This Is Why Golf Is The Sport Of Gentlemen

[TennesseeWaltz1]

Rory Mcilroy ‏@McIlroyRory 16h16 hours ago

2 inevitable things happened today, @JDayGolf winning a major and @JordanSpieth getting to 1 in the world! Congrats guys!! Inspiring stuff!

 

[Funky Bunch]

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

One would be very-hard pressed to find something not to like about Rory, Jordon, or Jason.

You could throw Justin Rose and few others in there too. Golf is in great shape.

 

[thewop]

Oh, and all this year's major champions also played in the Z Foundation Classic in Cedar Rapids this year. So clearly the road to major championships goes through Cedar Rapids...

 

[INXS83]

Rory Mcilroy ‏@McIlroyRory 16h16 hours ago

2 inevitable things happened today, @JDayGolf winning a major and @JordanSpieth getting to 1 in the world! Congrats guys!! Inspiring stuff!

Don't forget Bubba making a mountain out of an ant hill.

 

[INXS83]

Rory Mcilroy ‏@McIlroyRory 16h16 hours ago

2 inevitable things happened today, @JDayGolf winning a major and @JordanSpieth getting to 1 in the world! Congrats guys!! Inspiring stuff!

Tiger who? It's amazing how the mighty have fallen.

 

[jscott78]

One would be very-hard pressed to find something not to like about Rory, Jordon, or Jason.

You could throw Justin Rose and few others in there too. Golf is in great shape.

In the post Tiger era, CBS is working hard to promote the sportsmanship now in the game. Couldn't do that before.

 

[iCRUNCH]

 

[joelbc1]

Tiger who? It's amazing how the mighty have fallen.

He's the inspiration to everyone of those players you mentioned. His mindset and his courage on the golf course has really changed the way the game is played today. Players will be trying to break ElTigre's records for many years to come.

 

[Greenway4Prez]

Oh, and all this year's major champions also played in the Z Foundation Classic in Cedar Rapids this year. So clearly the road to major championships goes through Cedar Rapids...

Elmcrest needs to market the eff out of this.

If Zach can get them all to come back next year, holy smokes.

 

[ilhawkeye]

He's the inspiration to everyone of those players you mentioned. His mindset and his courage on the golf course has really changed the way the game is played today. Players will be trying to break ElTigre's records for many years to come.

What records? The only ones he holds that I can think of is consecutive weeks at number 1 and a few other random ones but none of great significance. He hasn't beat Jack and Sammy for the big ones.

 

[joelbc1]

What records? The only ones he holds that I can think of is consecutive weeks at number 1 and a few other random ones but none of great significance. He hasn't beat Jack and Sammy for the big ones.

How old are you, ilhawk? Do you have NO historical perspective regarding golf? Are you familiar with the game? Or, are you just flaming?

 

[TennesseeWaltz1]

He's the inspiration to everyone of those players you mentioned. His mindset and his courage on the golf course has really changed the way the game is played today. Players will be trying to break ElTigre's records for many years to come.

Please joel...the Fawn Club has cancelled the rest of their meetings...

 

[QChawks]

Love me some PGA golf.

Good clean fun.

 

[fivecardstud14]

What records? The only ones he holds that I can think of is consecutive weeks at number 1 and a few other random ones but none of great significance. He hasn't beat Jack and Sammy for the big ones.

Need the laughing icon after reading this gem.

 

[Lone Clone]

What records? The only ones he holds that I can think of is consecutive weeks at number 1 and a few other random ones but none of great significance. He hasn't beat Jack and Sammy for the big ones.

He is the only golfer ever to possess the trophies of the four Majors at the same time.

 

[theIowaHawk]

What records? The only ones he holds that I can think of is consecutive weeks at number 1 and a few other random ones but none of great significance. He hasn't beat Jack and Sammy for the big ones.

Amazing how some people feel they have to diminish past accomplishments in order to attack a person today.

From FiveThirtyEight on Spieth's great season thus far:

In adjusted z-score seasons (read it to figure it out), it places Tiger's major runs as the top 3, and 8th best ever. No reason to discount his accomplishments. What Tiger did in 2000 (19 under) was definitely more impressive than what Day just did.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

He is the only golfer ever to possess the trophies of the four Majors at the same time.

