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[Auger]

For everyone being overly critical take a step back and realize teams like Illinois, Michigan, Gonzaga and even Ohio St are as good of teams that you're going to see every year in the NCAA. The fact Iowa Basketball can hang right now says a lot about the team this year.

That said this team is a quality PG away from a very special season. Illinois bosts 3 guards with NBA type skillsets. It killed us today. Killed us against Michigan and has given us trouble against teams like Indiana where good quality guards can give us fits. The tournament is going to be filled with teams with quality backcourts. Teams like Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga that have quality athletic guards and a center that can take Garza on solo will be Iowa's bane. I really wish Iowa had an athletic PG that could compete with the Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga type guards. It really leaves Iowa just a notch below and could leave this team one of Iowa's greatest without any hardware.

 

[Louis3Hawk]

Why don't we let the season play out before we write off the fact that it still has the potential to be a special season.

What happened today is perfect. We hung with a team that we are physically inferior to, and didn't play our best. This was the perfect tune up for the dance, from playing a team like Wisconsin, to playing a team like Illinois. I think the boys are ready

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

What if I told you our PG was the Iowa career leader in assists and 3FG?

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

What if I told you our PG was the Iowa career leader in assists and 3FG?

I'd say you missed the point and have a myopic point of view. There's a lot more involved in running the point. OP is right.

 

[Chishawk1425]

What if I told you our PG was the Iowa career leader in assists and 3FG?

This

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

For everyone being overly critical take a step back and realize teams like Illinois, Michigan, Gonzaga and even Ohio St are as good of teams that you're going to see every year in the NCAA. The fact Iowa Basketball can hang right now says a lot about the team this year.

That said this team is a quality PG away from a very special season. Illinois bosts 3 guards with NBA type skillsets. It killed us today. Killed us against Michigan and has given us trouble against teams like Indiana where good quality guards can give us fits. The tournament is going to be filled with teams with quality backcourts. Teams like Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga that have quality athletic guards and a center that can take Garza on solo will be Iowa's bane. I really wish Iowa had an athletic PG that could compete with the Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga type guards. It really leaves Iowa just a notch below and could leave this team one of Iowa's greatest without any hardware.

You're right. Unfortunately, Iowa has been one point guard away Fran's entire tenure.

This team is still capable of making a run in the tournament.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Iowa’s problem today wasn’t Bohannon, it was turnovers, not having an answer for Cockburn defensively and the lack of scoring in the second half from Wieskamp and Fredrick. Fredrick specifically is too good a player to finish the game with five shots

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Actually it's quite BAU for Iowa.

We have the PG who is athletic enough to compete with these teams, but because we're Iowa he has to have flaws in his game that keeps him from being that complete PG we need to take the next step.

-Too reckless at times

-Doesn't shoot outside shots, which is highly unfortunate

-Tries to create and force things when he just needs to slow down and facilitate

-Apparently needs new f***ing shoes......

-Picks up unnecessary and dumb fouls trying to be aggressive on defense, which causes him to get benched for the rest of the game


That man has a name. His name is Joe Toussaint.

 

[Rambler Hawk]

Iowa’s problem today wasn’t Bohannon, it was turnovers, not having an answer for Cockburn defensively and the lack of scoring in the second half from Wieskamp and Fredrick. Fredrick specifically is too good a player to finish the game with five shots

agreed, losing Nunge was a tough pill to swallow for a program like Iowa

 

[Auger]

What if I told you our PG was the Iowa career leader in assists and 3FG?

Iowa had to fight for every basket made today. There weren't many open looks. The reason for that was top quality D from the Illini guards. Flip side the Illini were solid in the transition game and unlocked the Iowa D several times in the game for open shots. Was a huge difference in the game and a big reason why Iowa couldn't get any consistency together on either end. If you couldn't see the difference between the guards out there then continue flipping through stats as a way to analyze the game if it pleases you.

 

[Slim45]

For everyone being overly critical take a step back and realize teams like Illinois, Michigan, Gonzaga and even Ohio St are as good of teams that you're going to see every year in the NCAA. The fact Iowa Basketball can hang right now says a lot about the team this year.

That said this team is a quality PG away from a very special season. Illinois bosts 3 guards with NBA type skillsets. It killed us today. Killed us against Michigan and has given us trouble against teams like Indiana where good quality guards can give us fits. The tournament is going to be filled with teams with quality backcourts. Teams like Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga that have quality athletic guards and a center that can take Garza on solo will be Iowa's bane. I really wish Iowa had an athletic PG that could compete with the Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga type guards. It really leaves Iowa just a notch below and could leave this team one of Iowa's greatest without any hardware.

Thank god we won’t have to play any of the teams you mentioned until the elite 8!

