Thoughts/Questions On PG...

[gilligan19]

Umm, Yogi won a BIG championship and took his team to the Sweet 16.

I would take that kind of season in a heartbeat. Is that not a good enough season for you or something?

but in reality he as a FR was supposed to win the BT AND COMPETE FOR THE NT, plus he had Zeller and he didn't even come close, also this year Indiana played the 14th toughest schedule in the BT.

also Crean at Indiana recruits far more 4* players as well as 5* players than Fran at IA, winning the BT with the easiest schedule in the BT and making the sweet 16 with the talent Crean has at Indiana is actually a fail, Elite 8 at the minimum and FF should have been what is expected of Yogi if he truly that Elite,

when Fran starts getting nothing but 4 and 5* talent then you can bellyache.

as I pointed out the 16-17 season will have these as 4* by ESPN
FR PG Bohanonn
RSFR SG Moss
FR PF Cook

right now 4* CG Connor is a 17 commit
top 20 SF Weiskamp is a 18 commit

it will be interesting to see who else Fran gets in the 17 class. who knows in the 18-19 season Fran could have 1 5* and 4 4* on the roster. my hope he will bet 4* TOP 40 F/C Williams
to make the lineup look like this

4* PG Bohannon
4* CG Connor
5* SF Weiskamp
4* PF Cook
4* C/F Williams
6th man 4* SG Moss
if anyone bellyaches about that lineup then need to get the F/O this site.

 

[spbc7]

winning the BT with the easiest schedule in the BT and making the sweet 16 with the talent Crean has at Indiana is actually a fail, Elite 8 at the minimum and FF should have been what is expected of Yogi if he truly that Elite,

Lol might want to research how talented Indiana was this year based on recruiting rankings in comparison to other top teams. Sweet 16 is about right.

 

[gilligan19]

Lol might want to research how talented Indiana was this year based on recruiting rankings in comparison to other top teams. Sweet 16 is about right.

not with Yogi being a super Elite stud PG that some on here claim would have made IA a FF type team. which is it a Elite PG would have made IA MUCH BETTER TEAM or is it Yogi was not a Elite PG?

many on makes statements about how Fran needs a Elite PG to take IA to the next level,

 

[CyCity]

but in reality he as a FR was supposed to win the BT AND COMPETE FOR THE NT, plus he had Zeller and he didn't even come close, also this year Indiana played the 14th toughest schedule in the BT.

also Crean at Indiana recruits far more 4* players as well as 5* players than Fran at IA, winning the BT with the easiest schedule in the BT and making the sweet 16 with the talent Crean has at Indiana is actually a fail, Elite 8 at the minimum and FF should have been what is expected of Yogi if he truly that Elite,

when Fran starts getting nothing but 4 and 5* talent then you can bellyache.

as I pointed out the 16-17 season will have these as 4* by ESPN
FR PG Bohanonn
RSFR SG Moss
FR PF Cook

right now 4* CG Connor is a 17 commit
top 20 SF Weiskamp is a 18 commit

it will be interesting to see who else Fran gets in the 17 class. who knows in the 18-19 season Fran could have 1 5* and 4 4* on the roster. my hope he will bet 4* TOP 40 F/C Williams
to make the lineup look like this

4* PG Bohannon
4* CG Connor
5* SF Weiskamp
4* PF Cook
4* C/F Williams
6th man 4* SG Moss
if anyone bellyaches about that lineup then need to get the F/O this site.

Who do you think will be better, 4* Bohannon or 3* Vital? Also why did you leave out 2* Ellingson from your potential lineup?

 

[spbc7]

not with Yogi being a super Elite stud PG that some on here claim would have made IA a FF type team. which is it a Elite PG would have made IA MUCH BETTER TEAM or is it Yogi was not a Elite PG?

many on makes statements about how Fran needs a Elite PG to take IA to the next level,

Yogi was easily an elite PG. The situation you pose isn't an either/or question. You need an above average PG no matter what, it's the talent that surrounds that PG that matters if they're not elite. Besides PG, we weren't much above average, if at all, at the 2, 5, and bench.

 

[Legend12]

Skinner was IA's Mr. BB and that is why he offered Skinner, 99% knew that Skinner should have went to UNI to play for Eldon Miller,

Dr.Tom was under a lot of pressure to keep IA kids home after seeing Lafrentz go to Kansas. so that is the only reason why Skinner even got the offer.

Skiiners best attribute was his 3 point shooting. Kent McCausland wasn't fast but he was a excellent 3 point shooter.

You effing moron.

Skinner was NOT Mr. Basketball (Wade Lookingbill was)
Skinner was offered in about 1987...when Raef was about 11 years old.

I don't care what happens that would cause you to stop posting on this board....but it cannot come soon enough.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

You are just a fountain of misinformation. Skinner was done at Iowa by the time Lafrentz graduated from HS.