I still think what Spieth did this year in the Majors is more impressive. He won the first two majors, finished 4th in the Open and 2nd in the PGA. He loses the PGA to a guy who shoots a Major record 20 under par. Plus, the guys he's beating now Day, Rose, Rory, Z Johnson, aren't mental midgets. These guys aren't like the guys Tiger faced against and beat on Sun to win his Majors. Phil was a choker (and I love Phil). Tiger wouldn't have intimidated the guys who are at the top of the game today. Plus, it's like Tiger was juicing. His body is breaking down now that they've started testing and he has to be off the juice.

 

[pocha444444]

What records? The only ones he holds that I can think of is consecutive weeks at number 1 and a few other random ones but none of great significance. He hasn't beat Jack and Sammy for the big ones.

Now that's some funny stuff right there

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Amazing how some people feel they have to diminish past accomplishments in order to attack a person today.

From FiveThirtyEight on Spieth's great season thus far:

In adjusted z-score seasons (read it to figure it out), it places Tiger's major runs as the top 3, and 8th best ever. No reason to discount his accomplishments. What Tiger did in 2000 (19 under) was definitely more impressive than what Day just did.

I don't love that method because it could just be saying the golfers, overall, sucked in the prior era or the year Tiger won those Majors. IMO the young golfers (Rose, Spieth, Zach Johnson, Rory, Day) are all better than what Tiger was facing. Phil was probably his closest rival and Phil sucked on Sun. He was Mr. Meltdown on Sun.

Think about it from a baseball perspective. Say the Cardinals win 115 games this year. Does this make them one of the great teams of all time because they have a standard dev above 2.0 (I'm just using an example) over the mean? No, it could very well be the NL teams really suck this year. A 95 win team might in actuality be the best team ever if they were facing a lot of good baseball teams that year.

This is why it's so difficult to judge players/teams from different generations, and I don't think "z-score seasons" solve the problem.

 

[theIowaHawk]

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Ok, let's simplify: Are Jack and Tiger the two best golfers of the last 50 years?

It isn't like there is a whole lot of debate on this. Tiger's accomplishments stand for themselves, regardless of his current play.

 

[SoonerBeAHawk]

Whatever you may think of Tiger's competition you gotta remember he generally piss-pounded everyone.

In his Tiger Slam (2000/2001) he won by 15, 8, a playoff (Bob May), and by two strokes over David Duval. Duval back then was a force, btw.

In 2000 he had a total of 9 wins, including 6 consecutive and an 11 shot WGC win. In 2001 he won another WGC event and The Players.

I like Jordon a lot but Tiger's Slam still rules, imo.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Ok, let's simplify: Are Jack and Tiger the two best golfers of the last 50 years?

It isn't like there is a whole lot of debate on this. Tiger's accomplishments stand for themselves, regardless of his current play.

Yes, but that wasn't the part I was disputing. My disagreement was about the conclusions arrived at from the article you linked.

In all fairness though, it is nice to see you post something other than a thread about same sex marriage.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Yes, but that wasn't the part I was disputing. My disagreement was about the conclusions arrived at from the article you linked.

In all fairness though, it is nice to see you post something other than a thread about same sex marriage.

Too many people are now on the gays side, time I switch to the religious conservatives....they are so outnumbered now.

 

[longliveCS40]

Tiger decimated the competition in his prime. Tiger decimated golf courses in his prime.

Courses had to make major changes to try to Tiger proof their course.

Tiger is an idiot but he's one of the top few golfers to ever play the game.

I think Spieth is amazing and look forward to seeing what he can do in the future. I think he's proof that golf is more a mental than physical game. He didn't have the bombing drives but he had the finesse and the mental toughness. It's impressive.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Spieth is actually longer than he is straighter. Before last week he was 74th in driving distance and 85th in accuracy. So he's not as short of a hitter as his reputation. Also, 2008 Woods was better than 2000 Woods.

