Topher Carton - Daily Iowan article
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Good read. Quote from the article I agree with:
“We probably should’ve had a wrestle-off last year,” Brands said. “Off the record, he probably could’ve beaten Grothus, but I made a mistake there. Actually, put that on the record. I think I made a mistake not having a wrestle-off at 141 last year.”
“We probably should’ve had a wrestle-off last year,” Brands said. “Off the record, he probably could’ve beaten Grothus, but I made a mistake there. Actually, put that on the record. I think I made a mistake not having a wrestle-off at 141 last year.”
This should have gone on the epic Grotius thread.
I'm glad Brands admitted it. I really felt he deserved the shot last year. It might have helped him this year as well. That was one decision that frustrated me.
I respectfully disagree. Since Midlands, Carton regressed. I don't think an additional year would have helped him.
Did he regress or run into higher level competition?
You don't think a year of wrestling varsity would help out someone the next year? Really?
Grothus showed nothing after he came back last year. He was too sucked down and had no strength or quickness. The extra experience would have helped Carton. Even without it he always gave good effort.
141 has been as poor as any weight overall for several years and Iowa hasn't sniffed the podium since Montell Marion last did it in 2012, and dating back to 2007 (essentially a 10 year window to look at for shits and giggles) we've been flat out awful at that weight outside of Montell, as it relates to the NCAA's.
In Montell, we had a guy that wrestled ABOVE his seed 3 years running at NCAA's. (remember how that used to feel?............)
His compadre's at that weight, not so much.That's some dismal results for a school that has a reputation for placement of lighter weight wrestlers. Unbelievable to be honest.
Here is how this shakes out going back to 2007:
2007 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 6th
2008 - Dan LeClere - DNP - seeded 8th
2009 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 4th
2010 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 6th
2011 - Montell Marion - 4th - seeded 5th
2012 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 3rd
2013 - Mark Ballweg - DNP - seeded 7th
2014 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - unseeded
2015 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - seeded 5th
2016 - Nobody, as in did not qualify a 141 lber. for NCAA's
2017- Topher Carton - DNP - unseeded
So in summary, in 11 years of results, we had 8 seeded wrestlers at 141, 7 different guys, and only placed 3 times, and those 3 placements were the same guy.
This weight is mind-blowing to me how bad Iowa has been at it.
This 100%.....for a school know as
"Lightweight U" Make for a head scratcher
"Lightweight U" Make for a head scratcher
You can't put lipstick on those ugly numbers. Hopefully Turk can stay healthy and be our next Montell.141 has been as poor as any weight overall for several years and Iowa hasn't sniffed the podium since Montell Marion last did it in 2012, and dating back to 2007 (essentially a 10 year window to look at for shits and giggles) we've been flat out awful at that weight outside of Montell, as it relates to the NCAA's.
In Montell, we had a guy that wrestled ABOVE his seed 3 years running at NCAA's. (remember how that used to feel?............)
That's some dismal results for a school that has a reputation for placement of lighter weight wrestlers. Unbelievable to be honest.
Here is how this shakes out going back to 2007:
2007 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 6th
2008 - Dan LeClere - DNP - seeded 8th
2009 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 4th
2010 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 6th
2011 - Montell Marion - 4th - seeded 5th
2012 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 3rd
2013 - Mark Ballweg - DNP - seeded 7th
2014 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - unseeded
2015 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - seeded 5th
2016 - Nobody, as in did not qualify a 141 lber. for NCAA's
2017- Topher Carton - DNP - unseeded
So in summary, in 11 years of results, we had 8 seeded wrestlers at 141, 7 different guys, and only placed 3 times, and those 3 placements were the same guy.
This weight is mind-blowing to me how bad Iowa has been at it.
While those results at 141 are rather poor, as always you can't look at things in a vacuum. Who did Iowa recruit at the weight that didn't pan out? Who did Iowa recruit at the weight that ended up higher or lower?
141 has been as poor as any weight overall for several years and Iowa hasn't sniffed the podium since Montell Marion last did it in 2012, and dating back to 2007 (essentially a 10 year window to look at for shits and giggles) we've been flat out awful at that weight outside of Montell, as it relates to the NCAA's.
In Montell, we had a guy that wrestled ABOVE his seed 3 years running at NCAA's. (remember how that used to feel?............)
That's some dismal results for a school that has a reputation for placement of lighter weight wrestlers. Unbelievable to be honest.
Here is how this shakes out going back to 2007:
2007 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 6th
2008 - Dan LeClere - DNP - seeded 8th
2009 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 4th
2010 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 6th
2011 - Montell Marion - 4th - seeded 5th
2012 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 3rd
2013 - Mark Ballweg - DNP - seeded 7th
2014 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - unseeded
2015 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - seeded 5th
2016 - Nobody, as in did not qualify a 141 lber. for NCAA's
2017- Topher Carton - DNP - unseeded
So in summary, in 11 years of results, we had 8 seeded wrestlers at 141, 7 different guys, and only placed 3 times, and those 3 placements were the same guy.
This weight is mind-blowing to me how bad Iowa has been at it.