Yes, in addition to getting this one wrong add on that Skinner wasn't Iowa Mr. Basketball.

IOWA’S MR. BASKETBALL AWARD WINNERS (Updated March 18, 2013) This award is chosen by the Iowa Newspaper Association at their annual All-State selections. It was started in 1981. The IHSAA does not participate in All-State selections, but lists the winners as a matter of public interest.
2013 Peter Jok, Valley, West Des Moines
2012 Marcus Paige, Linn-Mar, Marion
2011 Jarrod Uthoff, Cedar Rapids Jefferson
2010 Harrison Barnes, Ames
2009 Brennan Cougill, Bishop Heelan, Catholic, Sioux City
2008 Matt Gatens, Iowa City, City High
2007 Clayton Vette, Waverly-Shell Rock
2006 Jason Bohannon, Linn-Mar, Marion
2005 Josh Van Es, MOC-Floyd Valley
2004 Carlton Reed, Waterloo East
2003 Brooks McKowen, Wapsie Valley, Fairbank
2002 Jeff Horner, Mason City
2001 Tyler McKinney, Urbandale
2000 Glen Worley, Iowa City West
1999 Kirk Hinrich, Sioux City West & Nick Collison, Iowa Falls
1998 David Newman, Des Moines Hoover
1997 Dean Oliver, Mason City
1996 Justin Wessel, Prairie, Cedar Rapids
1995 Adam Spanich, Cedar Rapids Regis
1994 Raef LaFrentz, MFL Mar-Mac, Monona
1993 Jess Settles, Winfield-Mt. Union
1992 Eric Pothoven, Pella Christian
1991 Fred Hoiberg, Ames
1990 Mike Davis, Waterloo East
1989 Mike Bergman, Waverly-Shell Rock
1988 Wade Lookingbill, Fort Dodge
1987 Robert Johnson, Des Moines Lincoln
1986 Chris Gaines, Waterloo West
1985 Brian David, Kuemper Catholic, Carroll
1984 Al Lorenzen, Cedar Rapids Kennedy
1983 Todd Lumsden, Linn-Mar, Marion
1982 Randy Kraayenbrink, Paullina & Ted Burbach, Wahlert, Dubuque
1981 Todd Berkenpas, Maple Valley, Mapleton

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Skinner was IA's Mr. BB and that is why he offered Skinner, 99% knew that Skinner should have went to UNI to play for Eldon Miller,

Dr.Tom was under a lot of pressure to keep IA kids home after seeing Lafrentz go to Kansas. so that is the only reason why Skinner even got the offer.

Skiiners best attribute was his 3 point shooting. Kent McCausland wasn't fast but he was a excellent 3 point shooter.

Dude, you really need to get your facts straight before posting all the time. LaFrentz was probably in junior high school when Troy Skinner was at Iowa.

Also, one of the main criticisms of Tom Davis was that he relied too heavily on Iowa kids and didn't get better out of state talent.

 

[RocknRollface]

Haha. He will never admit to making up the entire Skinner Mr bball, Lafrentz scenario.

Word to the wise, herb has a never ending supply of BS and stupidity and will never admit to being wrong about anything. Don't get sucked into the insanity.

There are no winners only losers.

 

[Ycusi]

not with Yogi being a super Elite stud PG that some on here claim would have made IA a FF type team. which is it a Elite PG would have made IA MUCH BETTER TEAM or is it Yogi was not a Elite PG?

many on makes statements about how Fran needs a Elite PG to take IA to the next level,

Just curious, could you provide a link of one person saying this?

 

[hawkeyefan101160]

Valid points. At the end of the day, I agree, maybe "pure" point guards went out with big men with low post moves. I just hope we get more dynamic at the 1-2 than we have been in the past few years. You can survive a 1 who maybe doesn't have a great offensive skill set if he does other things, but we have to get more production out the 2.

Having a really good player that plays pg is ideal. There's very few Chris Paul types that play like a "true pg."

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Dude, you really need to get your facts straight before posting all the time. LaFrentz was probably in junior high school when Troy Skinner was at Iowa.

Also, one of the main criticisms of Tom Davis was that he relied too heavily on Iowa kids and didn't get better out of state talent.

Soon to be a criticism of Fran if his Iowa trio does not prove to be athletically capable of playing in the big ten. Fran's recruiting score last season is diminished with Hutton's departure and to a lesser degree Fleming. Why Fran offered Fleming remains a mystery. All the kids out there and he offers Fleming, who is a clone of Elllingson who is a clone of Oglesby. I am optimistic Ellingson can contribute at some level, but the deer in the headlights look he had in conference play does not instill a lot of confidence in me.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Looking at the list of Iowa Mr. Basketball players 2 things stand out:
1. Hawks have gotten far more of them than 'clones.
2. The very best of the bunch have left the state to play their college ball elsewhere.

