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Seems they’ve really zeroed in on Harvey. Two questions: why did he leave ND and what other schools are interested?
Not sure why he left but according to this article, the following schools are intersted:
USC, Houston, Marquette, Georgetown, Iowa, Auburn, Maryland, Xavier, Cincinnati, Nevada
Some potentially good news. Thanks TCool. Fran's connections with ND might help with Harvey, who sure sounds like he would be a good addition. At least Fran will know exactly what he is getting. Not holding my breath on the Hauser bros, but it is interesting that Iowa is getting a visit.
Fran is incapable of admitting his rosters have gaps. If the NCAA tournament didn't open eyes in this forum to the value these kids can bring then I don't know what it will take. Per usual Fran will probably throw his name in the hat for kids with multiple better offers and forego the kids he could have a chance with. Watch how fast Hoiberg flips the NE roster.
I find it interesting that a guy can articulate so well....reasoning, but clearly not use logic, yet chooses to continue to spin. You take some minor legit criticisms and turn them into a coach that is "incapable" and in "denial" when the Hawks just won 23 games...had a really good year. Now in fact he is getting a visit of a pretty high profile 2 year transfer.........so the evidence says your assertions are wrong.
A poorly copied tweet on my part but illustrates another connection to the program. I figured they knew each other both being from the DC area but didn't know they played AAU ball together.
As was mentioned earlier, Harvey is following Garza on Twitter and Dillard is following Harvey as well.
Tony Roe@tonysroe
DJ Harvey and Luka Garza played AAU ball together on Team Takeover. #Hawkeyes
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As was mentioned earlier, Harvey is following Garza on Twitter and Dillard is following Harvey as well.
Tony Roe@tonysroe
DJ Harvey and Luka Garza played AAU ball together on Team Takeover. #Hawkeyes
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Here's the traditional problem with transfers: they've already shown they don't fit in somewhere else. That might be something no more serious than homesickness. Or it could be the kid, can't remember his name, that was a decent point guard but transferred after the general close of recruiting because Lick's style of play was too slow. So I think he went to Arkansas, where he was again starting as he had at Iowa, in a very up tempo offense. So after a year he left Arkansas. I think he ended up on the bench at Georgetown (could be wrong on Georgetown). Now that kid was a malcontent that couldn't get along anywhere. Always gambling on a transfer or JUCO more than a kid you've known for a few years and watched mature from soph to sr in HS.
Not that excited about transfers in general, obviously, but the Notre Dame kid sounds like a perfect fit for the graduating class structure. Next year Jobu, Isaiah and Joey W are going to play most of the minutes outside. Jordan and Isaiah are graduating and Joey W could be gone to the NBA. That's three guys that have pretty much started every game of their careers-a huge hole for Iowa to fill all at once. Like the idea of having a guy with two years experience in big league ball waiting to fill one of those holes.
Not that excited about transfers in general, obviously, but the Notre Dame kid sounds like a perfect fit for the graduating class structure. Next year Jobu, Isaiah and Joey W are going to play most of the minutes outside. Jordan and Isaiah are graduating and Joey W could be gone to the NBA. That's three guys that have pretty much started every game of their careers-a huge hole for Iowa to fill all at once. Like the idea of having a guy with two years experience in big league ball waiting to fill one of those holes.
It's a crapshoot.
Andre Woolridge and Luke Recker turned out pretty well. Of course, Recker was a McDonald's AA. Lol.
Still, a lot of teams have success with transfers.
The best thing about this news is that the “Fran doesn’t explore all avenues” myth has been exploded. Hate him or love him his passion for the kids and winning the right way doesn’t deserve the abuse he regularly receives here.
Hate on his style of play, his substitution patterns, the offers he does or doesn’t give, his game day coaching decisions if you must, but I don’t see anything that should ever lead us to question his effort and the desire he puts forth to get the job done. (His kids don’t deserve the grief they get because of their last name either.)
I think if we can land one of these offers we are well positioned for the future. Kids know Fran will never throw them under the bus and they will get the opportunity to prove their worth on the court. If we were to somehow grab two we’ll be looking at the best Hawkeye team in years.
Hate on his style of play, his substitution patterns, the offers he does or doesn’t give, his game day coaching decisions if you must, but I don’t see anything that should ever lead us to question his effort and the desire he puts forth to get the job done. (His kids don’t deserve the grief they get because of their last name either.)
I think if we can land one of these offers we are well positioned for the future. Kids know Fran will never throw them under the bus and they will get the opportunity to prove their worth on the court. If we were to somehow grab two we’ll be looking at the best Hawkeye team in years.
