Tulane virologists "Study: Coronavirus pandemic sparked by nature, not bioengineering"-try to understand

[uihawk82]

OK, all you idiot maggats that think you know about viruses. This research was done in March 2020. I read about it then. see if you can understand the science involved.

These people are way smarter that youse folks about viruses.

Study: Coronavirus pandemic sparked by nature, not bioengineering

Tulane University News and Press Releases

news.tulane.edu

 

[Jerome Silberman]

The national conversation has regressed four years all at once.

 

[Urohawk]

OK, all you idiot maggats that think you know about viruses. This research was done in March 2020. I read about it then. see if you can understand the science involved.

These people are way smarter that youse folks about viruses.

Study: Coronavirus pandemic sparked by nature, not bioengineering

Tulane University News and Press Releases

news.tulane.edu

I've never understood how people could think this is lab manufactured. We uses certain proteins and dna sequence codes to splice in segments of DNA. Those are pretty well known and universally used. The idea that we wouldn't find these artificial markers is a bit obtuse.

-A guy who used to manufacture viruses in Iowa City.

Viral Vector Core Facility | Carver College of Medicine | The University of Iowa

vectorcore.medicine.uiowa.edu

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Waste of bandwidth. They can’t understand it because they don’t want to understand it. These idiots are 100% committed to their lies…nothing can dissuade them.

 

[Hawk_82]

This article was released 1 day after the proximal origin paper was released.

Robert Garry was one of the authors of the proximal origin paper and was in this article.

There is plenty of evidence that they had political motivation in stating it was natural origin rather than a lab leak.

The authors are on record saying they still can't rule out a lab leak. I think i remember seeing during their testifying that they said it was more of an opinion piece.

 

[Hawk_82]

I've never understood how people could think this is lab manufactured. We uses certain proteins and dna sequence codes to splice in segments of DNA. Those are pretty well known and universally used. The idea that we wouldn't find these artificial markers is a bit obtuse.

-A guy who used to manufacture viruses in Iowa City.

Viral Vector Core Facility | Carver College of Medicine | The University of Iowa

vectorcore.medicine.uiowa.edu

How much have you read about the coronavirus research by the bat lady prior to covid? They detail how they added a furin cleavage site to a coronavirus so that the virus could attach to humanized lung tissue in a mouse. There is also mention about how they tried to hide this splicing so it can't be detected.

I don't know how anyone who read Shi Shengli's research prior to covid could still think covid came from nature.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Final-Report-6.pdf

 

[KFsdisciple]

Dr. Robert Redfield, the former CDC Director, says that U.S. taxpayer money from USAID, NIH, State Department, and DOD funded the creation of SARS-CoV-2:"They wanted a single narrative, and I had a different point of view... Science has debate, and they squashed any debate... There's no doubt that NIH was funding gain of function research." Is it likely that American tax dollars funded the gain-of-function research that created this virus? "I think it did. Not only from NIH, but from the State Department, USAID, and from DOD."

 

[noleclone2]

Sorry guys, but I am going to have to go with what someone like Alex Jones tells me over some namby- pamby virologist.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Setting the origin aside...there's still plenty to be pissed off at the CCP about.

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

China didn't warn public of likely pandemic for 6 key days

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

apnews.com

They've really never been held accountable.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Setting the origin aside...there's still plenty to be pissed off at the CCP about.

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

China didn't warn public of likely pandemic for 6 key days

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

apnews.com

They've really never been held accountable.

That wasn't going to happen as soon as the US immediately started lobbing spurious accusations. For there to have been accountability and a clear-eyed investigation that includes the West there needed to be coalition building and international cooperation, and that was not on the menu at the time.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

That wasn't going to happen as soon as the US immediately started lobbing spurious accusations. For there to have been accountability and a clear-eyed investigation that includes the West there needed to be coalition building and international cooperation, and that was not on the menu at the time.

The CCP wasn't the victim. Their actions contributed to the speed of worldwide transmission.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

The CCP wasn't the victim. Their actions contributed to the speed of worldwide transmission.

Who said they were?

 

[hawkedoff]

Trying to sell the lie again are you? No one believes it and the truth is coming out about USAID funding the research that lef to gain of function for covid. They did it.

 

[runkpanole]

Setting the origin aside...there's still plenty to be pissed off at the CCP about.

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

China didn't warn public of likely pandemic for 6 key days

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

apnews.com

They've really never been held accountable.

Didn’t warn and now our public health entity is starting to take the same approach. What could go wrong?

 

[The Tradition]

Setting the origin aside...there's still plenty to be pissed off at the CCP about.

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

China didn't warn public of likely pandemic for 6 key days

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

apnews.com

They've really never been held accountable.

