Wow, Biden sounds terrible. We must have tons more illegals in the country now than in the past....
Oh....
US Undocumented Population Increased to 11.7 Million in July 2023: Provisional CMS Estimates Derived from CPS Data - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)
The sharp rise in arrivals at the U.S. southern border has added extra urgency to questions about the size and growth of the undocumented population.cmsny.org
You talked about crazy numbers under Biden. What we see is people moving again after the covid lock-downs were removed. We don't see a dramatic change to historic numbers.Cool, your chart shows Biden's administration reversing a 12-year decline in the number of illegals in three years. Yes, definitely Biden was no different at all.
LOL, from your own link...yes, definitely nothing changed under Biden. It's just our lying eyes.
You guys are poisoned with partisanship if you literally can't look and objectively see a significant increase in undocumented immigrants under Biden, and a total reversal of trends going back through Obama and beyond.
According to the Times, the total number of 2021-23 arrivals is the highest in U.S. history over any three-year span, and by a share of the total U.S. population, it is the highest in nearly 175 years.
Now, if you want to argue that there has been a marked increase under Biden, and that's great, we should be welcoming more undocumented immigrants, this is a great trend, then have at it. That's an intellectually honest argument you can make.
Or you could say it's not a good thing, it's a bad thing, but is still better than a wall existing, or deporting people.
Or you could say that it's not a good thing, but it definitely does not warrant the entirety of Trump's immediate executive actions (which I would agree with BTW).
But promoting the idea that the massive rise in arrivals and crossings and getaways etc just doesn't exist, it's a Republican myth...that's just such an absurd position to take. It shows no more appreciation for reality than the MAGA insistance that immigrants are far more dangerous than the average American.
This is interesting to me and not from a partisan perspective. If undocumented farm workers become citizens, then they'd likely stop being farmworkers and get higher paying jobs. What that would mean is another wave of undocumented workers to fill those farm jobs. No one on either side of the political divide seems willing to admit that undocumented farm workers have been a critical component in providing relatively cheap food in America. For farmers to pay the types of wages that might attract workers who are citizens and to meet OSHA safety standards for those workers (as well as other factors), the price of food would rise quite a bit and, like oil, that would have ripple effects in all areas of the economy. It's a hell of a dilemma. For many, many decades, maybe more than a century, America has gone the route of undocumented farm workers. I seriously doubt Trump will do anything significant about undocumented farm workers; the farming industry has always functioned with slaves or undocumented indentured servants. I'm not sure what corporate farms would do if they suddenly had to pay minimum wage or higher for labor.
Americans might do those jobs if they paid a lot of money in wages, but it would likely have to be serious $. A lot of lettuce workers have serious arthritis by the time they're 30 years old (for example) so imagine how much the pay would have to be to attract Americans to do jobs that will likely cripple them over time. I agree, it's a shameful history to exploit labor in the ways the farming industry has over the course of America's history. But it's also a complete unknown to guess what fair labor practice would look like in farming--it's never been done in American history.
The delta chart you posted shows only negative numbers during the covid years.
If only you knew anything about history. Campaigning with Liz Cheney and pledging to pass the republican immigration bill is not radical. Just because Libs of TikTok, the Babylon Bee and End Wokeness (hint: these are not real sources) repeated that over and over does not make it true.
