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This Team Can Win Out

How am I being a dick? By pointing out that Iowa has looked average this season far more than they have looked elite and using the nearest data points in our head to head match ups? I know it is not a great look for Iowa but they are relevant points. If they come out like they did against OSU they will win the National Championship, but the reality is that Ferentz is always good for at least one of these upsets a year where the team plays out of its mind. Usually they revert to the mean afterwords. Iowa could win this game, but based on what I have seen of these programs over the last 3-4 years I like the chances of UW playing well enough to get the W at home quite a bit. Chryst isn't going to give his RB 6 carries.
Wadley for 200 all purpose yards and three touchdowns. How do you attack the 3-4, zone blocking. Go away.
 
Caliber of competition is a lot different in September. The fact Iowa has 10 losses in September given the crap non-conference schedule they play speaks volumes.

Iowa has had plenty of mediocre seasons, no doubt. The point is Iowa traditionally gets better as the season wears on, particularly in November. When you look at the teams ranked in the Top 5 that Iowa has taken down, they've all occurred in November (Penn State '08, Michigan '16, and Ohio State '17). The Michigan State win in 2010 was October 30.

So, yes, my point stands.
No shit, I was more pointing towards October and November. Not much difference there. The facts do not support the argument.
 
Lol.

He's just a die-hard Badger fan who happens to be going to extraordinary lengths on an Iowa message board to convince himself Iowa has no shot on Saturday. Give the kid a break. His anxiety is through the roof right now.

From about 10 inches above on this very same page I state "Iowa can absolutely win this game." In fact in every post I have made I have stated that I expect Iowa to play well and it to be a hard fought game. I just think that Uw is going to win. That is not at all the same as saying Iowa has no shot.

If you want to dismiss someone for trying to talk football on a football message board at least be good at it and cover your bases.

I'm excited that we have a big game against our biggest rival, again not the same as being anxious about the outcome. I'm not usually a big poster on these boards because people tend to attack the messenger and ignore the actual football content (AHEM, AHEM) and that is lame, but I visit all the B1G sites/forums several times a week. This season I am posting because this team is different. Long time observers can see it on the field, local media can feel it in the locker room and each team we have played has been thankful that the score wasn't worse because the game felt like a beatdown as you watched it in real time. Iowa is an excellent program, and basically our brother in a lot of aspects. I have tremendous respect for your guys. I just think the Badgers are better this season and that that will be reflected on the field Sat. We shall see.
 
While I wouldn’t go to the extreme of anointing the Badgers one of the greatest FB teams in history as our overzealous visitor, I won’t dismiss them, either.

Wisconsin wins...period. Every year people say they aren’t that good, or underestimate them. Last season they were supposed to lose a bunch of games because of their murderer’s row of a schedule. They didn’t. This year “they haven’t played anybody.” They haven’t lost to anybody either.

All Wisconsin does is win. Year in and year out.

Can the Hawks win Saturday? Sure they can. They have an excellent chance. But it won’t be easy.

If Wisconsin runs the table they deserve to be in the playoffs.

Hopefully Iowa ends that on Saturday!
 
Yes the terrible straw man of pointing out your wins and losses with some supporting statistics thrown in there to confuse the issue even more. LOL.

So now that the calendar has switched to November the College Football Fairy has sprinkled their magic Ferentz dust and that game against Minnesota from 8 days ago is totally irrelevant? Or the Northwestern game from 15 days ago? But my arguments are the flimsy ones that are trying too hard lol.

Strength of schedule is not the trump card of college football. It doesn't mean that all other data inputs are rendered moot. We can see how this team looks and weigh that against the schedule. Wisconsin isn't Boise State where they play one power 5 team a year and it is impossible to get a real grasp on their team. We saw most of these same players play 6 top 10 teams last season and play them well.

