With 700 transfers this year - are we in on any of these dudes?
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Per Matthew Bain of the DMR, we've been in touch with David Jenkins and DJ Harvey. We'd be foolish not to talk to the Hauser bros. but who knows.
Fran is probably salivating over Jenkins' 45% 3pt average on 7 attempts per game.
Getting either of these guys would be great. We'll lose a lot of experience after next season and bringing in a vet with 2 years of eligibility along with a couple high school prospects seems ideal.
I like the potential of Harvey. Seems like he could be a great replacement and possible upgrade from Moss at the wing. He and Wieskamp would seem to make a great pair.
Too bad. Any news on Utomi from Akron? Seems like the type of player Fran likes for his system.
....I just saw he's off to USC.
Holy crap.....there's some serious talent and good players in the "sit out" transfers....there would seem to be a number of possibilities there.
Fran is incapable of admitting his rosters have gaps. If the NCAA tournament didn't open eyes in this forum to the value these kids can bring then I don't know what it will take. Per usual Fran will probably throw his name in the hat for kids with multiple better offers and forego the kids he could have a chance with. Watch how fast Hoiberg flips the NE roster.
Iowa football: Butler, Sargent, Easley, Groeneweg and punter from Central Michigan (I think) and likely others I am forgetting all made significant contributions as transfers graduate or otherwise. Iowa basketball: Uthoff and Cartwright with 0 graduate transfers because Fran doesn't like them.
Iowa football: Butler, Sargent, Easley, Groeneweg and punter from Central Michigan (I think) and likely others I am forgetting all made significant contributions as transfers graduate or otherwise. Iowa basketball: Uthoff and Cartwright with 0 graduate transfers because Fran doesn't like them.
The hate is strong....but hate is not known for being rational.
He's not that far off with many of his comments.
If the transfer route is good enough for programs like Kentucky and Kansas then Iowa should be willing to be aggressive with their pursuit of transfers as well.
On one hand we criticize Fran for playing too large of a rotation while we also clamor for more transfers.
I like the idea of getting someone like DJ Harvey but I'll wait to evaluate Fran until after I see the full outcome of our 2020 recruiting class.
I'm more than comfortable with our roster for next year.
Bohannon/Toussaint
Moss/Connor/Fredrick
Wieskamp/Patrick
Nunge/Pemsl
Garza/Kriener
That's already a rotation of possibly 11. If we take a grad transfer then they need to be substantially better than those in the top 10.
Your statement has some significant credibility.....however, I would add this qualifier and I think it makes all the difference in the world: Fran has a far better understanding of the roster make up than any of us fans, how that roster matches what he wants and needs to accomplish, and maybe most importantly how a given transfer affects the team chemistry. Consequently, he would only purse a specific transfer that met that criteria and then he very well might do so aggressively and we might never know about that.....and most certainly would not know the exact details of how it occurred.
So, although he (ihawkhoops) might not be that far off in his comments....they are far enough off that it reveals only a surface level look and reflects his attitude/beliefs.....it's clearly not analytical in nature.
Rotation needs to be a maximum of 9. If a grad transfer is interested and would be in your top 9, then he should be pursued.
Not every guy on scholly needs to see regular minutes or redshirt.
So there has only been a handful of guys in Fran's 9 years that check all those boxes? I find that hard to believe. Not counting JUCO's in this but these are the transfers that I remember Iowa being interested in:
Uthoff
Cole Huff
Jenkins
Utomi
DJ Harvey
Good points. The only upgrade I would want from a grad transfer is if they could get a SG to upgrade over Moss and could start in front of him. If that’s not possible, I don’t think they need to play in that pool this year unless there was some no-brained stud that wanted to come.
Now looking at a few transfers that sit a year seems more viable and helpful.
I would "assume" that is correct....the caveat of course is that we don't know for sure. There could have been a number of other inquiries or attempts at "the right" transfers that we never hear about.
An observation on my part; Fran appears to value loyalty at a very high level. SO...if he believes that one of the guys on his roster will develop into the player he envisioned when he recruited him, he would be hesitant to recruit over that player.....and that might limit the number of transfers he looks at? That's a guess on my part.
The initial statement of "Fran is incapable of admitting...etc".....that's the problem here. That observation is not just wrong, but it is overboard. Fran is a very smart guy...he is very open and has always been a great interview BUT, I don't believe for a minute that he would say something about a gap in his roster that might embarrass a player because he hasn't panned out or met expectations. If injuries or transfers or something of that nature caused a gap in the roster he might publicly say in the off season that they are recruiting to fill that gap...but in season when you can't change it I don't think he would want his team to believe the coach thought that they had a weakness that could not be remedied....he would want them to play without making excuses.
That was exactly my point. Barring any redshirts next year, we have 11 active scholarship players. The following year we only lose 3, barring any transfers or Garza/Wieskamp trying to go pro.
I see limited to no value in adding a 1 year immediately eligible grad transfer unless they are good enough to be in the top 6 rotation. I could potentially see a sit one play two transfer like Harvey but it won't be the end of the world if it doesn't happen.
2020-21 roster is still potentially 8 deep
Toussaint
Connor
Wieskamp
Fredrick
Patrick
Nunge
Pemsl
Garza
A transfer is going to be looking to start, therefore you need to find someone decidedly better than your current starters. It's possible Harvey is but I also don't have a problem getting true freshman that can step in and contribute right away without the guarantee of starting. My biggest priority is landing a couple top 200 recruits in the 2020 class more than getting a transfer. If we got a Foster/Beard combo for example then I could care less about a transfer.
