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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Why should the border issue be included in a Ukraine funding bill? That's effing stupid.
BAU.

Why is unrelated crap stuffed into almost everything congress passes?

The R's see this as an opportunity to use leverage to get the border stuff they want.

D's have to decide if Ukraine is important enough to acquiesce.

I think Joe thinks it is so it'll probably get done.
 
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So you admit they are jeopardizing European democracy and prolonging a war that has killed thousands of Ukrainian civilians for political leverage.

Thank you.
It's only jeopardized if a deal doesn't get cut.

I don't see a "red line" that can't be crossed by Joe and Dems in what the R's are asking for.

Just cut the deal.
 
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She harmed the US military and the future of a merit based promotion for her own daughter to enable Tommy Tuberville. She's a joke. Her office has responded to me expressing support for support for Ukraine, but I guess the cult got to her. She doesn't need the cult until 2026, but I suppose like so many she's looking over her shoulder and doing the expedient thing versus the right thing.
 
There's enough votes if Joe cuts a deal on the border stuff.

The R's have been saying it needed to be linked to get passed for weeks now.

If Ukraine aid is vitally important a deal should have already been cut.
LOL. Don't herniate yourself shoving those goal posts around. Amazing that you don't expect Team Red to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. There is some disgusting stuff in the wish list over the border. Stuff that is inherently un-American. But, sure, Team Red.
 
LOL. Don't herniate yourself shoving those goal posts around. Amazing that you don't expect Team Red to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. There is some disgusting stuff in the wish list over the border. Stuff that is inherently un-American. But, sure, Team Red.
What are the “disgusting” things?
 
It was ok to have a Special Inspector General review spending in both Iraq and Afghanistan efforts.
I don't understand what possible rationale, particularly in light of Ukraine's known corruption problems, anyone clings to in order to oppose transparency on this spending.

I guess, because they know the reports will detail billions in waste and loss, they'd just rather not have the reports generated.

It's not like there is ever any accountability for it anyway.
Sure, Jan.
 
Biden debunks GOP lies about Ukraine, "There are more than 50 countries helping Ukraine with assistance. The US has put up $75 billion. Our allies have put up $100 billion. And more than 90% is being spent in the US to provide weapons for Ukraine and replenish our stockpiles"

Is it true that "more than 90% is being spent in the US"?

Is Biden lying? Just a little exaggeration?

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"+6 Russian prisoners of war."On the outskirts of the village of Synkivka, Kharkiv region, after using tanks to shell Russian positions, Ukrainian infantry rushed in to occupy a Russian trench and captured 6 Orcs"

 
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@Jimmy McGill :)

A sprawling ammunition plant in southeast Iowa is slated for $1.2 billion in upgrades over the next two years as the continuing war in Ukraine has sharply increased demand for the 155 mm artillery shells manufactured there.

The Iowa Army Ammunition Plant in Middletown, near Burlington, is one of the primary producers of the artillery shells that Ukraine is using in its fight against Russia's invasion. Shells are also being manufactured at the Scranton Army Ammunition Plant in Pennsylvania. Already the U.S. has shipped more than 1.5 million rounds to Ukraine, but Kyiv is seeking more.

Reuters reported in September that the U.S. plans to ramp up its monthly production of the artillery shells to 100,000 in 2025. Production already has stepped up to 22,000 a month, about double what it was six to eight months ago.

Local officials estimate the current civilian workforce at 830. A spokesperson for the Army's Joint Munitions Command said additional hiring is expected as construction takes place.

It’s unclear whether the 155 mm shells also will be an important component in Israel’s developing war with Hamas. A U.S. military official told the Des Moines Register that information on specific armaments being provided to Israel cannot be disclosed at this time.

However, Breaking Defense reported in August that Israel was stepping up purchases of 155 mm shells to replace some 300,000 the U.S. had sent to Ukraine from storage in Israel, where they had been available to the Israeli military.


 
It was ok to have a Special Inspector General review spending in both Iraq and Afghanistan efforts.
I don't understand what possible rationale, particularly in light of Ukraine's known corruption problems, anyone clings to in order to oppose transparency on this spending.

I guess, because they know the reports will detail billions in waste and loss, they'd just rather not have the reports generated.

It's not like there is ever any accountability for it anyway.
The Special Inspector General for spending in Iraq and Afghanistan says that the US is doing everything it can to monitor spending in Ukraine right now without actually sending personnel to Ukraine. That's from an interview with Teri Gross a few months back. Any more accounting for spending will require boots on the ground. You in for that?
 
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Why should aid to Ukraine be dependent on anything else? What do you think the GOP will demand next time?
The package in the senate has Israel, gaza and taiwan aid in it as well. Why not border security if they're throwing that all together?

It's been known that R's wanted border security tied to it for well over a month now...should have been serious negotiations on that front since Schumer tossed the house Israel aid bill....

Hopefully Joe can step in and get it done.
 
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Could be wrong but if the Democrats agree to fund U.S. border security as part of the aid package wouldn’t the package pass thus sending aid to Ukraine?
Biden already did, but Republicans moved the goalposts again. The last thing the GOP wants is an agreement on border security. They need that issue to bludgeon the democrats with. If they reach an agreement, what's left for them to campaign on? Abortion? The visibility of minorities in public spaces?
 
@Jimmy McGill :)

A sprawling ammunition plant in southeast Iowa is slated for $1.2 billion in upgrades over the next two years as the continuing war in Ukraine has sharply increased demand for the 155 mm artillery shells manufactured there.

The Iowa Army Ammunition Plant in Middletown, near Burlington, is one of the primary producers of the artillery shells that Ukraine is using in its fight against Russia's invasion. Shells are also being manufactured at the Scranton Army Ammunition Plant in Pennsylvania. Already the U.S. has shipped more than 1.5 million rounds to Ukraine, but Kyiv is seeking more.

Reuters reported in September that the U.S. plans to ramp up its monthly production of the artillery shells to 100,000 in 2025. Production already has stepped up to 22,000 a month, about double what it was six to eight months ago.

Local officials estimate the current civilian workforce at 830. A spokesperson for the Army's Joint Munitions Command said additional hiring is expected as construction takes place.

It’s unclear whether the 155 mm shells also will be an important component in Israel’s developing war with Hamas. A U.S. military official told the Des Moines Register that information on specific armaments being provided to Israel cannot be disclosed at this time.

However, Breaking Defense reported in August that Israel was stepping up purchases of 155 mm shells to replace some 300,000 the U.S. had sent to Ukraine from storage in Israel, where they had been available to the Israeli military.



I know. I'd do that if it wasn't moving 4 kids and wife down there.
 
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Biden already did, but Republicans moved the goalposts again. The last thing the GOP wants is an agreement on border security. They need that issue to bludgeon the democrats with. If they reach an agreement, what's left for them to campaign on? Abortion? The visibility of minorities in public spaces?
That's why it's a win/win for Joe heading into 2024.

Get Ukraine aid and basically take the border off the table as an issue in 2024.

Hopefully the light bulb turns on to that....just get a deal done. win/win.

I think it ultimately happens...
 
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Maybe. I think in the end Joe/Schumer/D's will cut the deal.

Border is a major topic for R constituents so they're gonna want something to point to...
And there it is something to point to. Not to something that actually does anything to address the real problem with the border. Fix the hiring of illegals and it all trickles down.
 
That's why it's a win/win for Joe heading into 2024.

Get Ukraine aid and basically take the border off the table as an issue in 2024.

Hopefully the light bulb turns on to that....just get a deal done. win/win.

I think it ultimately happens...
But can he get them to take yes for an answer. This has been done before and it’s never enough.
 
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