Trice at Wisconsin

[Ihawkhoops]

Anyone recall the recruiting of the Trice kid at Wisconsin? If memory serves, he had some offers from middle / lower tier programs until WI got in late. I thought I saw his name mentioned as someone on Iowa's radar around the time Dailey signed.

Not trying to second guess anyone here, but he looks like another kid who will blow up at Wisconsin. His game would be a nice addition here from what I have seen of him thus far.

 

[And1Hawk]

Yes I was super disappointed to see another Trice in the league. His brother was a major irritant but a really good player. MSU is really missing guys like that now.

 

[HawkPT]

If I remember accurately, his mother may not be a good fit for our program. Wasn't it she that was nearly abusing Hawkeye fans in the student section because she was so upset by what was happening to her son and MSU in Iowa City?

 

[Kabby]

If I remember accurately, his mother may not be a good fit for our program. Wasn't it she that was nearly abusing Hawkeye fans in the student section because she was so upset by what was happening to her son and MSU in Iowa City?

i think she was. What a fool she made of herself that night.

 

[HawkLogic]

agreed, the MSU trice was so irritating. He was a major flopper...should have been kicked out of games for launching himself with no contact. It was nice to see McCabe take him down, but in reality that game was epic beat down of Iowa.

Another Trice at Wisconsin? Would have preferred he go elsewhere.

 

[DanL53]

Various thoughts:

Trice's Dad coached Wagner at Wayne High School and told him Iowa would be a good fit. That's AFTER McCabe tossed Travis Trice onto the ground. (My opinion: Travis had it coming to him for locking arms and instigating something as play was stopped.)

As to the Trice who went to Wisconsin? We're talking D'Mitrik Trice. Great basketball family but he didn't appear on ESPN's top 100, Rivals top 150, or even 247Sports top 247. But the nether did Jordan Bohannon. The difference that I can find is ESPN did rank Jordan as the #25 point guard in his class, a four star rank of 80. Trice was not ranked, they go up to 50 by position, I think.

Results at Wisconsin? 18.2 mpg, 6.7 ppt, 1.7/.9 assists/turnovers and shooting .500 fg, .846 ft, and .600 3 pt.

Bohannon? 26.2 mpg, 8.7 ppg, 4.7/2.5 assists/turnovers, .327, .833, .378

Yes, the shooting percentages are different as is that A/T. But I believe Trice is playing behind Koenig? Jordan's been thrown to the wolves. Not to say that Trice won't "blow up" but we've only got 13 scholarships to give and I believe that he committed to Wisconsin on 4/7/2016? At that time we didn't have another scholarship. Hutton's transfer was announced on 4/30, and Fleming on 4/20.

We gave Fleming's scholarship to Baer. And in May (first week or so) we got the commitment of Dailey.

So IF we were to go after Trice. We'd have not been able to get someone of Cook, Kreiner, Pemsl and Bohannon. (Unless we truly knew there were transfers coming...unlike this year where we knew Jones could go the 5th year transfer routeand Conner could walk-on.)

If anything, frankly, I think Wisconsin got beat out for Bohannon by us. As to our recruiting, this, I like:

At this moment according to ESPN's top 100, various years:

2016 Cook: 38
2017 C. McCaffery: 83
2017 Garza: 100
2018 Wieskamp: 43

That's not even counting the remaining ESPN four stars like Bohannon, or Moss from 2015, or Nunge who hasn't been ranked yet by ESPN but is ranked by 247 as a #91 4 Star. (247 is often bogus as CyCity should have discovered by now...but that's an old story. Just thought I'd toss that in.)

I didn't dig deep into Rivals but here we are on their site so it should be easy to check, and they do a dang good job compared to other analysts, as far as I'm concerned. Bossi's just a little overwhelmed trying to see every kid before he ranks them. And the rankings change so much as to render them useless until late in a kid's senior year and by that time he's almost always signed anyway.

 

[hawkisak]

Good post, Dan! In addition, Trice was in Ahmad's class and did not get any D-1 offers of substance. Ahmad was going to Iowa and the other F on Wayne to Dayton. Many people got to see Trice and also knew plenty about Travis Trice and still not big offers. So, he went to IMG Academy for a year which very may have helped him athletically and maturity wise. I am sure Wisky will turn him into a good player, but the Bohannon take was critical.for Iowa and D'Mitrik was no sure thing.

 

[DanL53]

Good post, Dan! In addition, Trice was in Ahmad's class and did not get any D-1 offers of substance. Ahmad was going to Iowa and the other F on Wayne to Dayton. Many people got to see Trice and also knew plenty about Travis Trice and still not big offers. So, he went to IMG Academy for a year which very may have helped him athletically and maturity wise. I am sure Wisky will turn him into a good player, but the Bohannon take was critical.for Iowa and D'Mitrik was no sure thing.

