue to improve physically, he can contribute. For someone who has worked through some serious medical issues, I expect his determination to play is stronger that most of us realize.
Pemsl is 100% a team player and he will ultimately base his decision for next year on what's best for the team,.. If the team needs him and he's capable of providing what the team needs, he will play...
Well put. Another thing I just thought of. Obviously a good idea to finish you degree, with the future job opportunities that provides.
But also the B1G "street cred" that Luka would build after another year, he opens career opportunities beyond playing basketball. Coaching or a career at BTN...
Thinking of guys like Robbie Hummel, short pro career, but enjoy seeing him on BTN. Jess Settles does a nice job too.
I definitely hope you're right. Obviously, my concerns are just my opinion, no basis in how he's played as a redshirt last year. I guess I'm just trying to temper my expectations, but having a 6'11 guy who's been in the program should be a good thing.
I'd agree with this. I think Frederick is special and his defensive prowess gets him the nod over JBo. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens.
To amplfy your response to the original poster, whether or not a player gets drafted is not greatly correlated to numbers they put up in college. It's about whether the player's game can project to the NBA. Garza and the NBA have been discussed ad nauseum on this board.
If he's not a projected 1st round pick (I can't imagine he will be, but I am not a draft expert) it would seem wise for him to come back, get his degree and then go forward with his pro career, wherever that may be. Garza coming back and having another dominant year will not move his pro stock much one way or the other.
Well if he's ready to go full speed by next August, he can work on those moves, and defending them against one of the best post players in the country. Just like RK has done the last couple of years, iron sharpens iron.....
All depends on whether hes projected as a 1st rounder.
If not theres not allot of incentive too leave early.
Yeah, Iowa can always use a guy that's capable of 2 or more turnovers every game. That and having 14 or 15 players on scholarship, I doubt Fran is going to pull Connor & Patrick's scholarships to keep the limit at 13....speaking of scholarship limits when was the last time Fran had a full compliment of 13 scholarships....think about that for a while.....has he ever had 13 scholarship players on a roster at one time in his years here at Iowa?
Yes I'm critical of Pemsl, this is his 4th year at Iowa and for someone that's gone through bad knees and other aliments, he's not the same player that arrived at Iowa and played some spectacular basketball as a freshmen. Those day's are long gone as he can't jump, is not quick enough to play defense, has zero confidence on offense, and is a turnover waiting to happen.
It will be interesting who doesn't come back next year, Pemsl and Till are the likely candidates.
It has been mentioned that Garza graduates this May. Hopefully, he returns for another season as the Hawks will be a really good and deep team and could challenge for a National Championship in 2021.
Why is Bohannon sure to start? What does he bring? Bad defense, no penetration? Great shooting yes, but we have that with CJ and Wieskamp. He should come off bench. Play Ulis, he will be a great one. So: JT, Connor/Ulis, CJ, Wieskamp, and Garza.
I get what you are saying but I would give him a slightly less severe review that I think is realistic. Defense: Joe T clearly better than JBO. Penetration: Joe T is better but JBO does on occasion penetrate. Running the offense (getting the whole team to run better stuff) JBO is the clearly better choice at this point. Providing another significant offensive weapon to spread the floor even more: JBO clearly better than Joe T. That gives Luka more room to operate....JBO also provides that offensive spark in games like last night and vs Nebraska where we just need someone to hit a couple of 3s and our chances of winning improve dramatically.
Last but not least....You will have a 5th year senior who is one of the programs ALL TIME greats in terms of 3 point shooting, assists, and hitting late game important baskets..and Fran is extremely loyal. My guess, Fran's loyalty along with those other factors and JBO starts assuming he is 100%.
Bottom line, it's a great problem to have.....it also provides great flexibility with two completely different types of weapons at the point. I would also bet money that if JBO is completely healthy and on his game, he and Joe T will be on the floor together at times.
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So many unknowns between now and next season. Let's enjoy this one while it lasts. Trying to predict what a rotation might be next year has so many dependencies.
If all of the following are true (Garza back, Wieskamp healthy, Bohannon healthy, Nunge healthy) a core of Garza, Conor Mc., Wieskamp, Frederick, Toussaint, Bohannon Nunge and whatever other new perimeter player can play a few minutes is what I would like to see. Many other things can happen aside from that, I have no idea. I do know trying to fit 10-11 guys into regular playing time next year will not be good. Doesn't matter who they are, but Garza, Wieskamp, Frederick are really good players and they need to play as many minutes as they can handle.
I want the best overall player to start next year whether they are a fifth year senior or a true Soph. Let the coaches decide. The non starter will get some playing time in relief. Fresh bodies win games, especially if itbis a brawl like last night.
I Think Ogundele plays. Its the best way for him to learn and minutes will help if Garza goes down. Nunge might start. He did this year and he brings things to the court that cannot be replicated. I also believe Joe T might get the starting call over JBO. The twins redshirt along with Ulis
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I think we have to boil this down to 9 man rotation, maybe 10. I dont really care who starts, its irrelevant, all about minutes.
Top 10 in minutes NEXT YEAR:
Garza (If Luka leaves for NBA, kind of blows up strategy, we would need big minutes from every big if he does: Josh, Nunge, Pemsl....Can Connor play Center? JK).
Weiskamp
CJF
Connor
J-Tou
JoBo
Josh O*
Keegan M (I predict by B1G season, he is playing significant minutes for a bench player).
PMac (The more muscle he can add, the more minutes he will get. I have concerns, others below would move up otherwise)
Kris M
Perkins-RS
Ulis-RS
*Nunge - He is a massive wildcard, I know he is more seasoned than Josh O and was in the starting lineup this year, but am predicting that the athleticism and bounce will pass up Jack for minutes. If Nunge's rehab goes really well, AND Josh O develops a bit more slowly, then could see Jack cracking the top 7.
Pemsl - Very limited minutes
Till- Very limited minutes
Top 10 in minutes NEXT YEAR:
Garza (If Luka leaves for NBA, kind of blows up strategy, we would need big minutes from every big if he does: Josh, Nunge, Pemsl....Can Connor play Center? JK).
Weiskamp
CJF
Connor
J-Tou
JoBo
Josh O*
Keegan M (I predict by B1G season, he is playing significant minutes for a bench player).
PMac (The more muscle he can add, the more minutes he will get. I have concerns, others below would move up otherwise)
Kris M
Perkins-RS
Ulis-RS
*Nunge - He is a massive wildcard, I know he is more seasoned than Josh O and was in the starting lineup this year, but am predicting that the athleticism and bounce will pass up Jack for minutes. If Nunge's rehab goes really well, AND Josh O develops a bit more slowly, then could see Jack cracking the top 7.
Pemsl - Very limited minutes
Till- Very limited minutes
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