Trump ending all research at the National Institute of Health

[BioHawk]

This seems like a wise move coming out of a pandemic that killed millions of people. But it's really an attack on Universities who will be out millions in grant funding. So, how much does the University of Iowa pull in a year from research opportunities? So, not only are we abdicating our world leadership position in scientific research, we are doing it in a way to make the world a far more dangerous place as well.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

The rights war on science is based on a dislike for facts. It's much easier to be a liar when no one is checking the facts.

 

[cigaretteman]

Utterly deplorable but what else would you expect from this POS of a president that we're stuck with for the next four years. Way to go American Electorate!

 

[Tom Paris]

Let me guess...Project 2025. @binsfeldcyhawk2

 

[Aardvark86]

Soooo...we're equating a freeze on public communications, rulemaking, and meetings with cessation of all NIH health care research? Say what you will about the former, but I'm not seeing the latter anywhere.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Soooo...we're equating a freeze on public communications, rulemaking, and meetings with cessation of all NIH health care research? Say what you will about the former, but I'm not seeing the latter anywhere.

That won't give them the Anxiety dump they crave.

 

[Huey Grey]

Soooo...we're equating a freeze on public communications, rulemaking, and meetings with cessation of all NIH health care research? Say what you will about the former, but I'm not seeing the latter anywhere.

Um, how do you conduct research if you aren't allowed to hold meetings, hire new people, or even communicate with other?

 

[Huey Grey]

That won't give them the Anxiety dump they crave.

You know you've got a losing take when this guy agrees with you.

 

[BioHawk]

Soooo...we're equating a freeze on public communications, rulemaking, and meetings with cessation of all NIH health care research? Say what you will about the former, but I'm not seeing the latter anywhere.

What, you think research just happens? You think it's like an ATM machine, insert cash and get results? By ending these things that effectively eliminated any new research being approved by the NIH. It does it in a way where people will quit so they can try to hide these cuts from the job numbers that will be coming out in a few months.

Actually read past the headline to see what the people who will be affected are saying. I see they are claiming it's "a short pause", but everything from this administration is complete bullshit so if you believe that then you probably believe Mexico paid for the wall and that the war in Ukraine is over too.

https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-hits-nih-devastating-freezes-meetings-travel-communications-and-hiring

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

You know you've got a losing take when this guy agrees with you.

Huey if you want to play dumb for 4 years and try to spin everything into a reason of why you need to consider opening a branch of Kurt Cobains ceiling painting in your apartment, go for it. But I'm telling you man, you are going to get your ass drug through the mud if you try to piss yourself for 4 more years.


I like you dude, but you have got to learn to calm the **** down and actually read what is happening not the headline.

 

[Aardvark86]

What, you think research just happens? You think it's like an ATM machine, insert cash and get results? By ending these things that effectively eliminated any new research being approved by the NIH. It does it in a way where people will quit so they can try to hide these cuts from the job numbers that will be coming out in a few months.

Actually read past the headline to see what the people who will be affected are saying. I see they are claiming it's "a short pause", but everything from this administration is complete bullshit so if you believe that then you probably believe Mexico paid for the wall and that the war in Ukraine is over too.

https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-hits-nih-devastating-freezes-meetings-travel-communications-and-hiring

Dude, i think we both know that you are out over your skis on this.

The work of clinical trials continues.

The work of agency public communications, processing of regulations, and the conduct of government meetings does not, for the moment. Maybe you're right - it may be a long, or too long, 'moment' - even for these limited things, and the ability to communicate the actual research in public fora, for example, could become adversely affected. Or, to take another example, the ability to issue public health related information. But new administrations issue hard agency pauses like the ones described, though this one is to be sure probably harder than some have been. Sometimes - probably not at nih - that's because outgoing administrations go out of their way to put stuff in the pipeline to gum up the plumbing.

But as far as "reading beyond the headline," well, it was your headline, and frankly, it was a good one because it got me to take a peek a the thread. But when I did, there wasn't anything in your post to read. So I did look at various external stories, and saw nothing about the suspension of NIH research. Still happy to be enlightened. BTW, I do know at least a little about how academic and clinical research, including at NIH, works, both professionally and by virtue of my SIL having been a pretty senior researcher there.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Dude, i think we both know that you are out over your skis on this.

The work of clinical trials continues.

