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Today’s Planned Parenthood hearing shows why Republicans will lose on this issue

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Today Cecile Richards, the head of Planned Parenthood, testified before Congress amid a scrum of cameras and spectators. Hearings like this one are of course not about fact-finding but are created as media events, in the sense that they exist only for the purpose of being broadcast. They allow members of Congress to attempt to get on the evening news, and both parties hope what comes out of the hearing will aid their side in an ongoing controversy, in this case the question of whether the government should “defund” Planned Parenthood (and whether Republicans should shut down the government over it).

The hearing also demonstrated why Republicans are going to lose on this issue.

Let me take just one exchange. Rep. Jim Jordan, one of the most conservative members of the House, used his time shouting at Richards because she admitted at one point that she had originally “apologized for the tone and statements” in the “sting” videos that started this controversy. Apparently Jordan imagined that in making this admission, she had fallen into a trap and would now have to admit that Planned Parenthood had committed some kind of misconduct. Watching his voice get louder and louder, it seemed as though Jordan was thinking, “I’ve really got her now.” But what did he actually prove? Nothing.

Nor did any of the other Republicans. All seemed to have some very specific question they had prepared, one that was designed to produce a “gotcha” moment. But Richards didn’t have any trouble answering any of them, because the accusations that drove them aren’t all that controversial unless your starting point is that abortion is evil and so is anything in any way connected to it. That’s a position many people hold, but it isn’t a position most Americans hold, and it doesn’t actually tell you whether we should shut down the government. Here are some of the charges Republicans made during the hearing:

  1. Cecile Richards is well-compensated as the head of Planned Parenthood!
  2. Planned Parenthood supports family planning in foreign countries!
  3. Planned Parenthood clinics don’t have their own radiological centers with mammogram machines!
  4. Planned Parenthood has a separate political organization!
  5. Which is involved in politics! And most of all…
  6. Planned Parenthood does abortions!
All of these things are true. Whether you think they are nefarious depends entirely on what you think about abortion in general and Planned Parenthood in particular. But the chances that any significant portion of the public is going to change what they think about this issue once they learn these things is vanishingly small.

In a poll out today from the Pew Research Center, 60 percent of respondents said a budget agreement should include funding for Planned Parenthood, while 32 percent said it shouldn’t. As you might expect, now that the issue is getting lots of attention, opinion is intensely polarized: Democrats say that Planned Parenthood should get funded by a margin of 83-10, while Republicans disagree by 66-25. But independents take Planned Parenthood’s side by a margin of 64-29.

Republicans are trying to make a two-stage argument here. The first is that Planned Parenthood is bad. If they can convince the public of that — a challenge in itself, particularly when so many women have personal experience with the organization — then they need to convince the public further that Planned Parenthood is so bad that keeping it from getting any Medicaid reimbursements (which make up the bulk of the organization’s federal funding) is worth shutting down the government over.

If you think Republicans will do that successfully, then you probably also thought they were going to successfully get the Affordable Care Act repealed by shutting down the government two years ago. And we saw how that worked out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...hows-why-republicans-will-lose-on-this-issue/
 
Same as it ever was, GOP loses when facts take center stage over ideology.

Today Cecile Richards, the head of Planned Parenthood, testified before Congress amid a scrum of cameras and spectators. Hearings like this one are of course not about fact-finding but are created as media events, in the sense that they exist only for the purpose of being broadcast. They allow members of Congress to attempt to get on the evening news, and both parties hope what comes out of the hearing will aid their side in an ongoing controversy, in this case the question of whether the government should “defund” Planned Parenthood (and whether Republicans should shut down the government over it).

The hearing also demonstrated why Republicans are going to lose on this issue.

Let me take just one exchange. Rep. Jim Jordan, one of the most conservative members of the House, used his time shouting at Richards because she admitted at one point that she had originally “apologized for the tone and statements” in the “sting” videos that started this controversy. Apparently Jordan imagined that in making this admission, she had fallen into a trap and would now have to admit that Planned Parenthood had committed some kind of misconduct. Watching his voice get louder and louder, it seemed as though Jordan was thinking, “I’ve really got her now.” But what did he actually prove? Nothing.