What supporting statistics? All you've talked about is how great Wisconsin is because of these impressive wins over the likes of Purdue, Indiana, Maryland, etc. and then focused entirely on Minnesota and NW as a fair encapsulation of Iowa's season. That's pretty much your entire point, which you choose to elongate into an insanely boring novella (that apparently you confuse to mean strengthens an argument). Btw, I haven't made any sort of statement on how great Iowa has looked and played all season, and to the best of my knowledge no Iowa fan has on here, either. Fyi.

Actually, yes, the Minnesota and Northwestern games are irrelevant. They were against Ohio State and they will be come Saturday. You don't win games based upon what you did the week or month before. You win games based upon how you play that day. All I've simply pointed out is history indicates that Iowa usually gels in November. Usually. What that means for next Saturday is anyone's guess.

So, yes, point belabored or not, you saw the Ohio State game and shit your pants about as fast as the smug grin was wiped off your face. You had penciled in the Iowa game as another cakewalk game and now aren't so sure. So now you're over here going to extraordinarily ridiculous lengths to convince yourself that Iowa has no shot against Wisconsin on Saturday. It's not that hard to figure out what you're doing. If you needed a titty suck that bad, I don't know why you didn't just stay on the Badger board. I'm sure there are plenty of people on there happy to tell you how awesome the Badgers are and trumpet how bad Iowa looked against Northwestern and Minnesota.
 
From about 10 inches above on this very same page I state "Iowa can absolutely win this game." In fact in every post I have made I have stated that I expect Iowa to play well and it to be a hard fought game. I just think that Uw is going to win. That is not at all the same as saying Iowa has no shot.

If you want to dismiss someone for trying to talk football on a football message board at least be good at it and cover your bases.

I'm excited that we have a big game against our biggest rival, again not the same as being anxious about the outcome. I'm not usually a big poster on these boards because people tend to attack the messenger and ignore the actual football content (AHEM, AHEM) and that is lame, but I visit all the B1G sites/forums several times a week. This season I am posting because this team is different. Long time observers can see it on the field, local media can feel it in the locker room and each team we have played has been thankful that the score wasn't worse because the game felt like a beatdown as you watched it in real time. Iowa is an excellent program, and basically our brother in a lot of aspects. I have tremendous respect for your guys. I just think the Badgers are better this season and that that will be reflected on the field Sat. We shall see.
Hey dumb azz. You said Connie wins by 2-3 touchdowns. You 're a troll and don't really know much about B1G football.
 
Wadley for 200 all purpose yards and three touchdowns. How do you attack the 3-4, zone blocking. Go away.

We had the same 3-4 since 2014 and Iowa has been zone blocking since the 90's. Last year you gained 85 yards on 27 carries against this 3-4, in '15 it was 144 yards on 40, '14 was 101 on 28. The strength of this entire Badger team is its D line, and front 7 in general. 200 yards would be surprising to me but not crazy but most of them would be through the air I'm guessing.
 
From about 10 inches above on this very same page I state "Iowa can absolutely win this game." In fact in every post I have made I have stated that I expect Iowa to play well and it to be a hard fought game. I just think that Uw is going to win. That is not at all the same as saying Iowa has no shot.

If you want to dismiss someone for trying to talk football on a football message board at least be good at it and cover your bases.

I'm excited that we have a big game against our biggest rival, again not the same as being anxious about the outcome. I'm not usually a big poster on these boards because people tend to attack the messenger and ignore the actual football content (AHEM, AHEM) and that is lame, but I visit all the B1G sites/forums several times a week. This season I am posting because this team is different. Long time observers can see it on the field, local media can feel it in the locker room and each team we have played has been thankful that the score wasn't worse because the game felt like a beatdown as you watched it in real time. Iowa is an excellent program, and basically our brother in a lot of aspects. I have tremendous respect for your guys. I just think the Badgers are better this season and that that will be reflected on the field Sat. We shall see.

Lol. It's a little innocent teasing. Chill. You're on an Iowa board, what do you expect?

I think most Iowa fans respect the Wisconsin program. A lot of times I read on here how Wisconsin (football and basketball) has established the model for what non blue blood programs should aspire to. And I agree with that. So I think there is a healthy respect from Iowa fans.