 

[unoHawkeye]

agreed, losing Nunge was a tough pill to swallow for a program like Iowa

Fortunately the schedule in the Dance is a little more favorable from a rest perspective. You could tell that Garza was gassed down the stretch

 

[WadeWilson]

I thought we went to a zone because J Bo got burned over and over again. When Joe T came on he was all over the place, turned the ball over twice and that was it. I

 

[unoHawkeye]

I thought we went to a zone because J Bo got burned over and over again. When Joe T came on he was all over the place, turned the ball over twice and that was it. I

It was because Garza was getting killed in the pick and roll. That’s how Cockburn got all those easy dunks in the first half

 

[Auger]

Iowa’s problem today wasn’t Bohannon, it was turnovers, not having an answer for Cockburn defensively and the lack of scoring in the second half from Wieskamp and Fredrick. Fredrick specifically is too good a player to finish the game with five shots

The Illini guards were all over them defensively. This is what Im talking about. The Illini guards outclassed our guards today. We don't have a PG that can unlock that and get guys open. Im not bagging on Bohannon. Not his fault he is asked to be a PG.

 

[Hawkeye079]

For everyone being overly critical take a step back and realize teams like Illinois, Michigan, Gonzaga and even Ohio St are as good of teams that you're going to see every year in the NCAA. The fact Iowa Basketball can hang right now says a lot about the team this year.

That said this team is a quality PG away from a very special season. Illinois bosts 3 guards with NBA type skillsets. It killed us today. Killed us against Michigan and has given us trouble against teams like Indiana where good quality guards can give us fits. The tournament is going to be filled with teams with quality backcourts. Teams like Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga that have quality athletic guards and a center that can take Garza on solo will be Iowa's bane. I really wish Iowa had an athletic PG that could compete with the Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga type guards. It really leaves Iowa just a notch below and could leave this team one of Iowa's greatest without any hardware.

Jbo kept us in this game.. and was nowhere near the reason we lost

 

[Auger]

I thought we went to a zone because J Bo got burned over and over again. When Joe T came on he was all over the place, turned the ball over twice and that was it. I

That and Garza was having trouble 1on1.

 

[unoHawkeye]

The Illini guards were all over them defensively. This is what Im talking about. The Illini guards outclassed our guards today. We don't have a PG that can unlock that and get guys open. Im not bagging on Bohannon. Not his fault he is asked to be a PG.

Dosunmu and Curbelo were the only Illinois guards who did anything today (expected from Dosunmu). Iowa’s guards played well enough defensively against them to win. It was Kofi’s 26 on efficient shooting that was the killer, and Bohannon dropped 20 points

 

[Auger]

Jbo kept us in this game.. and was nowhere near the reason we lost

Not saying he was. Iowa guards were outclassed today in the skill department. Couldn't get open shots or create open shots. Illini were all over them. Flip side the Illini guard were able to make big plays and unlock the Iowa D on several occasions to keep the Illini with a nive lead all game.

 

[Hawkeye079]

Not saying he was. Iowa guards were outclassed today in the skill department. Couldn't get open shots or create open shots. Illini were all over them. Flip side the Illini guard were able to make big plays and unlock the Iowa D on several occasions to keep the Illini with a nive lead all game.

Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.. just tired of people ragging on the kid he is a great piece for this team

 

[Moral]

Iowa’s problem today wasn’t Bohannon, it was turnovers, not having an answer for Cockburn defensively and the lack of scoring in the second half from Wieskamp and Fredrick. Fredrick specifically is too good a player to finish the game with five shots

Solid break down.

I did not see iowa get beat up in the paint that much. Illinois got some super easy transition points too.

Also refs. Idgaf

 

[Moral]

Not saying he was. Iowa guards were outclassed today in the skill department. Couldn't get open shots or create open shots. Illini were all over them. Flip side the Illini guard were able to make big plays and unlock the Iowa D on several occasions to keep the Illini with a nive lead all game.

Same issue with WI. The outside was locked down.

 

[Auger]

Our leading scorers and players shot 40% 38% and 33% from the field today. The Illini D was tough. The Iowa guards couldn't unlock them. That is my point.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

For everyone being overly critical take a step back and realize teams like Illinois, Michigan, Gonzaga and even Ohio St are as good of teams that you're going to see every year in the NCAA. The fact Iowa Basketball can hang right now says a lot about the team this year.

That said this team is a quality PG away from a very special season. Illinois bosts 3 guards with NBA type skillsets. It killed us today. Killed us against Michigan and has given us trouble against teams like Indiana where good quality guards can give us fits. The tournament is going to be filled with teams with quality backcourts. Teams like Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga that have quality athletic guards and a center that can take Garza on solo will be Iowa's bane. I really wish Iowa had an athletic PG that could compete with the Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga type guards. It really leaves Iowa just a notch below and could leave this team one of Iowa's greatest without any hardware.

Great post. Baylor’s guards are the best in cbb though, imo.

 

[Auger]

Great post. Baylor’s guards are the best in cbb though, imo.

Agree with you on Baylor guards. I was just bringing up teams we've played. I think teams like Wisconsin and Indiana give us fits too because they have tough in your face guards.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Agree with you on Baylor guards. I was just bringing up teams we've played. I think teams like Wisconsin and Indiana give us fits too because they have tough in your face guards.

