Trumps DOJ says House can impeach over defied subpoenas

[Tom Paris]

Do you think Adam Schiff is a good person? Chuck Schumer? Nancy Pelosi? I think they are all vipers. Trump is a bully and a BS artist blowhard carnival-barker. Just like a significant number of the most prominent democrats the right has had to deal with for decades. A big part of the reason I think people support Trump so strongly is for the schadenfreude of watching democrats have to look in the mirror that Trump is to them, and their indignant reaction to it (obviously with zero self awareness of the hilarious hypocrisy of their outrage).

I think Trump's honesty ends where his self interest begins...which makes him just like Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest. I dont like it, and I wish we could do better, but as the saying goes, dont wrestle with a pig...you will just get dirty and the pig likes it. Republicans finally sent their own pig to get down in the mud with the dems who for decades have unapologetically engaged in the most divisive and base politics - name calling, race-baiting, accusing every republican of wanting to starve children, kill old people, yadda yadda. They tried to make Mitt Romney, the biggest boy scout to run for President in decades, into a vicious bully who put women in binders, was going to put black folks "back in chains", and somehow gave some guys wife cancer. After watching guys like Romney get chewed up by the left, Republicans gravitated to a converted democratic who was comfortable playing their game. The fact that he was coarse and vulgar, didnt let things like accuracy get in the way of his rhetorical attacks, and apparently has no capacity for shame just makes him uniquely capable of competing with the Pelosi's and Schumer's out there.

Funny...you act like the Democrats started this. Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove. Ever heard of them? Nixon? I started switching my allegiance to the Democrats because of PoS like them.

 

[codflyer]

Ummm...your Trump DOJ has argued - in court - that Congress can't go to the courts to enforce subpoenas.

The Trump administration told a federal judge on Thursday that Congress cannot sue the executive branch, attempting to fight off a House committee's subpoena for documents related to aborted efforts to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.

James Burnham, an attorney with the Justice Department, argued that Congress cannot use the courts to enforce its subpoenas. It can only use the legislative tools it has at its disposal, he said.

"If [Congressional subpoenas] are enforceable in the courts that would be a revolution in the history of the relationship between the branches," Burnham said. "These cases would multiply like rabbits."

According to Justice, these are "the legislative tools [Congress] has at its disposal":

“The point we made in court is simply that Congress has numerous political tools it can use in battles with the Executive Branch — appropriations, legislation, nominations, and potentially in some circumstances even impeachment. For example, it can hold up funding for the President’s preferred programs, pass legislation he opposes, or refuse to confirm his nominees.”

Right there in black and white - the courts are not an option but impeachment is. Spin away.

Hmmm...I may have been off base on this one. I agree, this is convoluted and appears to be pretty contradictory. Unless I am missing something else in the context of the arguments.

I actually think it would have been better for Republicans to go ahead and call Bolton. No matter what he realistically would have said, it likely doesnt change the calculus on the charges.

In a better world, we could have had a bipartisan censure, and wouldn't have had to go through this impeachment charade.