The work of agency public communications, processing of regulations, and the conduct of government meetings does not, for the moment. Maybe you're right - it may be a long, or too long, 'moment' - even for these limited things, and the ability to communicate the actual research in public fora, for example, could become adversely affected. Or, to take another example, the ability to issue public health related information.

But as far as "reading beyond the headline," well, it was your headline, and frankly, it was a good one because it got me to take a peek a the thread. But when I did, there wasn't anything in your post to read. So I did look at various external stories, and saw nothing about the suspension of NIH research. Still happy to be enlightened. BTW, I do know at least a little about how academic and clinical research, including at NIH, works, both professionally and by virtue of my SIL having been a pretty senior researcher there.

Yeah but he has bio in his name.....

 

[Aardvark86]

Yeah but he has bio in his name.....

...and here i am merely named after early computer software...

 

[Hawk_82]

This seems like a wise move coming out of a pandemic that killed millions of people. But it's really an attack on Universities who will be out millions in grant funding. So, how much does the University of Iowa pull in a year from research opportunities? So, not only are we abdicating our world leadership position in scientific research, we are doing it in a way to make the world a far more dangerous place as well.

If we stop gain of function research on potential pandemic viruses, our risk of a pandemic will drop significantly.

 

[Hawk_82]

The NIH used to be thought of as the gold standard for research. Covid and trans exposed the nih for their bias and subpar research. I hope we can make improvements to the research process.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

...and here i am merely named after early computer software...

Thems the breaks sir...... 😉

 

[BioHawk]

Dude, i think we both know that you are out over your skis on this.

The work of clinical trials continues.

The work of agency public communications, processing of regulations, and the conduct of government meetings does not, for the moment. Maybe you're right - it may be a long, or too long, 'moment' - even for these limited things, and the ability to communicate the actual research in public fora, for example, could become adversely affected. Or, to take another example, the ability to issue public health related information. But new administrations issue hard agency pauses like the ones described, though this one is to be sure probably harder than some have been. Sometimes - probably not at nih - that's because outgoing administrations go out of their way to put stuff in the pipeline to gum up the plumbing.

But as far as "reading beyond the headline," well, it was your headline, and frankly, it was a good one because it got me to take a peek a the thread. But when I did, there wasn't anything in your post to read. So I did look at various external stories, and saw nothing about the suspension of NIH research. Still happy to be enlightened. BTW, I do know at least a little about how academic and clinical research, including at NIH, works, both professionally and by virtue of my SIL having been a pretty senior researcher there.

Well, Aardvark86 says it's ok so I guess I should take that statement over the researchers who are directly affected by this. My bad Aardvark86. My bad.

 

[MilleGinja]

Dude, i think we both know that you are out over your skis on this.

The work of clinical trials continues.

The work of agency public communications, processing of regulations, and the conduct of government meetings does not, for the moment. Maybe you're right - it may be a long, or too long, 'moment' - even for these limited things, and the ability to communicate the actual research in public fora, for example, could become adversely affected. Or, to take another example, the ability to issue public health related information. But new administrations issue hard agency pauses like the ones described, though this one is to be sure probably harder than some have been. Sometimes - probably not at nih - that's because outgoing administrations go out of their way to put stuff in the pipeline to gum up the plumbing.

But as far as "reading beyond the headline," well, it was your headline, and frankly, it was a good one because it got me to take a peek a the thread. But when I did, there wasn't anything in your post to read. So I did look at various external stories, and saw nothing about the suspension of NIH research. Still happy to be enlightened. BTW, I do know at least a little about how academic and clinical research, including at NIH, works, both professionally and by virtue of my SIL having been a pretty senior researcher there.

Bingo. Thread title is misleading, either purposefully or due to ignorance.

What, you think research just happens? You think it's like an ATM machine, insert cash and get results? By ending these things that effectively eliminated any new research being approved by the NIH. It does it in a way where people will quit so they can try to hide these cuts from the job numbers that will be coming out in a few months.

Actually read past the headline to see what the people who will be affected are saying. I see they are claiming it's "a short pause", but everything from this administration is complete bullshit so if you believe that then you probably believe Mexico paid for the wall and that the war in Ukraine is over too.

https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-hits-nih-devastating-freezes-meetings-travel-communications-and-hiring

Dude, you can’t say “read beyond the headline” when you made the headline and didn’t even initially link the article. Is it alarming? Yes. Should we be prepared for worse? Also yes.

