Trump's press conference 8/25
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I liked the way Trump handled it but he still does not get my vote. Mostly he has offered no solutions(just bluster) and the solutions he has offered(deporting 11 million people) will not work.
How about waiting until your called upon? The mark of a good journalist is talking out of turn?
The audio clip I heard on the news on the radio at the top of the hour made Trump sound like an ass-bag bully shouting at the guy to sit down and shut up. No proper context whatsoever. BAU for the MSM.
Actually the best way to handle it would have been to field the question. Or maybe say "let me come back to that, Jorge."
You are drinking the Kool Aid if you think "I have a question about immigration" was Ramos "trying to get Trump to 'blow-up' and lose control." That's how Ramos began, and that's all he had said when Trump decided to turn it into a confrontation.
Again, I'm surprised at the number of normally reasonable people rushing to Trump's defense when he was clearly the one spoiling for a fight.
Clearly we have forgotten what good journalism looks like. This is what it looks like. It tries to hold politicians and powerful figures accountable and it doesn't take "no" or BS for an answer. And if this were Stephanopoulos tossing Hillary a softball, or Hannity tossing Cruz a softball, you'd agree that said journalist deserves criticism. But here a journalist is doing his job and you defend the childish politician for stamping his foot and calling for mommy to control the mean man.
Viva la Trump, Ramos was out of line and very disrespectful. Donald was more than gracious considering the rudeness displayed by this wantabe journalist.
Is Univision even a legitimate news organization?
Is Univision even a legitimate news organization?
How many times has Obama been unpresidential AS THE PRESIDENT? You let him get away with it all the time.
Saw the replay: Ramos was a huge fail journalistically, he essentially didn't ask a question when brought back into the room and recognized. He made an argument with a list of talking points rather than inquiry; whatever question may show up in a transcript was completely lost in his ramblings. In that forum, ask a question and stop talking. If the answer is non-responsive or buffoonish, ask an appropriate follow-up. What you shouldn't do is treat it like a talking head panel and spew a laundry list of talking points, interrupt, inject non-sequiturs, and argue.
Happen to think he's correct, Trump's immigration "policy" in completely unrealistic and ill-defined. But Jorge set his cause back by his failure to be professional.
Only issue with Trump's behavior was his obvious lie first time around that he didn't even know Ramos. He later mentioned him by name and that he was part of his lawsuit v Univision.
Happen to think he's correct, Trump's immigration "policy" in completely unrealistic and ill-defined. But Jorge set his cause back by his failure to be professional.
Only issue with Trump's behavior was his obvious lie first time around that he didn't even know Ramos. He later mentioned him by name and that he was part of his lawsuit v Univision.
You are shifting ground. And since I have not seen the rest of the PC - I mean what sensible person would waste time watching a Trump PC? - I won't address whether Ramos or Trump did poorly or well later on.
But one more effing time, Trump was way out of line when he browbeat Ramos in the first "round." As I pointed out, and as anyone can check for themselves, ALL RAMOS SAID WAS "Mr Trump, I have a question about immigration" before Trump went ballistic.
Treat him like what? He went above and beyond with Ramos. Trump was answering his questions and Ramos kept asking more while Trump was still talking. It's like Ramos wanted to be at the microphone giving the press conference. This went on for what seemed like forever. Ramos kept talking, and Trump kept answering. It basically turned into a discussion between Trump and Ramos with a bunch of people standing around.
So I don't know why you're claiming Trump treated him poorly in anyway?
I'll play the role of you this time. You are a complete freaking idiot. Trump basically had a one on one discussion with Ramos while the press conference was put on hold. Trump was very patient with him. Had you listened to the entire thing, there's no way you could sanely defend your first comment. But of course, you'd still defend it.
And before you get your grannie panties in a wad, I will not be voting for Trump. He is just too far off the hinges for my taste. That said, he was way more than fair with Ramos.
Go back and listen to the entire, lets call it Trump/Ramos Debate, because it wasn't a press conference.
Just think what they would be saying if Obama had acted the same way in that situation.
Disagree about the first round as well, as I understand it anyway. This was a press conference, not a press availability or drive by, and at press conferences the reporters are called on. It is not a free for all shouting match to get the principal's attention and to get a question heard.