I understand why you would think that Wisconsin is improved. You may be right, who knows. All I've consistently said is you don't know for sure until you start playing better competition.

And lol, okay, okay, I'll get off your case about being here for a titty suck. ;)

But dang, you must really love Wisconsin football. Wowzer.
 
Hey dumb azz. You said Connie wins by 2-3 touchdowns. You 're a troll and don't really know much about B1G football.

2-3 scores is not the same as 2-3 touchdowns. I expect it to be in the 10-20 point range at the end but closer for most the game. Where have I posted something wrong about the B1G? What is it that I am getting so wrong that you feel the need to call me a dumb ass?
 
Lol. It's a little innocent teasing. Chill. You're on an Iowa board, what do you expect?

I think most Iowa fans respect the Wisconsin program. A lot of times I read on here how Wisconsin (football and basketball) has established the model for what non blue blood programs should aspire to. And I agree with that. So I think there is a healthy respect from Iowa fans.

I understand why you would think that Wisconsin is improved. You may be right, who knows. All I've consistently said is you don't know for sure until you start playing better competition.

And lol, okay, okay, I'll get off your case about being here for a titty suck. ;)

But dang, you must really love Wisconsin football. Wowzer.

Lol I've been chill, as I said its a rivalry game. I just expect a higher level of trolling/ribbing. :)

I expect a battle, good luck.
 
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No shit, I was more pointing towards October and November. Not much difference there. The facts do not support the argument.

That Iowa doesn't typically look better later in the season?

All you listed were win/loss totals for each month. That doesn't tell you much, like who they played or wins/losses at the beginning of October vs. toward the end of October etc.

Again, I said typically Iowa plays their best football in November. No, it's not an exact science and yes, there are seasons when they don't look good all year. As a general trend, I think what I said is pretty accurate. The fact that all of Iowa's upsets over Top 5 teams have occurred around Halloween or later is supporting evidence.
 
Caliber of competition is a lot different in September. The fact Iowa has 10 losses in September given the crap non-conference schedule they play speaks volumes.

Iowa has had plenty of mediocre seasons, no doubt. The point is Iowa traditionally gets better as the season wears on, particularly in November. When you look at the teams ranked in the Top 5 that Iowa has taken down, they've all occurred in November (Penn State '08, Michigan '16, and Ohio State '17). The Michigan State win in 2010 was October 30.

So, yes, my point stands.
Does it though? Let’s be real, KF teams of late have not improved much over the course of the season like they seemingly did early on in his career at Iowa. The Bowl game perfomances don’t exactly bolster your argument either.
 
2-3 scores is not the same as 2-3 touchdowns. I expect it to be in the 10-20 point range at the end but closer for most the game. Where have I posted something wrong about the B1G? What is it that I am getting so wrong that you feel the need to call me a dumb ass?
It's a rivalry game. Two equally matched teams. Go back and look at the scores the last 20 years. Iowa has played a top ten SOS so far. Wisconsin, not so much. It's not a 2-3 touchdown game in Wisconsin's favor.
 
Does it though? Let’s be real, KF teams of late have not improved much over the course of the season like they seemingly did early on in his career at Iowa. The Bowl game perfomances don’t exactly bolster your argument either.

Wow. This has really struck a nerve with some people. Lol.

I do agree that was more the case early on in Ferentz's tenure than it has been in his latter years. The fact is Iowa has had quite a few mediocre seasons this decade in which the team just never played well. So I concede that point. My thinking largely centered on the upset wins over Top 5 teams that all occurred around Halloween or later and the 3 seasons (2008, 2013, 2016) in which they looked like they were headed for another mediocre season then finished winning 3 straight in November to post an 8-win season. 2010 is the only season I can recall in which the team completely fell apart in November after starting out well.

Bowl games occur 5 weeks after the end of the season, so I don't necessarily think they correlate with how a team is playing in November. But the last few bowl appearances have left a lot to be desired, no doubt.
 