 

[Titanhawk2]

I thought for sure this was a post of John Daly's tossing of his club into the lake after three balls in the water off the tee.

 

[longliveCS40]

Spieth is actually longer than he is straighter. Before last week he was 74th in driving distance and 85th in accuracy. So he's not as short of a hitter as his reputation. Also, 2008 Woods was better than 2000 Woods.

74th in driving distance is hitting short for a guy contending for wins. It is especially obvious when he's paired with someone like Dustin Johnson or Jason Day. He's 20 yards behind those guys hitting his second shot.

His accuracy I suppose could be better but he scrambles so well it's amazing. Some of the sand shots and bad lie shots he's made are incredible. That's the part of his game that reminds me of prime Tiger. Making shots other golfers cannot.

He's like an even better version of Zach Johnson as much as I like Zach.

 

[Besthawkfan]

Tiger loved them steroids. I wonder if they are all on them now? I don't see it.

 

[Greenway4Prez]

Spieth plays poorly and shoots 70. Rory plays poorly and shoots 75. I've never seen anyone recover like Jordan, ever.

Jordan, Rory and Zach were the featured group on the PGA Championship App, and I watched as much of them as I possibly could. Their 17th hole on Thursday sums up Jordan and Rory perfectly. Jordan picked the wrong club to start with, then chunks it and ends up 30 yards short of the green. Rory hits a beautiful high draw with his 4-iron, and puts it 12' away on a tough pin. Jordan hits a wonderful pitch shot out of the intermediate cut to about 18". Rory misses his birdie putt. Both make par.

I've been on the Rory train for several years, as I feel like he is the most talented golfer on the planet. But, and slieb has tried to tell me this, Rory leaves may too many putts out there. Far too many rounds where you think, "If he would've hit more of those 12-15 footers...." He has to learn how to score better than he plays. Spieth has an ability to do that, and very few players have shown it.

 

[fredjr82]

So clearly the road to major championships goes through Cedar Rapids...

Your move Quad Cities. Your move

 

[longliveCS40]

Spieth plays poorly and shoots 70. Rory plays poorly and shoots 75. I've never seen anyone recover like Jordan, ever.

Jordan, Rory and Zach were the featured group on the PGA Championship App, and I watched as much of them as I possibly could. Their 17th hole on Thursday sums up Jordan and Rory perfectly. Jordan picked the wrong club to start with, then chunks it and ends up 30 yards short of the green. Rory hits a beautiful high draw with his 4-iron, and puts it 12' away on a tough pin. Jordan hits a wonderful pitch shot out of the intermediate cut to about 18". Rory misses his birdie putt. Both make par.

I've been on the Rory train for several years, as I feel like he is the most talented golfer on the planet. But, and slieb has tried to tell me this, Rory leaves may too many putts out there. Far too many rounds where you think, "If he would've hit more of those 12-15 footers...." He has to learn how to score better than he plays. Spieth has an ability to do that, and very few players have shown it.

Yeah, that is pretty spot on. When Rory is healthy, he has the physical tools to be the best player on tour. I'd say Dustin Johnson is right there with him in that they're both big physical guys that crush the ball. Neither have, thus far, shown they have the short game/mental game of Spieth.

On the Tiger steroid topic, he very well could have been on steroids. I have no idea either way. The plethora of injuries and the association with questionable people in the steroid game seem to point to yes but it's possible he's just naturally that strong.

I honestly don't think the guys on tour now are on steroids. I think the culture is simply different today. Instead of beer bellied guys out there on tour, you have guys that are working out religiously in the weight room in addition to on the course.

 

[Besthawkfan]

Yeah, that is pretty spot on. When Rory is healthy, he has the physical tools to be the best player on tour. I'd say Dustin Johnson is right there with him in that they're both big physical guys that crush the ball. Neither have, thus far, shown they have the short game/mental game of Spieth.

On the Tiger steroid topic, he very well could have been on steroids. I have no idea either way. The plethora of injuries and the association with questionable people in the steroid game seem to point to yes but it's possible he's just naturally that strong.

