Trump attacks Billary

[naturalmwa]

I think I disagree with you.

Lets say I have two acquaintances, one is up front and honest about their feelings towards me (lets say those feelings are not flattering) and the other is nice to my face but an asshole behind my back.

Now I may find it harder to get along with the first one but I probably respect them more than I do the two faced one.





Also this type of conversation is better than the earlier parts of this thread...thanks for playing along.

This isn't about respecting a foe, its about leading a nation. If the honest leader tells the nation he is going to openly do evil acts, he has made the entire nation an accomplice. If the nation goes along and hires this honest evil leader, the nation is now evil. People being what they are, they will want to justify being evil, which leads to more evil.

On the other hand, if the leader pretends to be good and gets national support on that basis, the nation is not implicated when the leader commits secret evil acts. The very nature of trying to keep evil acts secret mitigates how extensive the evil acts can be. If the goal is to limit the amount of evil in the world, dishonesty is a valuable tool. Because dishonesty means all your social norms and mores remain in place as a check. I want that. I want a world where PC curtails wrongdoing. Removing PC leads to more evil being acceptable.

 

[unIowa]

This isn't about respecting a foe, its about leading a nation. If the honest leader tells the nation he is going to openly do evil acts, he has made the entire nation an accomplice. If the nation goes along and hires this honest evil leader, the nation is now evil. People being what they are, they will want to justify being evil, which leads to more evil.

On the other hand, if the leader pretends to be good and gets national support on that basis, the nation is not implicated when the leader commits secret evil acts. The very nature of trying to keep evil acts secret mitigates how extensive the evil acts can be. If the goal is to limit the amount of evil in the world, dishonesty is a valuable tool. Because dishonesty means all your social norms and mores remain in place as a check. I want that. I want a world where PC curtails wrongdoing. Removing PC leads to more evil being acceptable.

Being overly PC just drives evil underground and would rather see it coming.

 

[naturalmwa]

Being overly PC just drives evil underground and would rather see it coming.

Not me, I'd prefer not to see it. Driving it underground kills a lot of it. Shame is a powerful tool, PC is how you apply that tool to issues. If you remove shame, you will have to replace it with more coercive direct measures to achieve the same result. IMO, the anti-PC crowd doesn't think this through very well.

 

[The Tradition]

Not me, I'd prefer not to see it. Driving it underground kills a lot of it. Shame is a powerful tool, PC is how you apply that tool to issues. If you remove shame, you will have to replace it with more coercive direct measures to achieve the same result. IMO, the anti-PC crowd doesn't think this through very well.

I would prefer logic over shame. Have a debate, prove the other guy is wrong.

PC means no debate. It shall not even be discussed.

 

[naturalmwa]

I would prefer logic over shame. Have a debate, prove the other guy is wrong.

PC means no debate. It shall not even be discussed.

PC only even becomes PC because the debate has advanced to the point that one team has an overwhelming advantage in ground.

 

[IACub]

It doesn't describe Trump. He's the first honest politician I've ever seen in my lifetime.

No testing out messages on focus groups.

No dancing around the issue.

No long-winded non-answers to specific questions.

No trying to avoid politically incorrect topics or solutions.

Trump doesn't mince words. He says what he thinks and doesn't give a damn what anybody else thinks.

That's refreshing.

Refreshing. You really think he's honest? I've never seen someone so full of shit in my entire life. He's saying exactly what he needs to say to rile people up into an angry mob. He doesn't believe a word that comes out of his own mouth, because he doesn't think about anything he says, he just says it. And it's great that you equate racism and sexism with avoiding political correctness. And "no long-winded answers to specific questions," that's beautiful. How about no answers at all. Face it, he's a moron and he's a troll and you're eating it up. You're letting your hatred of Hillary Clinton blind you to what he is. Trump is the most dangerous person to run for president in my lifetime and you think he's refreshing.

 

[unIowa]

PC only even becomes PC because the debate has advanced to the point that one team has an overwhelming advantage in ground.

Doesn't apply to Islam for some reason though. How on earth have the PC people gained an overwhelming advantage in ground there?

If shaming people to the underground is good, like we have done with crazy Christians, then the same principal must apply here. Me, you, and very few others seem to be on board with this...why???