Now, realistically, Ramos probably would not have been given a question (after all Trump continues to completely banned the DMR) so I understand Ramos' aggressiveness in attempting to shout down all other questions. Just as Ramos should understand such tactics were outside the bounds and could result in exactly what happened.
Trump is the angry man tapping into the anger of many, as demonstrated by the behavior of an assumed supporter while Ramos was in the hallway, where this exchange occurred:
Get out of my Country.
I am a US citizen sir.
Its not about you, get out.
WTF?
Oh, and then Trump's staffer approached Ramos and asked him if he would like to reenter, and he said yes can I ask a question? The staffer said yes, if you wait to be called on. She comes off quite well.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jorge-ramos-donald-trump-supporter
Parser, Trump will detonate, just bide your time. But mountain out of molehilling this incident is too much like Fox's faux outrage of the day.
Lastly, anybody from Dubuque recognize Mr. Get out of MY Country? Has on a suit and a nice bowtie, but doesn't act very professional.
Now, realistically, Ramos probably would not have been given a question (after all Trump continues to completely banned the DMR) so I understand Ramos' aggressiveness in attempting to shout down all other questions. Just as Ramos should understand such tactics were outside the bounds and could result in exactly what happened.
Trump is the angry man tapping into the anger of many, as demonstrated by the behavior of an assumed supporter while Ramos was in the hallway, where this exchange occurred:
Get out of my Country.
I am a US citizen sir.
Its not about you, get out.
WTF?
Oh, and then Trump's staffer approached Ramos and asked him if he would like to reenter, and he said yes can I ask a question? The staffer said yes, if you wait to be called on. She comes off quite well.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jorge-ramos-donald-trump-supporter
Parser, Trump will detonate, just bide your time. But mountain out of molehilling this incident is too much like Fox's faux outrage of the day.
Lastly, anybody from Dubuque recognize Mr. Get out of MY Country? Has on a suit and a nice bowtie, but doesn't act very professional.
Again, watch the actual exchange. When you say "I understand Ramos' aggressiveness in attempting to shout down all other questions," you are buying the wingnut characterization. Ramos did NOT shout. He did not attempt to shout down all other questions. As I have pointed out several times, as Trump came to the podium, Ramos simply said "Mr Trump I have a question about immigration." And Trump went off.
Have you seen press conferences? Unless things have changed a good bit in recent years (I've pretty much stopped watching them, so maybe they have), journalists are ALWAYS standing and calling out their question in the hope of getting a chance to be called upon. NOTHING Ramos did was outside that traditional press behavior.
Yes, I watched I last night. Trump called on others, Ramos raised his volume so the person called on could not be heard. Trump again called on another, and Ramos again raised the volume. Guess shout is an subjective characterization, but he raised the volume multiple times and was the only person behaving in that fashion.
Watch the clip again and report back just how many other questions were being called out. The answer is none, the other press (stooges perhaps, I don't know the corp makeup) were waiting to be called upon and completely quiet while waiting for the called upon question. The reason Ramos got called back in, presumably, is that when called upon in the interim 2 different reporters asked questions about escorting Ramos out of the room.
Do you understand the different kinds of press interactions? Press conferences, press availabilities, so called drive-bys, and random access all are different. In the white house briefing room for example, you can get banned for calling out one question. Different candidates and situations can have different expectations, but it is abundantly clear that the entire press group in that room had a shared understanding of the nature of the press interaction, with the exception of Mr. Ramos.
And really dude, you haven't watched a press conference in years yet you claim to know what ALWAYS happens and NOTHING done was unusual
Like I said, if you want to bang on Trump and dance on his grave, just be patient. Meanwhile, don't cry wolf.
Pepe Ramos is a maniac he is known for being a raging illegal alien lover. I don't even consider him a journalist and hopefully he doesn't get to attend anymore of these candidates meetings.
Pepe is a complete farce.
Pepe is a complete farce.
This foreigner comes to middle America and demands that a Presidential candidate answer his questions? He defiantly said "no" two or three times to Mr. Trump. In addition this foreigner initially refuses to leave.