Im not so naive to think this doesn’t signal something more on the horizon, but equating it to ending all NIH research is premature.

 

[BioHawk]

Bingo. Thread title is misleading, either purposefully or due to ignorance.


Dude, you can’t say “read beyond the headline” when you made the headline and didn’t even initially link the article. Is it alarming? Yes. Should we be prepared for worse? Also yes.

Im not so naive to think this doesn’t signal something more on the horizon, but equating it to ending all NIH research is premature.

I wasn't talking about the headline of the post, I was talking about the headline of the article I linked in the post. The post title was meant to draw eyes. It seems to have worked.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

...and here i am merely named after early computer software...

I just figured you had a huge nose…

 

[Aardvark86]

Well, Aardvark86 says it's ok so I guess I should take that statement over the researchers who are directly affected by this. My bad Aardvark86. My bad.

I'm not asking you to believe or disbelieve anything.

But, when someone talks about scientific or nonscientific research, or even mere politics, and they use the word "all" in their hook, well, that's something of a "tell".

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I just figured you had a huge nose…

I always figured his name was something that developed the nickname "ardy" and he ran with it.




Learn something new every day.

 

[Aardvark86]

I just figured you had a huge nose…

you're close. i sound a lot like jackie mason.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

The work of agency public communications, processing of regulations, and the conduct of government meetings does not, for the moment. Maybe you're right - it may be a long, or too long, 'moment' - even for these limited things, and the ability to communicate the actual research in public fora, for example, could become adversely affected. Or, to take another example, the ability to issue public health related information. But new administrations issue hard agency pauses like the ones described, though this one is to be sure probably harder than some have been. Sometimes - probably not at nih - that's because outgoing administrations go out of their way to put stuff in the pipeline to gum up the plumbing.

But as far as "reading beyond the headline," well, it was your headline, and frankly, it was a good one because it got me to take a peek a the thread. But when I did, there wasn't anything in your post to read. So I did look at various external stories, and saw nothing about the suspension of NIH research. Still happy to be enlightened. BTW, I do know at least a little about how academic and clinical research, including at NIH, works, both professionally and by virtue of my SIL having been a pretty senior researcher there.

I think this is the key point. Yea, it could be temporary, but you can’t look at these things in a vacuum.
Given the anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-government bent of this President and his administration, and acts like withdrawing from the WHO and attacking Dr. Fauci, do you believe they’ll just end the pause and pick up where they left off?

Or will they defund, delay, or generally just mismanage this so that ongoing/new research just withers?

 

[Aardvark86]

I think this is the key point. Yea, it could be temporary, but you can’t look at these things in a vacuum.
Given the anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-government bent of this President and his administration, and acts like withdrawing from the WHO and attacking Dr. Fauci, do you believe they’ll just end the pause and pick up where they left off?

Or will they defund, delay, or generally just mismanage this so that ongoing/new research just withers?

oh, it'll be temporary. probably beyond 2/1, but not long term. indeed, didn't trump just the other day make some weird reference to cancer vaccines as part of his ai announcement?

The thing about nih is, there are actual patients, physically on site, being treated using new and emerging technologies there. Many of them are among the most critically ill, if not the most hopelessly ill. They're not turning out the lights, pulling the plug, and dropping them off out in the middle of wisconsin avenue.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

oh, it'll be temporary. probably beyond 2/1, but not long term. indeed, didn't trump just the other day make some weird reference to cancer vaccines as part of his ai announcement?

The thing about nih is, there are actual patients, physically on site, being treated using new and emerging technologies there. Many of them are among the most critically ill, if not the most hopelessly ill. They're not turning out the lights, pulling the plug, and dropping them off out in the middle of wisconsin avenue.

You think they go straight to Penn Ave?


😉

 

[sabula]

oh, it'll be temporary. probably beyond 2/1, but not long term. indeed, didn't trump just the other day make some weird reference to cancer vaccines as part of his ai announcement?

The thing about nih is, there are actual patients, physically on site, being treated using new and emerging technologies there. Many of them are among the most critically ill, if not the most hopelessly ill. They're not turning out the lights, pulling the plug, and dropping them off out in the middle of wisconsin avenue.

They're not? Then Bonespurs is probably going to rethink his position, if that's the case.