 

[unIowa]

Refreshing. You really think he's honest? I've never seen someone so full of shit in my entire life. He's saying exactly what he needs to say to rile people up into an angry mob. He doesn't believe a word that comes out of his own mouth, because he doesn't think about anything he says, he just says it. And it's great that you equate racism and sexism with avoiding political correctness. And "no long-winded answers to specific questions," that's beautiful. How about no answers at all. Face it, he's a moron and he's a troll and you're eating it up. You're letting your hatred of Hillary Clinton blind you to what he is. Trump is the most dangerous person to run for president in my lifetime and you think he's refreshing.

Cruz is more dangerous...by far.

 

[IACub]

Cruz is more dangerous...by far.

Since I'd agree with you if there were no Trump, I won't argue the point. But if they were earthquakes Cruz is like a 9.0 and Trump is California falling into the ocean.

 

[unIowa]

Refreshing. You really think he's honest? I've never seen someone so full of shit in my entire life. He's saying exactly what he needs to say to rile people up into an angry mob. He doesn't believe a word that comes out of his own mouth, because he doesn't think about anything he says, he just says it. And it's great that you equate racism and sexism with avoiding political correctness. And "no long-winded answers to specific questions," that's beautiful. How about no answers at all. Face it, he's a moron and he's a troll and you're eating it up. You're letting your hatred of Hillary Clinton blind you to what he is. Trump is the most dangerous person to run for president in my lifetime and you think he's refreshing.

I can see how people would throw out the racist charge on Trump but I am not sure that really is the case. Many of his followers, yes, but saying one secure the boarders really isn't racist, it's nationalist rhetoric for sure though.

The sexism thing I don't get as I think it is a trumped up charge based on his attack of specific women. It's the Hillary supporters that beat this drum to try and create a war on women narrative.

 

[unIowa]

Since I'd agree with you if there were no Trump, I won't argue the point. But if they were earthquakes Cruz is like a 9.0 and Trump is California falling into the ocean.

Totally disagree. Cruz is a very conservative faith based Christian that would rather we move backwards on the god based social rights issues. I don't see that out of Trump, sure he lays the Planned Parenthood card but he doesn't really seem to care about it all that much.

 

[The Tradition]

Since I'd agree with you if there were no Trump, I won't argue the point. But if they were earthquakes Cruz is like a 9.0 and Trump is California falling into the ocean.

It's so funny watching people slip into total Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[naturalmwa]

Doesn't apply to Islam for some reason though. How on earth have the PC people gained an overwhelming advantage in ground there?

If shaming people to the underground is good, like we have done with crazy Christians, then the same principal must apply here. Me, you, and very few others seem to be on board with this...why???

I'm not sure I'm following you. In what way do you see Islam as an exception to the rule? As I see it, its not PC to claim one religion is better than another. Its the norm that you simply allow people to believe any theology they like and afford them all equal respect. The anti-PC folks don't like this standard when it comes to Islam, they want to uniquely punish Islam. The PC crowd is just insisting that we not single out one faith.

I also don't see any hesitation to call out crazy Muslims with the crazy Christians. There is a hesitation to call Islam crazy just as there is hesitation to call Christianity crazy. Personally as you might already know, I'm very cool with calling all religions crazy and take most any opportunity to explain why. But that isn't PC. PC says we all hold our tongue and allow each other room to whatever particular brand of crazy we want and thus maintain the detente which is America's original gift to the modern world. Given that we are talking about governing, I think the PC path is far superior than my own selfish indulgence.

 

[IACub]

I can see how people would throw out the racist charge on Trump but I am not sure that really is the case. Many of his followers, yes, but saying one secure the boarders really isn't racist, it's nationalist rhetoric for sure though.

The sexism thing I don't get as I think it is a trumped up charge based on his attack of specific women. It's the Hillary supporters that beat this drum to try and create a war on women narrative.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. ... And some, I assume, are good people."

"The wall will go up and Mexico will start behaving."

"Our great African American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore."

"The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”

"All the women on The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

"26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military - only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?"

"You know, it doesn't really matter what they write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."

 

[naturalmwa]

"You know, it doesn't really matter what they write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."

That's not sexist, that's just wisdom.

 

[unIowa]

"Our great African American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore."

"The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

So these are the only two statement that I could see as being considered racist (vs nationalist). The first one, absolutely. The second one I am guess is a joke and we all know it is impossible to be racist towards white Jews.