Thanks! That was more than I knew and I'm grateful you shared.

 

[HawkLogic]

Good post, Dan! In addition, Trice was in Ahmad's class and did not get any D-1 offers of substance. Ahmad was going to Iowa and the other F on Wayne to Dayton. Many people got to see Trice and also knew plenty about Travis Trice and still not big offers. So, he went to IMG Academy for a year which very may have helped him athletically and maturity wise. I am sure Wisky will turn him into a good player, but the Bohannon take was critical.for Iowa and D'Mitrik was no sure thing.

Almost seems like Fran avoided taking another PG to hold the spot for Connor. We could definitely use a quicker, smaller PG on the squad to complement Bohannon. We are on injury away from just having CW. Most really good teams have stud PG, so not having one puts us at disadvantage matching up defensively and having a guy that can create his own shot.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

Almost seems like Fran avoided taking another PG to hold the spot for Connor. We could definitely use a quicker, smaller PG on the squad to complement Bohannon. We are on injury away from just having CW. Most really good teams have stud PG, so not having one puts us at disadvantage matching up defensively and having a guy that can create his own shot.

I am sure CW "can" create his own shot, just hasn't figured out yet when to do so, when he should go, pass, pull up or post up. At times he looks to be thinking to much, other times thinking too little. He has the talent just not figured out how best to use it for what's best for him and the team. I'm thinking he will get there but when and will he, is a question.

 

[DanL53]

I am sure CW "can" create his own shot, just hasn't figured out yet when to do so, when he should go, pass, pull up or post up. At times he looks to be thinking to much, other times thinking too little. He has the talent just not figured out how best to use it for what's best for him and the team. I'm thinking he will get there but when and will he, is a question.

A month ago many of our young guys seemed lost. Thanks for reminding that Williams might just be a bit delayed compared to the others in finding his groove.

 

[DanL53]

As to this "traditional" point guard thing. It's not like we wouldn't take one, or haven't tried. We certainly took a long look and at first offered one Charlie Moore.

And when we get one, and we will, I'm sure Fran will tweak the offense to accommodate his skills.

But (imo) it isn't worth holding out hope that we will suddenly look like Indiana under Ferrell's quarterbacking skills. And, would we claim Wisconsin has a "traditional" point guard?

Our system may just be the reason we get guys more inclined to run it. Now, if we were LOSING because of it, I'd see a concern. But I think we've moved past that worry for all but the "NCAA every year" crowd.

 

[amahawk]

agreed, the MSU trice was so irritating. He was a major flopper...should have been kicked out of games for launching himself with no contact. It was nice to see McCabe take him down, but in reality that game was epic beat down of Iowa.

Another Trice at Wisconsin? Would have preferred he go elsewhere.

I loved the McCabe takedown. Sometimes things are so worth it.

 

[UWOle31]

If anything, frankly, I think Wisconsin got beat out for Bohannon by us.

Lots of good information in your post, but I don't believe the above comment is a fair statement. UW was certainly aware of Jordan and spent time looking at him, but they ultimately decided not to offer. Will be interesting to see how both develop in the coming seasons, as there will a number of head to head battles to evaluate them in.

 

[DanL53]

Lots of good information in your post, but I don't believe the above comment is a fair statement. UW was certainly aware of Jordan and spent time looking at him, but they ultimately decided not to offer. Will be interesting to see how both develop in the coming seasons, as there will a number of head to head battles to evaluate them in.

Excellent point. Just expressing my opinion though, not trying to win a trial.

In the theme of the thread about "Trice and wouldn't it be nice", I do think it is fair to say maybe Wisconsin wishes Bohannon had once had enough interest for them to offer?

And while I get the sentiment of a head to head showdown between guards, I'd rather see Iowa beat Wisconsin and call that the measure. This being a team sport and all.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

We will see who has more up side. Trice looks like he would be an upgrade at PG today. Is he the shooter Bohannon is? Clearly not. However, when all a PG can do is shoot 3's and is a defensive liability, it really limits a team on both ends.

I recognize he is a freshman and has been thrown into the fire this season and respect his tenacity. My critique has less to do with him and more to do with the fact Fran has been here what, 7 years now, and our best PG's have been Cartwright and Gesell?

At some point Fran has to look in the mirror and realize a big reason his teams do not advance in holiday, BTT and NCAA tournament venues is because of the game manager style of PG vs. impact PG. Has Fran made it past the second round of the BTT in his career? Purdue's guards will get up close and personal with ball pressure tonight and expose our lack of quickness at PG.

 

[Carlton]

Excellent point. Just expressing my opinion though, not trying to win a trial.

In the theme of the thread about "Trice and wouldn't it be nice", I do think it is fair to say maybe Wisconsin wishes Bohannon had once had enough interest for them to offer?....

