***Thomas Meyer Commits!***
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but we are talking about piers. he started all 4 years at bama and was a mainstay there. in my mind a player who logs such meaningful experience at iowa is regarded far better in nfl. consider nick dejong who is the ultimate ol joke at iowa. he's going to run circles around what piers accomplished when it comes to nfl.
LOL….yes they are. But you know, they’re holding the team accountable & won’t accept mediocrity. You know, like I’m sure they do in their own life….doh!
I doubt that Dejong will be drafted, and Pierschbacher was injured during his stint with the Lions. I am not advocating for going to Alabama. but Iowa has swung and missed on 4* guys as well, especially recently, while Bama is consistently putting OL in the league especially in the 1st. Again, I'll say it could just be a numbers game.
Now do a list of all the top 3 instate talents that have been retained over the course of that time (I mean you had to go all the way back to Arrington to try to make your argument). Three of the folks on that list are either busts or have not/never did anything worth commenting on. If you think that the occasional recruit is not going to test the waters at another program the you are delusional. You should only give a rip about the ones we lose out on to ISU and even with those (and I understand this is a really hard concept) have allegiance to ISU or grew up with bad parents that exposed them to ISU at an early age.
It is not going to be 100% and to demand it be 100% is just dumb.
This was not part of the topic at hand, and I will also say that until Bama drops off, I would be leery to make such a claim.
His point is way off base,
- Fidone is nothing special
- Bollers has done very little
- Martin was a bust.
- Proctor - got that bag
- Pierschbacher has done well enough for himself and would have been helpful for sure, Alabama came calling and you cannot blame him, he has ring(s?) for it
- Duggan was never interested
- Arrington was good, we had better receivers/passing game than we do now so while he could have been an impact I am not positive he would have won us more games. Also Michigan, see Alabama
- Darboh, see Arrington
- Depaepe I admit I recall the name but do not recall where he went, how long ago it was or if he has done anything since going there/leaving there
Or school they commit too. NEB stole the #1 QB prospect from Georgia, then he was suddenly the #2 ranked QB in the class.
Anyone that ends up at the "wait til next year", perennial 4-8 program should probably drop even more.
Could be all the more work to try and keep up and his age he doesn't want to deal with it and retired.
I don’t doubt it’s part of it for older coaches.
It’s honestly the biggest reason I thought Kirk would retire after the season.
In my opinion Kirk may retire if he can get the offence straightened out and also get to the percent needed to the hall of fame.
Welcome Thomas! I didn't think you would commit this early but I'm thrilled you did. You are going to be a star at Iowa!
Depaepe = Michigan State, and he was never really an Iowa kid. Passed thru the state his last few years and by previous accounts of others on the board was never considering Iowa (Dad influence according to said other posters).
These are exactly my points, Kirk has done a great job with the overall top 10 kids in Iowa but when you don’t have top 150-200 kids growing on trees in your state you have keep at least half of them regardless of who’s coming after them. He’s done better since XN’s class but that’s been a bugaboo for a lot of his tenure.
Agree
Pierschbacher is probably the worst miss because he stayed at BAMA and had a very solid career.
Proctor came home after one year so didn't miss a lot
Duggan was probably never looking at Iowa because of our offense scheme.
Which is unfortunate because when we had to pass after falling behind a few games last year we were good at it. We became way too one dimensional halfway into the season. Hopefully they will try and use all the playmakers this fall and try and be at least a little more balanced.
You're embarrassing yourself. All he said is that Iowa has struggled to land highly rated in-state recruits. He's right. How they turned out is irrelevant.
It’s ridiculous to expect one school to land every prospect in the state just because said prospect is from the state. Kids choose schools for numerous reasons. Overall, Kirk has consistently done a good job of getting the top prospects in the state to Iowa. Keep in mind Kirk is also competing against Iowa State, and some are going to in the end choose Iowa State. Again, there are many factors that go into choosing a school.
Other than at the WR position, where do you see Kirk struggling to land highly rated in-state kids? Let’s be honest, there are very few kids in the state of Iowa who actually become blue-chip caliber prospects in high school.
Other than Max Duggan, is there a single high school quarterback from the state of Iowa that you could really say, “Gee, that stings he went out of state”? I don’t recall one other than Duggan.
Ross P. is about the only OL I can think of that was a significant loss. I really don’t count Proctor because I will never believe anything other than Alabama threw a bunch of cash at him at the 11th hour and he couldn’t refuse it. Otherwise, what coveted OL in the state passed on Iowa? Not many.
Thomas Fidone practically lived in Nebraska anyway, so meh (same for Max Duggan). I will gladly trade him for Noah Fant. Thank you, Nebraska. Also, has there been a TE prospect more highly rated than Thomas Meyer? I don’t recall. Perhaps you do.
Can’t think of any running backs from the state. Was Roger Craig the last one Iowa missed on? That’s going back a ways. Anyone else? How highly rated was Tavian Banks? Yes, that was Hayden, but I’m genuinely asking, who has Kirk missed on that was a major prospect at RB? I just don’t recall a single one.
On defense Bollers said no. Who else?
The only 5-star from the state that I recall said yes to Kirk and is currently on the roster. Graves was a 4-star, correct? Who else was that highly rated and passed on Iowa?
I think the only real point that can be made is any top WR prospect in the state wasn’t likely to commit to Iowa. In Kirk’s two and a half decades at Iowa, you can pretty much count those kids on one hand.
Let’s break it down. First my original post said I’m happy they are improving with top talent/national recruits starting in ‘22 (XN’s class). So prior to that let’s examine the comment.
I agree that you can’t win them all never said as much. They just haven’t won as many as they need to imo. Since Rivals started their top 250 list in 2006 to 2021 there have been 14 such top 250 players in the state. Iowa has landed just 4. To make it worse, they were 0 for 8 on such recruits from 2012 to 2021. When your talent pool is low to begin with you have to better than 28% for a hit rate.
I realize it’s an in exact science in recruiting but Iowa offered to everyone of those players so it’s not like those that didn’t pan out because they “knew better”. They just couldn’t land them. And yes I’m aware of the Josey Jewell’s and Dez King’s success stories.
Is this another commit that's gonna magically up and take his talents elsewhere for reasons "unknown"?
I would be shocked if that happened. He's been attending games since he was a tiny thing. Family and extended family are huge hawk fans/season ticket holders.