 

[The Tradition]

So these are the only two statement that I could see as being considered racist (vs nationalist). The first one, absolutely. The second one I am guess is a joke and we all know it is impossible to be racist towards white Jews.

I don't see any of that as racists. The goons who were destroying property and attacking people in Baltimore are rightfully described as "thugs."

The Jew thing was anti-semetic, but Jews are one minority group that doesn't seem to get offended over much and are more than happy to make jokes about Jewish stereotypes (rednecks fit this description, too).

 

[sijoint]

That's not sexist, that's just wisdom.

This is Bill......another clue.

 

[naturalmwa]

This is Bill......another clue.

Is this the theory on the blue dress? That he missed his target?

 

[Lone Clone]

So these are the only two statement that I could see as being considered racist (vs nationalist). The first one, absolutely. The second one I am guess is a joke and we all know it is impossible to be racist towards white Jews.

The first is not racist. The second is. Or at best, it's an ethnic joke in questionable taste.

 

[herk90]

Give me a good candidate and I'll throw all-in with them. This year there aren't any, so I'll vote for the lesser of two evils. I kinda' sorta' like Bernie, but I don't think he'll win the nomination, which is why I'm talking about Hillary vs. GOP.

And don't give me the BS that Trump supporters aren't assholes. They openly support a racist, misogynistic, vain, dangerous moron that spouts hate out of his pie hole. It's like in 1939 if you said Nazis aren't bad people just because they support Hitler, they're just fed up with the system.

How is he racist? Did he say something about an entire race that I am unaware of?

 

[herk90]

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. ... And some, I assume, are good people."

"The wall will go up and Mexico will start behaving."

"Our great African American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore."

"The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

“."

The first two aren't racist. The key line is when Mexico sends it's people, they're not sending their best. The fact you put up the second one is mind bottling. So a country that is helping people from other South American countries get across our border isn't behaving badly? oh and a country is now a race. I will agree the thugs line was unfortunate but.....

How about Clinton telling Ted Kennedy that in years past Obama would be getting them coffee and laughing about it? or
You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent." -Senator Joe Biden
I love this quote. It’s from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Gandhi, do you still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas station” – Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary of State

And there are many more...So are these three people racists because they said something that isn't PC? I don't think they are but with the examples you have laid out calling Trump one you would also have to call these three racists.

 

[IACub]

That's not sexist, that's just wisdom.

While I'd tend to agree with you as an anonymous internet poster, it's not something I want the leader of the free world saying.

 

[IACub]

I don't see any of that as racists. The goons who were destroying property and attacking people in Baltimore are rightfully described as "thugs."

The Jew thing was anti-semetic, but Jews are one minority group that doesn't seem to get offended over much and are more than happy to make jokes about Jewish stereotypes (rednecks fit this description, too).

Tying the "thugs" to our African-American president made it overtly racist. And making anti-Semitic comments is bigoted, whether it's made in jest or not. At best it shows a complete lack of class. He's the least presidential candidate I've ever seen, and this doesn't even take into account his appalling lack of knowledge on any basic portion of what it would take to be president.

 

[thewop]

I actually find it very arogant of Trump. Imagine that. Going after Hilary he's acting lIke the Republican nomination is locked up.

It hasn't been proven his supporters will show up to vote. If this becomes a 2 horse after SC I doubt he will have the lead anymore. Even a 3 horse race with the 3rd having Omalleyesqe support will hurt Trump.

I'm not making fun of you, but find it amusing when anyone suddenly finds Trump arrogant, as if it's unexpected.

 

[MitchL]

Realistically, one of the few (if only) accomplishments Granny can point to is her success in managing Bill's 'bimbo eruptions'. Well, except for he one with the chubby intern.

The MSM will do their very best to avoid this topic and protect Bill and Hil, however, Trump may be the only one that can get away with pounding this obvious hypocrisy. (no pun intended)

Very few people/voters give a shit about stuff that has absolutely no affect on their personal lives... ie: what Bill did behind closed doors. Bill is more popular now then when he was Prez.
And yeah, Trump has a few skeletons in his closet too, that will be exposed if/when the Dems need some ammo. Trump as the nominee is a worst case scenario for the GOP if they want to keep another Clinton from the WH.
I kind of agree that there may be some Clinton/Trump conspiracy to foil the Republicans from winning.