Nor did any of the other Republicans. All seemed to have some very specific question they had prepared, one that was designed to produce a “gotcha” moment. But Richards didn’t have any trouble answering any of them, because the accusations that drove them aren’t all that controversial unless your starting point is that abortion is evil and so is anything in any way connected to it. That’s a position many people hold, but it isn’t a position most Americans hold, and it doesn’t actually tell you whether we should shut down the government. Here are some of the charges Republicans made during the hearing:

  1. Cecile Richards is well-compensated as the head of Planned Parenthood!
  2. Planned Parenthood supports family planning in foreign countries!
  3. Planned Parenthood clinics don’t have their own radiological centers with mammogram machines!
  4. Planned Parenthood has a separate political organization!
  5. Which is involved in politics! And most of all…
  6. Planned Parenthood does abortions!
All of these things are true. Whether you think they are nefarious depends entirely on what you think about abortion in general and Planned Parenthood in particular. But the chances that any significant portion of the public is going to change what they think about this issue once they learn these things is vanishingly small.

In a poll out today from the Pew Research Center, 60 percent of respondents said a budget agreement should include funding for Planned Parenthood, while 32 percent said it shouldn’t. As you might expect, now that the issue is getting lots of attention, opinion is intensely polarized: Democrats say that Planned Parenthood should get funded by a margin of 83-10, while Republicans disagree by 66-25. But independents take Planned Parenthood’s side by a margin of 64-29.

Republicans are trying to make a two-stage argument here. The first is that Planned Parenthood is bad. If they can convince the public of that — a challenge in itself, particularly when so many women have personal experience with the organization — then they need to convince the public further that Planned Parenthood is so bad that keeping it from getting any Medicaid reimbursements (which make up the bulk of the organization’s federal funding) is worth shutting down the government over.

If you think Republicans will do that successfully, then you probably also thought they were going to successfully get the Affordable Care Act repealed by shutting down the government two years ago. And we saw how that worked out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...hows-why-republicans-will-lose-on-this-issue/
 
I've watched a few oversight committee hearings and in everyone of them Jordan came across as a huge dbag. Today was no different.
 
...and a loss for the innocent.
"Innocent"?
Who the hell are the innocent in this conversation 22?
Quit grandstanding this issue. Regardless of what you want......there will always be abortions. You act as though people don't gamble, too. Pull your friggin' head out of the sand. This argument will never be won at the national/governmental level. The only way to stop abortion is via the family unit. You should have learned something from "prohibition" busybody......I learned (rightfully) that you cannot govern morality.
You ban abortion son, people will always find the service. Might as well keep it as safe as possible and under the best circumstances. Place back in "the alleys" again and more folks will die.
Again, if you oppose abortion, next time you get prego, carry the fetus full term. It's pretty simple, really.
 
"Innocent"?
Who the hell are the innocent in this conversation 22?
Quit grandstanding this issue. Regardless of what you want......there will always be abortions. You act as though people don't gamble, too. Pull your friggin' head out of the sand. This argument will never be won at the national/governmental level. The only way to stop abortion is via the family unit. You should have learned something from "prohibition" busybody......I learned (rightfully) that you cannot govern morality.
You ban abortion son, people will always find the service. Might as well keep it as safe as possible and under the best circumstances. Place back in "the alleys" again and more folks will die.
Again, if you oppose abortion, next time you get prego, carry the fetus full term. It's pretty simple, really.

I thought only the GOP used scare tactics?
 