 

[gilligan19]

Who do you think will be better, 4* Bohannon or 3* Vital? Also why did you leave out 2* Ellingson from your potential lineup?

Ellingon is/was not a 2* and that was starting 5 not the 2 deep
Bohannon
you don't like it make

Iowa tied for the best record in the Big Ten in Woolridges senior year and swept the team they tied with.

IA did not tie for the BT Championship, the last BT Championship occurred in Lesters JR season and IA lost in the 1st round to Witchita State.

Ansre played from 1994-1997 and IA's records by season
94-95 21-12 9-9 7TH BT 3rd rnd NIT
95-96 23-9 11-7 4th BT 2nd rnd NCAA'
96-97 22-10 12-6 t-2ND BT 2nd rnd NCAA's

strange how those season records mirror what Gesell did for IA, with one difference Gesell's 1st season IA won 25 games and reached the NIT Championship game,

and no Andre did not lead IA to a sweep of MSU as IA had not swept MSU since the game right after Streets death,

Gesell led IA to sweeps over MSU, Purdue and Michigan.

 

[CyCity]

Ellingon is/was not a 2* and that was starting 5 not the 2 deep
Bohannon
you don't like it make

IA did not tie for the BT Championship, the last BT Championship occurred in Lesters JR season and IA lost in the 1st round to Witchita State.

Ansre played from 1994-1997 and IA's records by season
94-95 21-12 9-9 7TH BT 3rd rnd NIT
95-96 23-9 11-7 4th BT 2nd rnd NCAA'
96-97 22-10 12-6 t-2ND BT 2nd rnd NCAA's

strange how those season records mirror what Gesell did for IA, with one difference Gesell's 1st season IA won 25 games and reached the NIT Championship game,

and no Andre did not lead IA to a sweep of MSU as IA had not swept MSU since the game right after Streets death,

Gesell led IA to sweeps over MSU, Purdue and Michigan.

Brady Ellingson was a 2* recruit according to ESPN which is what you use

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/183027/brady-ellingson

 

[HawkRugged17]

Ellingon is/was not a 2* and that was starting 5 not the 2 deep
Bohannon
you don't like it make

IA did not tie for the BT Championship, the last BT Championship occurred in Lesters JR season and IA lost in the 1st round to Witchita State.

Ansre played from 1994-1997 and IA's records by season
94-95 21-12 9-9 7TH BT 3rd rnd NIT
95-96 23-9 11-7 4th BT 2nd rnd NCAA'
96-97 22-10 12-6 t-2ND BT 2nd rnd NCAA's

strange how those season records mirror what Gesell did for IA, with one difference Gesell's 1st season IA won 25 games and reached the NIT Championship game,

and no Andre did not lead IA to a sweep of MSU as IA had not swept MSU since the game right after Streets death,

Gesell led IA to sweeps over MSU, Purdue and Michigan.

In 1996-97, Iowa finished tied for 2nd in the Big 10 with Purdue at 12-6. Minnesota was first at 16-2. However, the Gophers had to vacate all of the wins during that year due to the academic scandal. So, technically, Iowa finished in a tie for 1st place. History lesson over.

 

[shoot_the_three]

In 1996-97, Iowa finished tied for 2nd in the Big 10 with Purdue at 12-6. Minnesota was first at 16-2. However, the Gophers had to vacate all of the wins during that year due to the academic scandal. So, technically, Iowa finished in a tie for 1st place. History lesson over.

Kilroy doesn't let history get in the way of him being wrong.

And Kilroy are you saying that Gesell was better than Woolridge? Or just more useless stats that don't take into account the players that they played with?

 

[FranklinHawk]

He's not really saying anything, it's more this.

 

[cidhawkeye]

In 1996-97, Iowa finished tied for 2nd in the Big 10 with Purdue at 12-6. Minnesota was first at 16-2. However, the Gophers had to vacate all of the wins during that year due to the academic scandal. So, technically, Iowa finished in a tie for 1st place. History lesson over.

AND swept Purdue. Good work little buddy. The professors have taken you to school in this thread.

 

[gilligan19]

Lol might want to research how talented Indiana was this year based on recruiting rankings in comparison to other top teams. Sweet 16 is about right.

just for you by class
FR #6 C 4* Bryant
FR PF 4* Morgan
FR SF 3* Anuby
SO class SG 5* Blackmon
SO 4* SG Johnson #10 SG
JR class have no idea of who was left of these
5* PF Vonley
4* C #4 at his position Fischer
4* SF Robinson
4* SF Williams.
SR 5* Yogi

these are by ESPN, like I said I will let you look it up as to here was here , 5* Yogi was playing, 5* SG Blackmon was playing, 4* Bryant was playing, 4* PF Morgan was here and 3 Anuby was playing,

and you are saying the best they could do was the Sweet 16? gong off that IA should have been in the NIT.