Doesn't really matter. Once the virus was in the wild, there was nothing we could have done to stop it.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Who said they were?

You seemed to be blaming the US for their late reporting.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Doesn't really matter. Once the virus was in the wild, there was nothing we could have done to stop it.

We weren't gonna stop it but slowing down the spread initially would have been beneficial.

 

[noleclone2]

You seemed to be blaming the US for their late reporting.

You seem to be coming up with revisionist history. The pandemic was a widely known issue by US citizens by late January. One can only imagine what the Trump admin had for information to get ahead of it, which they did not, or to admit how bad it was, which they did not until things were past hiding here. Heck, I made a decent killing cashing all my 401k in money markets before the crash (though got back in too late for a real killing).

Nobody is shocked or even thinks China did not cover things up. That is par for the course. And the Trump admin was trying the same thing.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

You seemed to be blaming the US for their late reporting.

No, I'm blaming the leadership of the US for being undisciplined and refusing to take the diplomatic lead. The chance for any clarity had to come through international diplomacy with the US at the table. We went quasi-isolationist and gave voice to unsubstantiated claims from the highest levels of government. Chaos won, and we are all now able to choose what to believe from a menu of half-truths and assumptions.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

You seem to be coming up with revisionist history. The pandemic was a widely known issue by US citizens by late January. One can only imagine what the Trump information. Heck, I made a decent killing cashing all my 401k in money markets before the crash (though got back in too late for a real killing).

Nobody is shocked or even thinks China did not cover things up. That is par for the course.

I don't know what the Chinese government did or didn't do, but you're right that this was known before it was here in large numbers and that our response was entirely reactionary after the initial hope it's gone by Easter strategy.

 

[hawkedoff]

No, I'm blaming the leadership of the US for being undisciplined and refusing to take the diplomatic lead. The chance for any clarity had to come through international diplomacy with the US at the table. We went quasi-islationist and gave voice to unsubstantiated claims from the highest levels of government. Chaos won, and we are all now able to choose what to believe from a menu of half-truths and assumptions.

The people in charge of our health deliberately lied to the American people about the origins of this virus to hide their complicity in its creation. They are responsible for the death of millions and the used their actions to continue to lie and make millions of dollars for themselves and pharmaceutical companies. Not to mention the control measures they put in place that were illegal and against all American values. What they did is beyond criminal in a legal sense. It was a crime against humanity and they did on purpose

 

[Jerome Silberman]

The people in charge of our health deliberately lied to the American people about the origins of this virus to hide their complicity in its creation. They are responsible for the death of millions and the used their actions to continue to lie and make millions of dollars for themselves and pharmaceutical companies. Not to mention the control measures they put in place that were illegal and against all American values. What they did is beyond criminal in a legal sense. It was a crime against humanity and they did on purpose

You don't know any of that.

 

[EagleHawk]

Setting the origin aside...there's still plenty to be pissed off at the CCP about.

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

China didn't warn public of likely pandemic for 6 key days

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

apnews.com

They've really never been held accountable.

Oh, so the OG Sturgis?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

You seem to be coming up with revisionist history. The pandemic was a widely known issue by US citizens by late January. One can only imagine what the Trump admin had for information to get ahead of it, which they did not, or to admit how bad it was, which they did not until things were past hiding here. Heck, I made a decent killing cashing all my 401k in money markets before the crash (though got back in too late for a real killing).

Nobody is shocked or even thinks China did not cover things up. That is par for the course. And the Trump admin was trying the same thing.

Late January?

The WHO didn't declare it an emergency until Jan 30 and declared it a pandemic 11 March.

 

[noleclone2]

Late January?

The WHO didn't declare it an emergency until Jan 30 and declared it a pandemic 11 March.

When Will You Get Worried About the Coronavirus?

A week or so ago there were 400 infected people and a handful of deaths. All in China (iirc). A few days ago there were 4000 infected people, in a number of nations, and 80-odd deaths. Now it's around 8000 infected - including 6 in the US - and over a hundred deaths. When does it get "real"...

iowa.forums.rivals.com

And there were earlier threads weeks before-here was us starting to realize things were getting bad....I could not find those due to 10 page limit on search. Just read the comments and you can tell we had been talking on HROT for weeks already on it.
Found this one because back then we made jokes about the beer...


Such innocent times. Funny how you forget.....

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

When Will You Get Worried About the Coronavirus?