"Innocent"?
Who the hell are the innocent in this conversation 22?
Quit grandstanding this issue. Regardless of what you want......there will always be abortions. You act as though people don't gamble, too. Pull your friggin' head out of the sand. This argument will never be won at the national/governmental level. The only way to stop abortion is via the family unit. You should have learned something from "prohibition" busybody......I learned (rightfully) that you cannot govern morality.
You ban abortion son, people will always find the service. Might as well keep it as safe as possible and under the best circumstances. Place back in "the alleys" again and more folks will die.
Again, if you oppose abortion, next time you get prego, carry the fetus full term. It's pretty simple, really.

Who said anything about "ban"? Why don't you start with giving a shit first?

Also, please don't talk about valuing the family unit. That is not something you will ever hear a Dem run on.

Yes. It is innocent life. With greater advances in science, will come greater understanding of what this atrocity you fully support truly is.

When that day comes you will feign ingorance and claim "we didn't know?" Bullshit. You do know and you won't budge on any measure.
 
Who said anything about "ban"? Why don't you start with giving a shit first?

Also, please don't talk about valuing the family unit. That is not something you will ever hear a Dem run on.

Yes. It is innocent life. With greater advances in science, will come greater understanding of what this atrocity you fully support truly is.

When that day comes you will feign ingorance and claim "we didn't know?" Bullshit. You do know and you won't budge on any measure.

Of course he and his group know its wrong that's why they spin the it a womens right issue and if you are against abortion you hate women.....
 
ann richards daughter says it's offensive that she got called out for selling body parts for money.... who is grandstanding?
 
At this point Republicans may wish to consider aborting to protect the health of the party.

They have been going after Planned Parenthood over the past few months like so many Captain Ahabs. They threatened to shut down the government to defund the group. Their insistence on a Planned Parenthood showdown drove House Speaker John Boehner to resign. They’re about to appoint a special committee to investigate Planned Parenthood. The party’s presidential candidates have made Planned Parenthood a central part of the campaign, and House Republicans are manufacturing new legislative vehicles to cut off the group.

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds that Americans have a more favorable view of Planned Parenthood than of any other entity tested, including the Republican Party and presidential candidates. The group’s favorable/unfavorable impression, 47 percent to 31 percent, is actually up slightly from July. What’s more, 61 percent oppose eliminating federal funding of Planned Parenthood. Even among the 35 percent who support defunding, only 9 percent favor shutting down the government to do it.

Yet House Republicans pressed ahead with their quest Tuesday, hauling Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards before the Oversight and Government Reform Committee for more than five hours of hectoring and finger-wagging about, among other things, her salary and the group’s travel expenses.

The hearing came about because of videos released in July purporting to show that Planned Parenthood was harvesting body parts from aborted fetuses for profit. In their memo announcing the hearing, committee Republicans proclaimed that the “disturbing content” of the recently released videos “raises questions about [Planned Parenthood’s] use of taxpayer funding.” But the videos turned out to be doctored, and committee Republicans declined Democrats’ requests to have the video maker, David Daleiden, appear before the panel. The committee didn’t get the full unedited videos, Chairman Jason Chaffetz (Utah) said, because of California court proceedings.

Two hours into the hearing, Chaffetz made the startling confession that “without the videos, we can’t have a good discussion about them.”

But we can shut down the federal government over them?

Dispensing with the videos, members of the panel got down to the larger purpose of the hearing: harassing Richards and her group.

Chaffetz flashed a chart on the screens showing that since 2010, the number of abortions at Planned Parenthood has surpassed the number of its “cancer screenings and prevention services.”

But no such shift occurred. The fine print on the chart showed that the number of abortions (327,000 in 2013) never came close to reaching the number of cancer screenings (935,573 in 2013) at any point.

The bogus graph didn’t seem to matter to Chaffetz, who drew the witness’s attention to the crossing lines showing abortions overtaking screenings.

Richards said the chart “absolutely does not reflect what’s happening.”

“I pulled those numbers directly out of your corporate reports,” the chairman said.

In fact, the chart said the source was the antiabortion group Americans United for Life — which Richards pointed out to Chaffetz.