I am thinking the Iowa coaching staff learned something yesterday. The offense was so much more dynamic than they had been. Did Kirk fully hand over the reigns? Execution was better too, but it wasnt just better execution. If that offense shows up again we win.
 
It's a rivalry game. Two equally matched teams. Go back and look at the scores the last 20 years. Iowa has played a top ten SOS so far. Wisconsin, not so much. It's not a 2-3 touchdown game in Wisconsin's favor.

Sure on average the scores are always close. But 2 or 3 score wins do happen. 4 of the last 10 have had at least a 10 point margin, so not all that rare. I just don't buy that the schedule means everything, this is a veteran UW team. I have seen these same guys on the D line play for 4 years now against teams like Alabama, OSU, USC, Aub, PSU, MSU, LSU and Iowa. I have seen 3 of our 4 secondary starters for those same 4 years. The Oline has mostly started together for three years now, I have seen them grow and gel together against those same top tier programs. This is a really, really good Wisconsin team.

FYI Vegas line is currently -13 UW.
 
Sure on average the scores are always close. But 2 or 3 score wins do happen. 4 of the last 10 have had at least a 10 point margin, so not all that rare. I just don't buy that the schedule means everything, this is a veteran UW team. I have seen these same guys on the D line play for 4 years now against teams like Alabama, OSU, USC, Aub, PSU, MSU, LSU and Iowa. I have seen 3 of our 4 secondary starters for those same 4 years. The Oline has mostly started together for three years now, I have seen them grow and gel together against those same top tier programs. This is a really, really good Wisconsin team.

FYI Vegas line is currently -13 UW.
Yep. I'm a small time gambler. I bet $100 per week on games just for fun. I'm thinking $500 on that line, $1,000 if I can hide it from my wife.
 
Sure on average the scores are always close. But 2 or 3 score wins do happen. 4 of the last 10 have had at least a 10 point margin, so not all that rare. I just don't buy that the schedule means everything, this is a veteran UW team. I have seen these same guys on the D line play for 4 years now against teams like Alabama, OSU, USC, Aub, PSU, MSU, LSU and Iowa. I have seen 3 of our 4 secondary starters for those same 4 years. The Oline has mostly started together for three years now, I have seen them grow and gel together against those same top tier programs. This is a really, really good Wisconsin team.

FYI Vegas line is currently -13 UW.
Oh NO not the vegas line. The one that had Iowa a 20 point dog yesterday?
 
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The strength of this entire Badger team is its D line, and front 7 in general. 200 yards would be surprising to me but not crazy but most of them would be through the air I'm guessing.

Yesterday we heard that Ohio St possibly had the best D line in the country, and they had 2 or 3 negative yardage plays. I'm expecting a dogfight, but I think the Iowa coaches know that they need to pass in order to set up the run this year.
 
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Oh, and one other thing people need to realize about this last game that has noting to do with 'game planning' or play calling. This game we had 'drive extending' penalties called on the defense on at least 2 drives that we scored on, as opposed to the 'drive killing' penalties we have had called on our offense so many times this year. But some of you want to blame the coaches, lol.
 
That Iowa doesn't typically look better later in the season?

All you listed were win/loss totals for each month. That doesn't tell you much, like who they played or wins/losses at the beginning of October vs. toward the end of October etc.

Again, I said typically Iowa plays their best football in November. No, it's not an exact science and yes, there are seasons when they don't look good all year. As a general trend, I think what I said is pretty accurate. The fact that all of Iowa's upsets over Top 5 teams have occurred around Halloween or later is supporting evidence.
We beat #5 MSU by 31 at home and then dropped the final 3 regular season games. We beat #15 Michigan on Nov.5 in 2011 and then proceeded to lose 2 of 3. We beat #3 Michigan and won the last two. There's no real trend here. The only common denominator is that all of the big wins have been at home. Our last top 15 win away from Kinnick was 2009. 0-5 since then. Let's see if we can break that trend
 
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