Honestly though, JBo has surprised me with his ability to get to the rim these last few games.

I don’t know man, I’m really optimistic about the tourney. This is not a team you want a short prep for.

 

[WSC72]

Iowa’s problem today wasn’t Bohannon, it was turnovers, not having an answer for Cockburn defensively and the lack of scoring in the second half from Wieskamp and Fredrick. Fredrick specifically is too good a player to finish the game with five shots

Agree on most points, but Illinois had 6 really bad possessions in a row, 4-5 turnovers, when they were up double digits. Had they scored on half those possessions it may have ended up a 20 point loss.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Agree on most points, but Illinois had 6 really bad possessions in a row, 4-5 turnovers, when they were up double digits. Had they scored on half those possessions it may have ended up a 20 point loss.

It was on the brink of blowout all game, but that’s just a credit to Iowa’s toughness. A few more shots drop and things could have swung Iowa’s way as well

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Illinois could win it all the way they played today. Hawks played them as tough as they could, but they were simply overmatched talent wise. Needed to be hot from three, but not to be.

 

[retrodent]

We need a grad transfer big man for next year-

 

[KcTo]

agreed, losing Nunge was a tough pill to swallow for a program like Iowa

Ogundele never was given a chance to develop. Recall his 3 minutes in the 40 point nebraska loss

 

[Rambler Hawk]

Illinois could win it all the way they played today. Hawks played them as tough as they could, but they were simply overmatched talent wise. Needed to be hot from three, but not to be.

Thank you

 

[Auger]

Illinois could win it all the way they played today. Hawks played them as tough as they could, but they were simply overmatched talent wise. Needed to be hot from three, but not to be.

My thoughts exactly. I thought the Iowa guards played them as tough as they possibly could but the athleticism and quality in the Illini backcourt was just too good. That's the frustrating part. The Illini are just slightly better than Iowa. Not sure how Iowa can find the open looks against these type of teams? They've really struggled this year. We've seen less talented teams with solid defensive backcourts be able to bottle Iowa up as well.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I think the issue is less the PG position itself but more the lack of a complimentary 2 guard. Connor does some nice things, but it's tough to play 4 on 5 offensively and that's the reality when he is on the floor. His defender can sag off, help on others and disrupt passing lanes because he doesn't have to worry about a shot or drive. This makes it that much more difficult for Jbo, CJ and JW.

It's great Connor is a willing distributor, but when teams sag off he has to be willing to shoot it. We saw the impact of a 2 guard scoring against MSU. Most teams have a 2 guard that is their 1st or 2nd scoring option. For Iowa 4 points is an offensive explosion from this position.

 

[BBHawk]

For everyone being overly critical take a step back and realize teams like Illinois, Michigan, Gonzaga and even Ohio St are as good of teams that you're going to see every year in the NCAA. The fact Iowa Basketball can hang right now says a lot about the team this year.

That said this team is a quality PG away from a very special season. Illinois bosts 3 guards with NBA type skillsets. It killed us today. Killed us against Michigan and has given us trouble against teams like Indiana where good quality guards can give us fits. The tournament is going to be filled with teams with quality backcourts. Teams like Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga that have quality athletic guards and a center that can take Garza on solo will be Iowa's bane. I really wish Iowa had an athletic PG that could compete with the Illinois, Michigan and Gonzaga type guards. It really leaves Iowa just a notch below and could leave this team one of Iowa's greatest without any hardware.

Other than Ayo I seriously doubt that any other PGs for IL play in the NBA.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

It was on the brink of blowout all game, but that’s just a credit to Iowa’s toughness. A few more shots drop and things could have swung Iowa’s way as well

This, think of how many bunnies we shot that just would not go down.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

Other than Ayo I seriously doubt that any other PGs for IL play in the NBA.

Ayo is such a talent. He is so smooth and never seems to miss when he finnishes at the rim. This Illinois team is better than Michigan without Livers. I really hope the BIG can win the NC. If they don't we are just a thug league.

 

[Dargo]

Iowa’s problem today wasn’t Bohannon, it was turnovers, not having an answer for Cockburn defensively and the lack of scoring in the second half from Wieskamp and Fredrick. Fredrick specifically is too good a player to finish the game with five shots

Bohannon had some turnovers, and getting his pocket picked at half court was a critical one, and his defense most certainly was a problem the whole game, so yeah he was a problem today along with the rest of them. The team lacks strength, and athleticism. It's nothing new. Fredrick couldn't get shots off, not athletic enough to create space to get his shot off, or finish in the lane.

 

[Dargo]

Other than Ayo I seriously doubt that any other PGs for IL play in the NBA.

Seriously? Have you watched Curbelo play? He's a freshman, top fifty player out of high school. He will play in the NBA.

 

[kelzer]

Ogundele never was given a chance to develop. Recall his 3 minutes in the 40 point nebraska loss

Ummm, he's had an entire season of practices to develop, and I think the coaching staff is quite capable of accurately assessing his readiness to play, given that they run those practices.