IA fans would go nuts over a team made up like that.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

just for you by class
FR #6 C 4* Bryant
FR PF 4* Morgan
FR SF 3* Anuby
SO class SG 5* Blackmon
SO 4* SG Johnson #10 SG
JR class have no idea of who was left of these
5* PF Vonley
4* C #4 at his position Fischer
4* SF Robinson
4* SF Williams.
SR 5* Yogi

these are by ESPN, like I said I will let you look it up as to here was here , 5* Yogi was playing, 5* SG Blackmon was playing, 4* Bryant was playing, 4* PF Morgan was here and 3 Anuby was playing,

and you are saying the best they could do was the Sweet 16? gong off that IA should have been in the NIT.

IA fans would go nuts over a team made up like that.

Now I understand what people mean when they refer to you as Kilroy.

 

[cidhawkeye]

just for you by class
FR #6 C 4* Bryant
FR PF 4* Morgan
FR SF 3* Anuby
SO class SG 5* Blackmon
SO 4* SG Johnson #10 SG
JR class have no idea of who was left of these
5* PF Vonley
4* C #4 at his position Fischer
4* SF Robinson
4* SF Williams.
SR 5* Yogi

these are by ESPN, like I said I will let you look it up as to here was here , 5* Yogi was playing, 5* SG Blackmon was playing, 4* Bryant was playing, 4* PF Morgan was here and 3 Anuby was playing,

and you are saying the best they could do was the Sweet 16? gong off that IA should have been in the NIT.

IA fans would go nuts over a team made up like that.

Nice change of subject after bring embarassed. 2nd thought Vonley-gone, Blackmon-played 13 games. Keep posting, this could be fun

 

[FranklinHawk]

just for you by class
FR #6 C 4* Bryant
FR PF 4* Morgan
FR SF 3* Anuby
SO class SG 5* Blackmon
SO 4* SG Johnson #10 SG
JR class have no idea of who was left of these
5* PF Vonley
4* C #4 at his position Fischer
4* SF Robinson
4* SF Williams.
SR 5* Yogi

these are by ESPN, like I said I will let you look it up as to here was here , 5* Yogi was playing, 5* SG Blackmon was playing, 4* Bryant was playing, 4* PF Morgan was here and 3 Anuby was playing,

and you are saying the best they could do was the Sweet 16? gong off that IA should have been in the NIT.

IA fans would go nuts over a team made up like that.

Well, except Blackmon had season ending knee surgery in January so what would he have had to do with how far Indiana made it in the tournament? Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[spbc7]

just for you by class
FR #6 C 4* Bryant
FR PF 4* Morgan
FR SF 3* Anuby
SO class SG 5* Blackmon
SO 4* SG Johnson #10 SG
JR class have no idea of who was left of these
5* PF Vonley
4* C #4 at his position Fischer
4* SF Robinson
4* SF Williams.
SR 5* Yogi

these are by ESPN, like I said I will let you look it up as to here was here , 5* Yogi was playing, 5* SG Blackmon was playing, 4* Bryant was playing, 4* PF Morgan was here and 3 Anuby was playing,

and you are saying the best they could do was the Sweet 16? gong off that IA should have been in the NIT.

IA fans would go nuts over a team made up like that.

Vonleh, Fischer, and Robinson were not on the team. Blackmon played less than half of the season.

I would be willing to bet that there are 8 teams more talented than that roster based on recruiting rankings. I never said anything remotely close to them not being able to get past the sweet 16. You said it was failure that they only got there, but in all reality, that is where they should be projected to be.

Nice try bud, you might be correct one of these times.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

just for you by class
FR #6 C 4* Bryant
FR PF 4* Morgan
FR SF 3* Anuby
SO class SG 5* Blackmon
SO 4* SG Johnson #10 SG
JR class have no idea of who was left of these
5* PF Vonley
4* C #4 at his position Fischer
4* SF Robinson
4* SF Williams.
SR 5* Yogi

these are by ESPN, like I said I will let you look it up as to here was here , 5* Yogi was playing, 5* SG Blackmon was playing, 4* Bryant was playing, 4* PF Morgan was here and 3 Anuby was playing,

and you are saying the best they could do was the Sweet 16? gong off that IA should have been in the NIT.

IA fans would go nuts over a team made up like that.

Nothing like a well informed intelligent argument. Amazing.

 

[SCHawkFan]

IA did not tie for the BT Championship, the last BT Championship occurred in Lesters JR season and IA lost in the 1st round to Witchita State.

They lost to Toledo in 1979.

 

[cidhawkeye]

They lost to Toledo in 1979.

I wonder if Gilligan ever just wants to throw up his hands and say "am I ever going to get something right?"