I honestly don't think the guys on tour now are on steroids. I think the culture is simply different today. Instead of beer bellied guys out there on tour, you have guys that are working out religiously in the weight room in addition to on the course.

There is a book, "Who's Your Caddie" that tells all about the Tiger Steroid era. Many will suggest that it wouldn't improve your golf game but they would be wrong. Steroids improve focus, confidence, strength, endurance, etc, etc. Many things that can improve your golf game.

 

[whatsup12579er]

Whatever you may think of Tiger's competition you gotta remember he generally piss-pounded everyone.

In his Tiger Slam he won by 15, 8, a playoff (Bob May), and by two strokes over David Duval. Duval back then was a force, btw.

In 2000 he had a total of 9 wins, including 6 consecutive and an 11 shot WGC win. In 2001 he won another WGC event and The Players.

I like Jordon a lot but Tiger's Slam still rules, imo.

This. He beat the best golfers in the world by 15 strokes in a MAJOR. This current group of guys is a blast to watch and golf is in good hands for the next couple decades but you will be hard pressed to find someone who can do what Tiger did.

 

[Funky Bunch]

There is a book, "Who's Your Caddie" that tells all about the Tiger Steroid era. Many will suggest that it wouldn't improve your golf game but they would be wrong. Steroids improve focus, confidence, strength, endurance, etc, etc. Many things that can improve your golf game.

The John Daly chapter was awesome. I don't remember anything about steroids.

 

[ilhawkeye]

How old are you, ilhawk? Do you have NO historical perspective regarding golf? Are you familiar with the game? Or, are you just flaming?

37. Very familiar with the game of golf. Outside of the pebble U.S. open and the tiger slam, I'm still waiting to see all of the records tiger holds (that others are going to try and break).

I got blasted a little because you all think I believe that tiger isn't the greatest. I don't and I think he is second best to Jack. I'm not diminishing what he has done but if you look at the 2 records he wants and probably the 2 that matter most to him, he doesn't have them. So I will stand by my statement. Players today aren't trying to break his records. They're trying to break jack and Sammy's records.

Furthermore, I do believe tiger was taking PEDs and I also think his competition sucked.

The game of golf is a lot different now and that is all because of tiger. Players needed to get fit and strong. Having said that, a lot of sports and athletes are better now due to training methods.

 

[joelbc1]

37. Very familiar with the game of golf. Outside of the pebble U.S. open and the tiger slam, I'm still waiting to see all of the records tiger holds (that others are going to try and break).

I got blasted a little because you all think I believe that tiger isn't the greatest. I don't and I think he is second best to Jack. I'm not diminishing what he has done but if you look at the 2 records he wants and probably the 2 that matter most to him, he doesn't have them. So I will stand by my statement. Players today aren't trying to break his records. They're trying to break jack and Sammy's records.

Furthermore, I do believe tiger was taking PEDs and I also think his competition sucked.

The game of golf is a lot different now and that is all because of tiger. Players needed to get fit and strong. Having said that, a lot of sports and athletes are better now due to training methods.

Therefore, eventhough there is testing and he passed all tests....Tiger was taking PEDs because you think so. Gottcha. I have filed it away.

 

[iCRUNCH]

Tiger was a cheat, he was on the juice

 

[ilhawkeye]

Therefore, eventhough there is testing and he passed all tests....Tiger was taking PEDs because you think so. Gottcha. I have filed it away.

He was using the same blood spinning doctor that Arod was. But I'm sure he was clean as a whistle. Shoot, just look at him in 1997 and then in 2000. It's not in the same zip code of a body.

I don't just think it. Those are observations I have made due to news stories about the blood spinner and pictures of him from those 3 years

 

[joelbc1]

He was using the same blood spinning doctor that Arod was. But I'm sure he was clean as a whistle. Shoot, just look at him in 1997 and then in 2000. It's not in the same zip code of a body.

I don't just think it. Those are observations I have made due to news stories about the blood spinner and pictures of him from those 3 years

At this time, his old man wouldn't have tolerated it. He'd have beaten the livin' shit out of Tiger....Earl was "old school" and Earl raised him better than that. Spin harder.