Ole is much closer to Wisconsin recruiting than I and, if he responds, I would certainly defer to his knowledge .
My hunch is that based on the experiences his two oldest brothers had in Madison, Jorbo would have accepted an offer to follow in their footsteps.

 

[DanL53]

Ole is much closer to Wisconsin recruiting than I and, if he responds, I would certainly defer to his knowledge .
My hunch is that based on the experiences his two oldest brothers had in Madison, Jorbo would have accepted an offer to follow in their footsteps.

Very possible.

I'm going to go with this theory. Xavier Simpson. Bohannon was being slow played by Wisconsin while they pursued Simpson and McCaffery then offers and got the commit from Jordan. Early August.

Then this happened:

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/201...simpson-commits-michigan-basketball-wisconsin

The wonders of recruiting never cease. And I guess I'll stick with my opinion that if anybody missed on a kid, it was Wisconsin.

Now maybe Trice ends up being pretty dang good. No problem. I'm happy we've got Bohannon despite the strange math about tournaments and how our motion offense fails us due to lack of a one on one type break-em down point guard. I'm glad you are happy with Trice. And I'm sure Michigan is glad they have Simpson.

And Nebraska should be glad they have Watkins, they have such a great season ahead. We missed on him and Morrow and from the looks of things they passed us pretty bad after all.

I'm not 100% claiming we stole somebody or got the best or anything like that. And I'm certainly not comparing guard to guard in the upcoming years as I'll let the wins/wins determine how things are going.

This "traditional" point guard thing kind of drew you Wisconsin guys into it. Are you happy with YOUR current starting point guard?

Gesell gets a bad rap for his style of play. Evidence. His four years at Iowa, 89 wins overall, 42-30 Big Ten. Yogi Ferrell, I think he measures up to the "traditional" point guard? 93 wins overall, 45-27 Big Ten. If one looks at the other guys on those two teams? Did Ferrell really result in that much better of a record all by himself?

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Bohannon is giving what he's got with the tools at his disposal.
The one thing a really good point has, which I think will always elude him, is the quickness off the dribble to take his man to the hole and finish or dish.
He can become a smarter player as he gains experience and use his head to put himself in better positions on the court, anticipate opponents drives and passes, know when and where is the next best pass.
I'm not down on Bohannon. However, I would love to see Iowa get a PG that possesses the ability to break down his opponent.

 

[DanL53]

Bohannon is giving what he's got with the tools at his disposal.
The one thing a really good point has, which I think will always elude him, is the quickness off the dribble to take his man to the hole and finish or dish.
He can become a smarter player as he gains experience and use his head to put himself in better positions on the court, anticipate opponents drives and passes, know when and where is the next best pass.
I'm not down on Bohannon. However, I would love to see Iowa get a PG that possesses the ability to break down his opponent.

That may happen someday but it may be time to recognize that point guards who are the traditional penetrate and dish guys see how Iowa plays basketball and are not attracted to it.

As I've said before, if we get a water bug then I'm sure we will adjust to those talents. But he's going to have to play within the system as well. We value guys who can distribute and keep everyone involved. And, good passing is quicker than any guy dribbling ever will be.

 

[sober_teacher]

Bohannon is giving what he's got with the tools at his disposal.
The one thing a really good point has, which I think will always elude him, is the quickness off the dribble to take his man to the hole and finish or dish.
He can become a smarter player as he gains experience and use his head to put himself in better positions on the court, anticipate opponents drives and passes, know when and where is the next best pass.
I'm not down on Bohannon. However, I would love to see Iowa get a PG that possesses the ability to break down his opponent.

I think he's quicker than gesell actual and so far looks like a better finisher when he puts it up. He's done all right so far at not getting caught with nowhere to go like gesell did too often.

 

[jwardelt]

Very possible.

I'm going to go with this theory. Xavier Simpson. Bohannon was being slow played by Wisconsin while they pursued Simpson and McCaffery then offers and got the commit from Jordan. Early August.

Then this happened:

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/201...simpson-commits-michigan-basketball-wisconsin

The wonders of recruiting never cease. And I guess I'll stick with my opinion that if anybody missed on a kid, it was Wisconsin.

Now maybe Trice ends up being pretty dang good. No problem. I'm happy we've got Bohannon despite the strange math about tournaments and how our motion offense fails us due to lack of a one on one type break-em down point guard. I'm glad you are happy with Trice. And I'm sure Michigan is glad they have Simpson.

And Nebraska should be glad they have Watkins, they have such a great season ahead. We missed on him and Morrow and from the looks of things they passed us pretty bad after all.

I'm not 100% claiming we stole somebody or got the best or anything like that. And I'm certainly not comparing guard to guard in the upcoming years as I'll let the wins/wins determine how things are going.