“Then we will get to the bottom of the truth of that,” the chairman said.

The truth? Planned Parenthood gets money for women’s birth control, STD screenings and the like, not abortions — which Richards calmly reminded her inquisitors. She left it to Democratic lawmakers to proclaim their (exaggerated) outrage. “The misogyny!” wailed Rep. Gerald Connolly (Va.).

Republicans tried to inoculate themselves against the inevitable “war on women” charges. Chaffetz admitted three Republican women to participate in the hearing (there is only one GOP woman on the panel) and he started his own remarks by emotionally invoking his wife’s work with breast-cancer patients. Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.) thought it helpful to say that “I’m wearing a pink tie in solidarity with women’s health issues.” The majority dodged an awkward moment when Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.), a pro-life lawmaker who, according to court records, encouraged his wife and mistress to have abortions, yielded his time to a colleague.

That colleague, Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), told Richards “you’re profiting off death.” Likewise, Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.) proclaimed himself a “champion for the unborn,” while Walberg said “we’ve been brought into a frenzy and a concern about what happens to our babies,” and Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) asked what happens if “a child survives an abortion attempt.”

This would appear to justify Richards’s contention that the controversy “isn’t about Planned Parenthood. It’s about allowing women in this country . . . to make other decisions about their pregnancies.”

As if to confirm Richards’s suspicion, 28 minutes after the hearing ended, lawmakers went to the House floor to vote on legislation restricting abortion — for the 14th time this year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...79bd02-66e9-11e5-9223-70cb36460919_story.html
 
The only
Of course he and his group know its wrong that's why they spin the it a womens right issue and if you are against abortion you hate women.....
real conservative I know of is one Barry Goldwater. Back in the day HE paid for his daughter to have an abortion. Barry justified the move as it was the best for all involved, and it was certainly no one else's business. CertInly not the state's business.
I fail to see how "abortion" is any type of a family value. Please explain it to me. As I have said before.......if you don't want to abort, the next time you get prego, simply carry the child to delivery. No one will give a shit, one way or the other. Really...they won't. Just keep your nose out of other folks business. It's the least you can do. Not everyone can personify perfection as you seem to define it.
 
Hmmm - when was ACA put in place?

The number of abortions rose by about 30,000 to roughly 327,000 in 2013, while the number of cancer screenings and prevention services dropped from roughly 2 million to 936,000 in 2013.
 
I thought the Dem's were all about knocking high paid execs out?

Richards kept her cool through the display, but House Democrats acted as her proxy throughout the hearing. Rep. Gerry Connolly, D-Virginia, flatly accused his colleagues of "misogyny" for questioning Richards' $590,000 salary.
 
Oh those GOPers, a

Funny how GOPers always seek the higher ground on these types of issues. Vroom....you and yours are NOY morally superior to we DEMS in any way shape or form. Understand this. You guys are sleeze balls too.
Well aware and have pointed out many times that ALL POLITICIANS are.
 
You got us there. Head start, healthcare, and food for kids sure isn't caring.
Head Start was most recently reauthorized again in 2007 with bipartisan support.
Healthcare - well ACA is a joke,The Congressional Budget Office’s latest score shows more people would have been covered even without the Affordable Care Act. With the debate over the ACA remaining so intensely polarized, advocates moved aggressively to spin this routine update as reflecting favorably on the law. A front-page article in the Washington Postreferred to the new findings as showing “savings,” quoting a supporter as saying, “I can’t see how people can continue to say . . . that Obamacare had no cost containment in it.”

Food for Kids - if you are referring to Obama's lunch initiative, go talk to the kids, it's horrible!

Oh and the fact that you approve of murdering is icing on the cake.
 
Head Start was most recently reauthorized again in 2007 with bipartisan support.
Healthcare - well ACA is a joke,The Congressional Budget Office’s latest score shows more people would have been covered even without the Affordable Care Act. With the debate over the ACA remaining so intensely polarized, advocates moved aggressively to spin this routine update as reflecting favorably on the law. A front-page article in the Washington Postreferred to the new findings as showing “savings,” quoting a supporter as saying, “I can’t see how people can continue to say . . . that Obamacare had no cost containment in it.”