I think the bolded is part of it.
You have heard the comments at pressers. 10-10 is "phenomenal in this league" after a 10-6 start to B1G play. "Body of work" last year when someone asked if his seat should be hot during a terrible season.
Again, not every scholarship player needs to see regular playing time. Iowa fans are about the only ones that expect that because of how deep Fran has went in previous seasons. Pretty much every big time program dips their toes in the transfer market. You dont think they have guys that could play on their bench or being recruited over by pursuing transfers?
If you can make the team better by getting a transfer, they should do it.
Oh, the horror of staying positive and supporting your players!!
Yeah, because I certainly said Fran shouldnt be doing that.
Swing and a miss by you.
I agree but I think what some are saying is Fran shouldn’t just take a transfer to take one (which seems obvious but some people seem to be of that mindset). On next year’s team, they will have a lot of players with experience, so a Grad Transfer should only be someone who is going to make a big difference and crack that rotation.
I agree you dont just take one to take one.
But its laughable to think there have only been 5 kids in the 9 years Fran has been here that have been worth pursuing on the transfer market.
Not a bad roster, but it's almost completely void of inside toughness and rebounding.
It’s essentially the same roster minus Cook and adding Nunge and Pemsl inside. The inside toughness and rebounding are not likely to be any worse then this year. Consistent play at SG is biggest need.
I do wish Fran would utilize the current transfer rules a little more but he likely has went after more then those 5 but just didn’t get them.
You can’t even quote Fran correctly (never said phenomenal), I don’t think you’re in a position to comment on someone else’s at bat.
That is rich, considering the source.
You have zero idea who the coaches do and don't reach out to or have interest in. It may be hard to believe, but boards like this are often devoid of factual information and filled with speculatory bullshit.
So now Iowa, Kansas, and KY are the same and have the same access to recruits? Bahahaha
Love folks who spend their time analyzing words and their meaning. So comical.
Read your own posts. It is obvious you have a preconceived reality in your head and NOTHING will change it.
And, all of these comments I made are from someone who is not overly enamored with Fran. Just tired of the same old whiners bitching and moaning 24/7 and never ever letting things go. Just leave off for a while. Are the rest of your lives this miserable? If the answer is no, perhaps you should pay attention to those around you. My guess is you find they are miserable when around you.
Phenomenal, outstanding, tremendous, superb...whatever the hell it was it was way off.
You dont get it.
KU and UK routinely have some of the top ranked recruiting classes in the country. If they find value in the transfer market even with all the talent on their team then Iowa should as well.
Try and keep up.
Yeah ...I love how everyone is a coach and everyone also knows more about the team than the current coach. I laugh to myself reading some of these comments and I also feel real lucky some of these people are not a coach!
Again, you're either misrepresenting my comments or not comprehending them. Where did I say every player I listed needs to be in the regular rotation? You keep pointing out that I am saying that but it's simply not the case. If anything I was agreeing with you. I was simply articulating that we have 11 scholarship players for this season and 8 for the following season. Adding a graduate transfer doesn't make sense unless they are good to be in the top 6.
Graduate transfers are intended to cover holes left by a large graduating class and early departures. It makes sense for Nebraska and ISU this year but not Iowa. I do not fault Fran if we elect to simply recruit HS recruits this offseason.
Those teams also have one and dones...creating a completely different chemistry. I would suggest that unless Iowa can do that with multiple players, so the majority of the team knows they aren't long for that team...then go for it. That's not Iowa. A transfer might fit better at those places.
Well as far as last year and his seat being hot, he ended up being exactly correct. His seat is not hot.
The other comments by the coach relate to the comments by the original poster how?
Definitely some kids that Fran should contact to see if they would be a fit. For example, I remember seeing Jaylon Fisher (PG) play for TCU a couple of years ago, before he had some injuries. I liked his toughness and leadership, but have no idea what has happened to him over the past couple of years. I have no idea how confident we are in landing a top PG in the 2020 class, but I hope Fran is at least making contact with coaches and players to see if we can add a transfer or two.
I agree that Harvey sounds like a good possible fit.
I agree that Harvey sounds like a good possible fit.
No I get you. We just think maybe think differently in what biggest need is. I would love to have an athletic 6-8 or 6-9 banger to tough it up and be a defensive presence and a man on the boards. That’s what I wanted Cook to concentrate on and be but he apparently didn’t want to it wasn’t cut out for it. Too me, the biggest concern is finding a more consistent, multi-skilled, defensive-strong SG who can slash and handle the ball. That would do wonders on this team.
No doubt a slasher, creator, ball-handler would really elevate Fran's offense. All the better if he can defend too. (ok, how bout 2-3 of them)
The unfortunate part is...I don't think he also sees the value in a true power forward or small forward that can crash the boards and make the middle uncomfortable for opposing teams to drive into. Cook was the closest thing...and he was a one-off who some would argue didn't really reach his potential despite his physical gifts. (yeah, I'm talking about coaching)
Fran is in love with a roster of wing players who aren't particularly quick, can't defend and aren't physical. Gimme a bunch of skinny white guys between 6-4 and 6-10.
I agree that it seems like he would rather have length then brawn and doesn’t put stock in what a typical MSU-type big man could bring to this team. I don’t agree that Cook was even really close to that - even a skinnier Aaron White or Woodbury were more consistently physical and open to banging then Cook, nor do I think that was Fran’s fault (seemed obvious Cook didn’t want to be that kind of player). Just because Cook could throw down a monster dunk and stare didn’t make him a consistent physical presence or a willing banger.
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