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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

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The practice helps Russian troops evade surveillance, and their dispersal makes it more difficult to target them with drones and artillery. These assaults, according to numerous reports, are fueled by coercion, with threats of violence or jail if they surrender or retreat.
The small assault team tactic is familiar to Ukrainians, who leveraged the practice last fall in taking back villages held by Russians. But the key difference now, soldiers said, is Russia has combined the concept with its advantages in munitions and a tolerance for losses. New communications equipment has also helped Russian commanders better organize assaults, soldiers have said, and increased the proficiency of drone attacks.

Recently on a training range in the Donetsk region, soldiers from the 68th Jaeger Brigade practiced with U.S.-made .50-caliber and M240 machine guns at night.
The soldiers had just fought north of Selydove, where Russian troops have made gains. Vitalii, a junior lieutenant, described how the small teams of clearly well-trained Russian troops were coming down roads covered by Ukrainian machine guns and getting mowed down.
“They don’t spare people, and their men are forced to move through those paths. And in the last place where we were working, there’s a crossroads completely littered with bodies, and they keep coming, because they have orders,” he said. “There’s already a mass of them. Everything is black with corpses.”
Some Ukrainians are heartened by the large numbers of enemy dead, but that comfort appears to be diminishing, as Moscow willingly sacrifices whole battalions of soldiers for advances.
“It just happens that we constantly need to fall back,” said Vitalii, giving just his first name in accordance with Ukrainian military protocol, “because the Russians have much more strength.”
As the Russians take more ground, the effects are rippling back from the front lines and civilians are fleeing from towns now in range of Russia’s weaponry.
In Myrnohrad, a small town east of Pokrovsk, a small team of construction workers scoured a bombed-out hospital to salvage any functional medical equipment. They paced back and forth, broken glass crunching under their boots, to ready the last piece of hardware — an MRI machine destined for a hospital further from the front.
The Russians destroyed a major bridge nearby, cutting off resupply for Ukrainian units in the area for days, one of the workers said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of concern of being publicly identified. Soldiers had already been through, looking for syringes, IV bags and other medical supplies, he said. They left behind rooms covered in shattered concrete and folders of doctor’s notes for patients who may never return.
The workers had a tight window to accomplish their salvage at the hospital while Russian forces appeared to be focusing on other targets, he said, desperate to get out of there and rejoin his family before strikes resumed.
“As soon as I finish,” he said, “I will go.”
 
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The practice helps Russian troops evade surveillance, and their dispersal makes it more difficult to target them with drones and artillery. These assaults, according to numerous reports, are fueled by coercion, with threats of violence or jail if they surrender or retreat.
The small assault team tactic is familiar to Ukrainians, who leveraged the practice last fall in taking back villages held by Russians. But the key difference now, soldiers said, is Russia has combined the concept with its advantages in munitions and a tolerance for losses. New communications equipment has also helped Russian commanders better organize assaults, soldiers have said, and increased the proficiency of drone attacks.

Recently on a training range in the Donetsk region, soldiers from the 68th Jaeger Brigade practiced with U.S.-made .50-caliber and M240 machine guns at night.
The soldiers had just fought north of Selydove, where Russian troops have made gains. Vitalii, a junior lieutenant, described how the small teams of clearly well-trained Russian troops were coming down roads covered by Ukrainian machine guns and getting mowed down.
“They don’t spare people, and their men are forced to move through those paths. And in the last place where we were working, there’s a crossroads completely littered with bodies, and they keep coming, because they have orders,” he said. “There’s already a mass of them. Everything is black with corpses.”
Some Ukrainians are heartened by the large numbers of enemy dead, but that comfort appears to be diminishing, as Moscow willingly sacrifices whole battalions of soldiers for advances.
“It just happens that we constantly need to fall back,” said Vitalii, giving just his first name in accordance with Ukrainian military protocol, “because the Russians have much more strength.”
As the Russians take more ground, the effects are rippling back from the front lines and civilians are fleeing from towns now in range of Russia’s weaponry.
In Myrnohrad, a small town east of Pokrovsk, a small team of construction workers scoured a bombed-out hospital to salvage any functional medical equipment. They paced back and forth, broken glass crunching under their boots, to ready the last piece of hardware — an MRI machine destined for a hospital further from the front.
The Russians destroyed a major bridge nearby, cutting off resupply for Ukrainian units in the area for days, one of the workers said, speaking on the condition of anonymity out of concern of being publicly identified. Soldiers had already been through, looking for syringes, IV bags and other medical supplies, he said. They left behind rooms covered in shattered concrete and folders of doctor’s notes for patients who may never return.
The workers had a tight window to accomplish their salvage at the hospital while Russian forces appeared to be focusing on other targets, he said, desperate to get out of there and rejoin his family before strikes resumed.
“As soon as I finish,” he said, “I will go.”
Pretty high and unsustainable price to win back a a few dozen square kilometers.
 
Bet they took out the power lines and whatever else helps move the electricity. EDIT - from later info it looks like they hit an ammo dump in the general area. Less lead the Ukraine forces in Kursk will have to face.