Hopefully after Donald wins office Jorge is one of the first illegals escorted toward the border.
Hopefully after Donald wins office Jorge is one of the first illegals escorted toward the border.
When is he going to learn the language?
If Pepe wants to report on bad government he needs to go back to Mecico
HAhahahahaha! Yeah, good luck with your guy winning that whole election thing.
Pepino wasn't asking questions he was standing there making a speech.
Pepino tried to be a bully and that doesn't work with Donald Trump.
Pepino should be concerned with Mexico's immigration laws, if we adopted the Mexican immigration laws would Pepino be happier, I hardly think so?
Pepino is a activist not a journalist.
Pepino tried to be a bully and that doesn't work with Donald Trump.
Pepino should be concerned with Mexico's immigration laws, if we adopted the Mexican immigration laws would Pepino be happier, I hardly think so?
Pepino is a activist not a journalist.
I could if he's the GOP nominee. You can't get elected if the only people who vote for you are racist white people. He will lose every single other demographic. He will do worse than McCain did against Obama. The GOP's one chance of having an electable candidate is being forced to say and do things that will make him completely unelectable by the time the primaries are over. Don't worry though, you'll always have the midterms.
Edit: Sorry, he will also win really, really, really, rich people. But that won't be enough either.
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This is just wrong.
Go to a clip that starts with the chubby guy yielding the podium to Trump.
Turn up the volume and you will hear Ramos ask "Mr Trump, I have a question about immigration."
That's BEFORE Trump calls on anyone else.
And once you see that, come back and correct your out-of-control misinterpretation.
Here, try this one:
In the clip I originally saw (CBS) but can't find now, I didn't need to crank up the volume to hear Ramos. And maybe that's why people like you keep insisting that the right wing spin is right. If you don't know that Ramos began his question before Trump decided to ignore him, and began in a respectful tone and with respectful wording, then maybe you would perceive Ramos to be in the wrong. But the actual clip shoots that spin down.
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You're just going to go down with the ship, aren't you.. Admirable, I guess.
Pepino didn't ask a question he went on a political rant. Being the brilliant person he is Donald recognized this wasn't a question and moved on.
And I'm sure you'd come in with more nonproductive comments that do nothing but accelerate a thread into another bitch fest and do nothing to progress the conversation.
Now, do you have anything of value to say? I won't hold my breath.
I stand corrected on the completely missing the point fact regarding Mr. Ramos' volume. Surprised you didn't go on to highlight my erroneous statement about the guys bowtie in the hall.
He appeared with an agenda, fine, and immediately tried to take control of an event that was not his to control. He violated the decorum of the event that 100% of the other press observed. He apparently has no understanding of press conferences (or different types of press events), just like a person who comments on what ALWASY happens in them despite not having seen one for years.
But that is silly gotcha irrelevant bs, form over substance. Making a mountain out of that molehill is crying wolf, save your outrage for something worth your time. Perhaps you should re-read your screen name and adjust your priorities.
The substance in his 2nd go round was journalistic incompetence, plain and simple-as I posted above which you ignored to argue the irrelevant. In Univision's statement I see they make a plea for Mr. Trump to go on Mr. Ramos' show, which is apparently a talking head program like O'Reilly's and Maddow's Makes sense because, as I observed above, that is how he treated the press conference.
This kind of crap blurs what matters. Ramos is right on the important issue of Trump's immigration plan being unrealistic and ill-defined. But by acting without appropriate decorum or journalistic competence he allows Trump and his supporters (like the hallway guy and Pelini) to focus on that stupid issue instead of what matters.
Round em up and move em out.
I do not think Trumps plan is unrealistic we need to round them up and take them back across the border, using everything at our border including railroad boxcars.
Look through this thread. Already added something worth while. And you know what I said is true.
Your schtick hasn't changed in 5 years. Same shit, different day. You really need to come up with some new material.
Nope. You claimed I added nothing to this thread. I told you to read through it, as I listened to the press conference and explained what I heard and how WWJD was wrong about the treatment as a whole throughout the press conference.
So Bio, if anyone needs a new schtick, it's you. You're still here defending the left and condemning the right no matter what the issue. Time for a change.