 

[Huey Grey]

Huey if you want to play dumb for 4 years and try to spin everything into a reason of why you need to consider opening a branch of Kurt Cobains ceiling painting in your apartment, go for it. But I'm telling you man, you are going to get your ass drug through the mud if you try to piss yourself for 4 more years.


I like you dude, but you have got to learn to calm the **** down and actually read what is happening not the headline.

Tells me to calm down. While he is clearly taking things personally. Love it.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

oh, it'll be temporary. probably beyond 2/1, but not long term. indeed, didn't trump just the other day make some weird reference to cancer vaccines as part of his ai announcement?

The thing about nih is, there are actual patients, physically on site, being treated using new and emerging technologies there. Many of them are among the most critically ill, if not the most hopelessly ill. They're not turning out the lights, pulling the plug, and dropping them off out in the middle of wisconsin avenue.

You have more faith in this President than I ever will.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

The NIH used to be thought of as the gold standard for research. Covid and trans exposed the nih for their bias and subpar research. I hope we can make improvements to the research process.

Care to elaborate on your ridiculous claims?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

BTW, I do know at least a little about how academic and clinical research, including at NIH, works, both professionally and by virtue of my SIL having been a pretty senior researcher there.

She saying anything like this:

Several meetings of National Institutes of Health study sections, which review applications for fellowships and grants, were canceled without being rescheduled.

“Peer review via study sections is required by law in order for the NIH to disburse most of the $40 billion annual extramural budget,” said Norman E. Sharpless, a former director of the National Cancer Institute, part of the NIH. “If study sections and advisory council meetings are postponed for more than even a brief period, this will likely lead to interruptions in grant funding, which is bad for U.S. biomedical research.”

Scientific updates in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, for example, are also subject to the pause. Three new reports on the H5N1 bird flu outbreaks in dairy cows and poultry were to be published this week; now it is unclear when they will be released, a CDC official who spoke on condition of anonymity told STAT. One of the reports was the result of a study looking for undetected infections in veterinarians who work with cows.

The idea that research isn't affected is patently ridiculous.

 

[Huey Grey]

oh, it'll be temporary. probably beyond 2/1, but not long term. indeed, didn't trump just the other day make some weird reference to cancer vaccines as part of his ai announcement?

The thing about nih is, there are actual patients, physically on site, being treated using new and emerging technologies there. Many of them are among the most critically ill, if not the most hopelessly ill. They're not turning out the lights, pulling the plug, and dropping them off out in the middle of wisconsin avenue.

Well they kinda are turning out the lights. How do you do any form of science if your not allowed to communicate or hire new experts in the field you want to study?

 

[Aardvark86]

You have more faith in this President than I ever will.

that's probably technically/quantitatively true, but believe it or not, it's actually not saying much.

what i do have faith in is that the system - including the bureaucracy, notwithstanding some other feelings i have for them - has created a ship that just doesn't turn on a dime.

 

[McLovin32]

Tells me to calm down. While he is clearly taking things personally. Love it.

He's not mentally well. A very unstable human being.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Tells me to calm down. While he is clearly taking things personally. Love it.

What of my post on here lead you to believe I'm "taking it personally"?


Again it appears you are needing to create a narrative to coddle your id.

 

[Huey Grey]

that's probably technically/quantitatively true, but believe it or not, it's actually not saying much.

what i do have faith in is that the system - including the bureaucracy, notwithstanding some other feelings i have for them - has created a ship that just doesn't turn on a dime.

The ship can absolutely turn on a dime.

 

[Hawk_82]

Care to elaborate on your ridiculous claims?

The transgender research was primarily done by trans activists and in many cases they would only approve grants if you abstract supported the trans agenda.

Research was published without being able to prove the claims that were made in the articles.

 

[Huey Grey]

The transgender research was primarily done by trans activists and in many cases they would only approve grants if you abstract supported the trans agenda.

Research was published without being able to prove the claims that were made in the articles.

Shoot me. It always comes back to trans people somehow.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

The transgender research was primarily done by trans activists and in many cases they would only approve grants if you abstract supported the trans agenda.

Research was published without being able to prove the claims that were made in the articles.

Do you have a reputable link to a source for all of that information?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

that's probably technically/quantitatively true, but believe it or not, it's actually not saying much.

what i do have faith in is that the system - including the bureaucracy, notwithstanding some other feelings i have for them - has created a ship that just doesn't turn on a dime.

Some of those ships just stopped dead on a dime.