Food for Kids - if you are referring to Obama's lunch initiative, go talk to the kids, it's horrible!

Oh and the fact that you approve of murdering is icing on the cake.
But the fact of the matter is Vroom, regardless of what the CBOsaid, more folks ARE covered because of ACA. Quit the double talk and BS. If what we had was so damned good, there never would have been a push for ACA.....which IS an improvement of what we had. ACA may not be perfect...but it is an improvement. Now it is your turn to make it better. I don't think you and yours are capable with the current House and Senate.
 
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Hmmm - when was ACA put in place?

The number of abortions rose by about 30,000 to roughly 327,000 in 2013, while the number of cancer screenings and prevention services dropped from roughly 2 million to 936,000 in 2013.

Funny how that guidelines changed in that same time period that required less frequent cancer screenings. Of course that doesn't fit your agenda, so......
 
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Because relying on donations worked so well in the 1900s.
Spoken like a true caregiver. Donations are HUGE in many categories by the way, particularly in speaking about the topic at hand.

You want government to be in control of everything, then just be ready to deal with it, when they finally are. They pretty much are already.
 
Head Start was most recently reauthorized again in 2007 with bipartisan support.
Healthcare - well ACA is a joke,The Congressional Budget Office’s latest score shows more people would have been covered even without the Affordable Care Act. With the debate over the ACA remaining so intensely polarized, advocates moved aggressively to spin this routine update as reflecting favorably on the law. A front-page article in the Washington Postreferred to the new findings as showing “savings,” quoting a supporter as saying, “I can’t see how people can continue to say . . . that Obamacare had no cost containment in it.”

Food for Kids - if you are referring to Obama's lunch initiative, go talk to the kids, it's horrible!

Oh and the fact that you approve of murdering is icing on the cake.
I hate to break the news to you, but the GOP has gone insane since 2007. Everything they supported back then, like Head Start, they've tried to defund since. Hell, the GOP has gotten so nutty that they even opposed tax cuts for businesses when they were introduced by Obama.
 
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I hate to break the news to you, but the GOP has gone insane since 2007. Everything they supported back then, like Head Start, they've tried to defund since. Hell, the GOP has gotten so nutty that they even opposed tax cuts for businesses when they were introduced by Obama.
The GOP is one part of the problem, the other is their less attractive sister the DNC. Both of them need to die.
 
Spoken like a true caregiver. Donations are HUGE in many categories by the way. You want government to be in control of everything, then just be ready to deal with it, when they finally are. They pretty much are already.
I'm not sure I get your argument. Relying on donations didn't work during the Industrial Revolution. So why should we believe it would work now?
 
I hate to break the news to you, but the GOP has gone insane since 2007. Everything they supported back then, like Head Start, they've tried to defund since. Hell, the GOP has gotten so nutty that they even opposed tax cuts for businesses when they were introduced by Obama.
SO you quote these things and they say they don't matter -

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Your poor grammar aside, when did I say that education, healthcare, and food didn't matter?
So now you are down to picking out a grammatical error. If you are incapable of following what you wrote and the replies to said words, well I can't help you.

Keep on keepin' on!
 
So now you are down to picking out a grammatical error. If you are incapable of following what you wrote and the replies to said words, well I can't help you.

Keep on keepin' on!
Your posts are becoming more non-nonsensical as we continue this discussion, you know that?
 
Funny how that guidelines changed in that same time period that required less frequent cancer screenings. Of course that doesn't fit your agenda, so......
Found this - Coverage of mammograms for breast cancer screening is mandated by the Affordable Care Act, which provides that these be given without a co-pay or deductible in plans that started after August 1, 2012.

So if mandated for coverage why would they require fewer? Honest question.
 
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