This "traditional" point guard thing kind of drew you Wisconsin guys into it. Are you happy with YOUR current starting point guard?

Gesell gets a bad rap for his style of play. Evidence. His four years at Iowa, 89 wins overall, 42-30 Big Ten. Yogi Ferrell, I think he measures up to the "traditional" point guard? 93 wins overall, 45-27 Big Ten. If one looks at the other guys on those two teams? Did Ferrell really result in that much better of a record all by himself?

UW missed on 3 pgs, and none of them were Bohannon. Pritchard, Mclaughlin, and Simpson were the 3. If we wanted Bohannon, he'd be a badger. Glad we have trice.

 

[DanL53]

UW missed on 3 pgs, and none of them were Bohannon. Pritchard, Mclaughlin, and Simpson were the 3. If we wanted Bohannon, he'd be a badger. Glad we have trice.

Well ok than. You got the goods. The commit dates say differently as by the time you would have offered it was too late. But I'm assuming you don't mean you could have taken a road trip to Marion and convinced him to back out of his Iowa commit.

I am not a recruiter or paid player evaluator, but I have to think that at some point Bohannon would have had a Badger offer, before the offer to Trice.

 

[jwardelt]

1. We don't recruit committed players (Iowa isn't adverse to this, even when they're already enrolled in school). 2. We didn't offer and weren't close to offering. Enjoy him. I'm glad he's not a badger though.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Apparently there is a bottomless keg of kool-aid somewhere out there. Iowa can't get better PG's because of our style of play? Fran wants to play fast and recruits shooters for a drive and kick guy to kick to. That seems to be an ideal situation for any PG.

We won a recruiting battle with WI for Bohannon? WI did not miss a beat with Ryan to Gard. I would contend Gard raised the bar because he hasn't recruited Bohannon-level talent since arriving, thus their success in March vs, our second round wood shed beatings. No issue with Bohannon as a "shooter" and I realize the disappointing start to the season by CW thrust him into the starting PG spot.

I just hope Fran doesn't go into the bunker like he did with Clemmons and Gesell by not bringing in an upgrade. 4 more of years of pseudo PG play will ensure mediocrity in the postseason.

 

[ConvenientParking]

1. We don't recruit committed players (Iowa isn't adverse to this, even when they're already enrolled in school).

You'll have to qualify. Do you mean your basketball program doesn't?

 

[RocknRollface]

That may happen someday but it may be time to recognize that point guards who are the traditional penetrate and dish guys see how Iowa plays basketball and are not attracted to it.

As I've said before, if we get a water bug then I'm sure we will adjust to those talents. But he's going to have to play within the system as well. We value guys who can distribute and keep everyone involved. And, good passing is quicker than any guy dribbling ever will be.

What part of Iowas offense differs at the pg position from most other teams?

 

[DanL53]

What part of Iowas offense differs at the pg position from most other teams?

I've responded to that question many times. The info is out on the web particularly interviews with McCaffery.

 

[DanL53]

Apparently there is a bottomless keg of kool-aid somewhere out there. Iowa can't get better PG's because of our style of play? Fran wants to play fast and recruits shooters for a drive and kick guy to kick to. That seems to be an ideal situation for any PG.

We won a recruiting battle with WI for Bohannon? WI did not miss a beat with Ryan to Gard. I would contend Gard raised the bar because he hasn't recruited Bohannon-level talent since arriving, thus their success in March vs, our second round wood shed beatings. No issue with Bohannon as a "shooter" and I realize the disappointing start to the season by CW thrust him into the starting PG spot.

I just hope Fran doesn't go into the bunker like he did with Clemmons and Gesell by not bringing in an upgrade. 4 more of years of pseudo PG play will ensure mediocrity in the postseason.

Says the poster who if I go back the last couple months has been as negative as one can get. How we looking now?

Let's keep this about our opinions and if you can't do that, let's not do this at all.

 

[RocknRollface]

I've responded to that question many times. The info is out on the web particularly interviews with McCaffery.

Well, from my vantage point there's no significant difference in the way Iowa utilizes the pg position from the average college team.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Says the poster who if I go back the last couple months has been as negative as one can get. How we looking now?

Let's keep this about our opinions and if you can't do that, let's not do this at all.

Says the poster who if I go back the last couple months has been as negative as one can get. How we looking now?

Let's keep this about our opinions and if you can't do that, let's not do this at all.

Says the poster who touts Fran's positionless basketball and claims Uhl will win us some games this year. I agree, if he does not play. Have you checked the score tonight? How we looking now?

 

[DanL53]

Says the poster who touts Fran's positionless basketball and claims Uhl will win us some games this year. I agree, if he does not play. Have you checked the score tonight? How we looking now?

I figured you'd love the score tonight. Congrats Ihawkhoops.