Talk to me when Fran lands aforementioned kid/s. You understand how this works I assume. Kids want to take visits to get swag and put stuff on Twitter. Look at how many offers these kids + how many visits they will take. Good job to Fran for identifying some talented prospects but sealing the deal moves the needle not visits. Kids visit, evaluate and decide. They are not picking Iowa. Why is that?
Second point. Iowa was a 10 seed meaning likely 1 loss from being last 4 in or in the NIT due to another late season collapse. The second half of the TN game is a nice story but they did not compete in the first half. Call it a great comeback or TN taking the foot off the gas up 25 or a combination of both...who knows? If you want to base next year on the second half comeback against TN that is certainly your prerogative.
This post makes more sense if it was created 5+ years ago. There are now too many transfers to try and create a profile of them anymore.
Tennessee? You miss the point again....NO one is perfect...no coach is perfect...there are negatives to all of them and positives for most. SO, you have to look at the totality of the circumstances...see the big picture. I see both positives and negatives for Fran and it is obvious (supported by numbers and facts) that the positives outweigh the negatives.
Your point about "swag" borders on ridiculous....your reasoning that the high profile transfer would visit Iowa is for the Iowa clothes he can get? Of all the schools, Iowa is the school this kid (not from Iowa) has picked the Hawks to visit...yep
I think Fran has been slow to go after transfers in the past, especially grad transfers, but it is great to see that he finally is making much more of an effort. Any of the 3 mentioned transfers would be great additions.
You could be right. How many times have you seen Patrick play in person? Must be a lot for you to pronounce him unfit to play next year. I bet you have NEVER seen him play in person. Personally I think Garza and Kreiner are two of the most physical players in the big ten. Not sure where you are coming from on the Iowa has trouble with physical teams argument. Do you watch the games?
Vbeachawk said:
I thought that Cincinnati and Tennessee were 2 of the most physical teams in the tournament and Iowa hung with them.
I agree with your post...this IS the issue in college basketball...programs that do the right thing get thrown under the bus by their own.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...re-enough-to-watch/ar-BBWihHp?ocid=spartandhp
Yet it remains a fact that all transfers have failed to get along somewhere, turned their backs on kids that very will might have been drawn to the school by kid that transferred and all of their other teammates. They have all shown a willingness to break their word.
Those facts are universally true of every transfer, other than coaching changes when I think the kids that came for coach A should be unconditionally released to sign anywhere and not red shirt. If the foregoing is true you already have someone that is fairly shallow. Those are all undesirable character traits.
The massive increase in transfers speaks poorly of our larger society.
Amazing the NCAA has the balls to punish programs for violations when they let this stuff slide. Perhaps the NCAA is the one the FBI should investigate for being complicit by turning a blind eye?
I would love to hear you tell maishe dailey, ahmad, wagner, jarod uthoff, etc that they are shallow.
This is the oversimplified, negative view of transfers, and it definitely has some truth. It just isn't that simple, and often transferring is a win-win for the player and the school. Sometimes, the kid just isn't fitting into the team, and his personal goals aren't matching up with the coaches' plans...
I am glad that Fran doesn't run a mercenary basketball program, and that he runs program where coaches care about the kids, not just as players, and that the players are good teammates. Occasionally bringing in some transfers that are a fit to the team probably won't change that, and it has the potential this year to have a very positive impact on the team's future.
That's a little melodramatic.
Not to mention ridiculous to paint all transfer situations in that light.
Perry if you don't think kids visit to take cool trips, get catered to, get their picture on the jumbo screen at CHA or Kinnick, etc., you are not living in the real world. How many kids take trips simply to experience the recruitment process? Answer: A lot of them. They get 5-6 visits whatever it is and many will take all of them even if they know where they are going. I am sure there is some interest in Iowa but it's a back up to a back up to a back up.
Fran does a nice job of getting in early on kids whose stock rises but he isn't a deal closer. It's like saying "Wow look at all the kids Fran is offering. He really knows talent". A quick look at a kid's offers will show he probably has 15. Any random coach spending a weekend at an AAU tournament can see a kid and throw an offer out.
Here is one example. Tre Mann, no clue who he is, but his highlights are playing in the rivals box. He has 15 offers and will probably have 25. I bet he takes all his visits even if he knows where he is going simply because he can.
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Tre-Mann-101525/RecruitInterests/
Iowa does struggle with physical teams. When you go to games you can see that they have issues with getting picks set where they are designed to be at and to make cuts the way that they want. They get pushed/bodied off their mark/path quite frequently. Two guys slugging it out in the post doesn’t qualify a team as physical.
I wish we could put a moratorium on s**t-talking PMac until after he's played a basketball game in an iowa uniform. I have never seen such pessimism for a top 100 recruit. The kid was one of the best players in the state and gets invited to national showcases on a regularly basis. I would say that qualifies as having potential to be a good ball player. Lay off him.
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