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Russia must have oil reserves far back east. Because I can't see how all these strikes on oil facilities in the west are not making the price of gas in Russia nearly impossible to drive.
 
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Ukraine-Russia war live: US hits back as Zelensky accuses West of ‘dragging out’ long-range weapons delivery​


The US has hit back after Volodymyr Zelensky said Western partners are “dragging out” a decision over Kyiv’s request to strike Russia with its long-range weapons.

“We need sufficient quantity and quality of weapons, including long-range weapons, that, in my opinion, our partners are already dragging out,” Mr Zelensky said alongside new Nato chief Mark Rutte yesterday. “We will continue to convince our partners of the need to shoot down Russian missiles and drones,” he said.

The Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh reacted to Mr Zelensky’s remarks. “We have a limited supply of long-range missiles” and “we are not dragging it out,” she said.

On the war frontline, the Ukrainian military chief said he has ordered defences to be strengthened in the eastern Donetsk region after pulling out of Vuhledar. Ukraine’s armed forces commander General Oleksandr Syrskyi said he was working on “one of the hottest front sectors” with the 25th Sicheslav Airborne Brigade.

Mr Zelensky acknowledged the loss of Vuhledar, saying moving troops out and preserving lives was the critical issue.

 
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Ukraine-Russia war live: US hits back as Zelensky accuses West of ‘dragging out’ long-range weapons delivery​


The US has hit back after Volodymyr Zelensky said Western partners are “dragging out” a decision over Kyiv’s request to strike Russia with its long-range weapons.

“We need sufficient quantity and quality of weapons, including long-range weapons, that, in my opinion, our partners are already dragging out,” Mr Zelensky said alongside new Nato chief Mark Rutte yesterday. “We will continue to convince our partners of the need to shoot down Russian missiles and drones,” he said.

The Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh reacted to Mr Zelensky’s remarks. “We have a limited supply of long-range missiles” and “we are not dragging it out,” she said.

On the war frontline, the Ukrainian military chief said he has ordered defences to be strengthened in the eastern Donetsk region after pulling out of Vuhledar. Ukraine’s armed forces commander General Oleksandr Syrskyi said he was working on “one of the hottest front sectors” with the 25th Sicheslav Airborne Brigade.

Mr Zelensky acknowledged the loss of Vuhledar, saying moving troops out and preserving lives was the critical issue.

My thoughts on why we stubbornly refuse to push things to far by giving Ukraine more and longer range weapons are we have some compelling intel that as Putin gets closer and closer to the end, he is a threat to launch nukes at Ukraine in a final “if I can’t have it, nobody can”. Russia will never launch nukes at the US or NATO. But as the end gets near, I have always felt they are capable of lobbing some at Ukraine.
 
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My thoughts on why we stubbornly refuse to push things to far by giving Ukraine more and longer range weapons are we have some compelling intel that as Putin gets closer and closer to the end, he is a threat to launch nukes at Ukraine in a final “if I can’t have it, nobody can”. Russia will never launch nukes at the US or NATO. But as the end gets near, I have always felt they are capable of lobbing some at Ukraine.
Agree.

That has to be the administrations calculus...nothing else makes sense.
 
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My thoughts on why we stubbornly refuse to push things to far by giving Ukraine more and longer range weapons are we have some compelling intel that as Putin gets closer and closer to the end, he is a threat to launch nukes at Ukraine in a final “if I can’t have it, nobody can”. Russia will never launch nukes at the US or NATO. But as the end gets near, I have always felt they are capable of lobbing some at Ukraine.

Well, I hope you are right. But I would not be willing to gamble Europe on that without lockstep intelligence. I highly doubt we have that intelligence. He murders people around him all the time.
 
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No; it will be "engaging in defense" of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

Tie it to the numerous incursions of drones, etc on NATO territory, and that NATO will cease shooting them down 3 months after the last Russian incursion and/or attack on a school or hospital.

3 months of defense for every occurrence, intentional, or not. Deal with it, Vlad.
 
My thoughts on why we stubbornly refuse to push things to far by giving Ukraine more and longer range weapons are we have some compelling intel that as Putin gets closer and closer to the end, he is a threat to launch nukes at Ukraine in a final “if I can’t have it, nobody can”. Russia will never launch nukes at the US or NATO. But as the end gets near, I have always felt they are capable of lobbing some at Ukraine.

If they do this, then we'll give them those radiated sections of Ukraine.
Ukraine can have Moscow and other regions of Russia after that regime falls; Russians can live in the area they bombed.
 
No; it will be "engaging in defense" of civilians and civilian infrastructure.

Tie it to the numerous incursions of drones, etc on NATO territory, and that NATO will cease shooting them down 3 months after the last Russian incursion and/or attack on a school or hospital.

3 months of defense for every occurrence, intentional, or not. Deal with it, Vlad.
The most ironic part of this is, of course, what happened during the Vietnam War. Russia sent dozens, if not hundreds, of anti-aircraft weapon systems to North Vietnam *along with the crews to man them!* Totally openly, as well. Even pictured in newspapers opperating the weapons while training the Vietnamese. John McCain was shot down by a Russian made and crewed system.
 
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