Those are pretty mind blowing numbers when you compare that to 125/133 and to somewhat of a lesser extent 149.
Maybe I should have broke it down by State, and if Mom's a Leo and Dad's an Aquarius (I have my head wrapped around it pretty good as is...........)
It's really simple, incredibly so.
Your Question: Who did Iowa recruit at the weight that didn't pan out?
The Correct Answer: Everyone not named Montell Marion
Nate Skon
Jake Ballweg
Seth Gross
Nate Moore
Just four people who were expected to be top tier recruits or have had great results but left for whatever reasons. It's not as simple as you claim.
And I am sure there are more that don't come to mind off the top of my head
Oh yeah? Just last week I opened one up and saw a collection of dirt, dust, cat hair, and assorted rug particles.
thank you, thank you very much ... and don't forget to tip your waitress.
LOL! That's what you came up with for Iowa 141 lbers that we missed out on? Might as well throw in Spencer Lee and Sammy Brooks while you're at it. Off the top of your head you say?
It's not like we were trotting your neighbors friend Little Johnny out there as it was. Go ahead and look it up.
141 has been as poor as any weight overall for several years and Iowa hasn't sniffed the podium since Montell Marion last did it in 2012, and dating back to 2007 (essentially a 10 year window to look at for shits and giggles) we've been flat out awful at that weight outside of Montell, as it relates to the NCAA's.
In Montell, we had a guy that wrestled ABOVE his seed 3 years running at NCAA's. (remember how that used to feel?............)
That's some dismal results for a school that has a reputation for placement of lighter weight wrestlers. Unbelievable to be honest.
Here is how this shakes out going back to 2007:
2007 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 6th
2008 - Dan LeClere - DNP - seeded 8th
2009 - Alex Tsirtsis - DNP - seeded 4th
2010 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 6th
2011 - Montell Marion - 4th - seeded 5th
2012 - Montell Marion - 2nd - seeded 3rd
2013 - Mark Ballweg - DNP - seeded 7th
2014 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - unseeded
2015 - Josh Dziewa - DNP - seeded 5th
2016 - Nobody, as in did not qualify a 141 lber. for NCAA's
2017- Topher Carton - DNP - unseeded
So in summary, in 11 years of results, we had 8 seeded wrestlers at 141, 7 different guys, and only placed 3 times, and those 3 placements were the same guy.
This weight is mind-blowing to me how bad Iowa has been at it.
The numbers are pretty sad. Since Montell, Dziewa is the only recruit that was a significant disappointment to me. He was #12 p4p coming out of HS.
Everyone else since then (Ballweg, Grothus, Carton, Marlin, Turk, Ryan, Gross, Happel) were not elite, blue chip recruits and making them into multi-year AA's would have been a real project. Gross turned into something outstanding, but....the extracurriculars.
To be fair, jury is still out on Happel, as he's just getting started.
The numbers are pretty sad. Since Montell, Dziewa is the only recruit that was a significant disappointment to me. He was #12 p4p coming out of HS.
Everyone else since then (Ballweg, Grothus, Carton, Marlin, Turk, Ryan, Gross, Happel) were not elite, blue chip recruits and making them into multi-year AA's would have been a real project. Gross turned into something outstanding, but....the extracurriculars.
To be fair, jury is still out on Happel, as he's just getting started.
Happel was top 20...nothing to sneeze at.
I think we're going to be pretty happy with the Happels.
Kids score pts, understand what's going on in IC, great family, dads the man. They'll leave it on the mat.
I hope he's at 133 next year.
People are writing off next year. If PSU has an injury/upset....I think Laux AA's. Kem, Sorensen, Marinelli, healthy Stoll, Turk.
Thats really interesting regarding 141 when considering our reputation and results developing lightweights at 33/25. I'm not as high on Happel as others are, but maybe he will be 33.
Technically true, #19 of the Sr recruits by Earl's d1 ranking. That's SR's only, of course.
Fwiw, FLO had him at #8 in his HS weight class (145#), with 4 JRs and a Soph ranked ahead of him.
FLO put him #34 on their "Big Board" of Class of '16.
Not trying to rag on the guy, and as that's still a good recruit. But still, I'm not convinced he'll be the answer at 141. N Lee handled him fairly easily in Fargo semifinal. Maybe under TnT he'll develop. I hope so.
Intermat had him at 36 Chief.
4. Iowa
Top 100 recruits: No. 3 Alex Marinelli (St. Paris Graham, Ohio), No. 26 Kaleb Young (Punxsatawney, Pa.), No. 36 Carter Happel (Lisbon, Iowa) and No. 83 Jack Wagner (Bettendorf, Iowa)
Can't remember for sure, but thought they had those Blue Laws in Texas where you couldn't buy alcohol on Sundays............guess not
I think PSU just proved that it'll take more than one injury to derail them. Especially next year.
It might take 5 or 6. Wonder what Tonya Harding's up to these days?
On a side note. True story. Kristy Yamagucci recently sent a tweet to Nancy Kerrigan about congratulations on being on Dancing with the Stars..........
And ended the tweet with...............wait for it.............
"Break a leg."