A week or so ago there were 400 infected people and a handful of deaths. All in China (iirc). A few days ago there were 4000 infected people, in a number of nations, and 80-odd deaths. Now it's around 8000 infected - including 6 in the US - and over a hundred deaths. When does it get "real"...

iowa.forums.rivals.com

And there were earlier threads weeks before-here was us starting to realize things were getting bad....I could not find those due to 10 page limit on search. Found this one because back then we made jokes about the beer...

Such innocent times. Funny how you forget.....

You seem to be forgetting a few things as well.

 

[noleclone2]

You seem to be forgetting a few things as well.

Am I? I just shared a post from late January where some of us were warning of how bad things may get. We had been talking about it for weeks prior. None of us worked at the highest levels of government and had access to intel.

 

[seminole97]

The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering.

This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2’s backbone – its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.

https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/w...5/Text-of-Renewal-Grant-–-NIH-R01AI110964-.pdf


What do you think this experiment is trying to do:

3.3 Virus characterization: 3.3.a Construction of chimeric SARSr-CoV viruses: Infectious clones with the S gene of novel SARSr-CoVs and the SARSr-CoV WIV1 genome backbone using the reverse genetic system developed in our previous R01 (24). The correct infectious BAC clones will be screened by BAC DNA digestion with appropriate restriction enzyme or PCR amplification. The chimeric viruses will be rescued in Vero cells and then verified by sequence analyses. Our research group is well versed in coronavirus reverse genetics.
...
3.3.b Primary human airway epithelial cell culture: Primary human ciliated airway epithelial cells (HAE)cultures from the lungs of transplant recipients represent highly differentiated human airway epithelium containing ciliated and non-ciliated epithelial and goblet cells, grown on an air-liquid interface for several weeks prior to use (18, 55, 56). We will prepare HAE cultures from three different patient codes in triplicate in collaboration with the tissue procurement facility at the Cystic Fibrosis Center at UNC. Cultures will be inoculated with chimeric bat SARSr-CoVs to assess efficient replication. A
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3.3.c Humanized mouse infection experiments: Briefly, in BSL3, n=5 10- to 20-week old hACE2 transgenic mice will be intranasally inoculated with 1 x 104 PFU of wildtype WIV-1 or chimeric bat SARSr-CoVs with different spike proteins, then monitored daily for weight loss, morbidity, and clinical signs of disease.

 

[cohawk]

The people in charge of our health deliberately lied to the American people about the origins of this virus to hide their complicity in its creation. They are responsible for the death of millions and the used their actions to continue to lie and make millions of dollars for themselves and pharmaceutical companies. Not to mention the control measures they put in place that were illegal and against all American values. What they did is beyond criminal in a legal sense. It was a crimlikee against humanity and they did on purpose

NO, they didn't and you don't have any proof of anything that. Like most on the right, you pass off your opinion as fact.

 

[KFsdisciple]

NO, they didn't and you don't have any proof of anything that. Like most on cable news you pass off your opinion as fact.

FIFY

 

[Rifler]

In March of 2020 this was the accepted "truth", as it was disseminated to the masses at that time,.. Not sure what point OP is making here...

 

[hawkedoff]

NO, they didn't and you don't have any proof of anything that. Like most on the right, you pass off your opinion as fact.

Yes they absolutely did. You are either going to continue to push the lies these people told or wake up and expect these people to be held accountable and for real change to occur so it doesn't happen again. The gaslighting might not be over from your tribe but the believing it is over

 

[MichaelKeller99]

You seem to be coming up with revisionist history. The pandemic was a widely known issue by US citizens by late January. One can only imagine what the Trump admin had for information to get ahead of it, which they did not, or to admit how bad it was, which they did not until things were past hiding here. Heck, I made a decent killing cashing all my 401k in money markets before the crash (though got back in too late for a real killing).

Nobody is shocked or even thinks China did not cover things up. That is par for the course. And the Trump admin was trying the same thing.

According to the esteemed and totally honest Dr. Fauci (theatlantic.com; The First Three Months) he received an inquiry from an unnamed reporter on January 1, 2020, asking about 'covid', of which Fauci professed to know nothing.

Then on January 2, he was quoted by a colleague as saying 'whatever this (covid) turns out to be, we're going to need a vaccine'.

Fauci and Trump played you all like a bunch of cheap drums.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Am I? I just shared a post from late January where some of us were warning of how bad things may get. We had been talking about it for weeks prior. None of us worked at the highest levels of government and had access to intel.

I guess the entire world should have been listening to you. Kudos.

 

[noleclone2]

I guess the entire world should have been listening to you. Kudos.

If only more people would figure this out!

 

[Rifler]

I guess the entire world should have been listening to you. Kudos.

Have to admit that I can recall the first few times hearing about a coronavirus and reading all the obligatory Corona beer jokes....

 

[Aardvark86]

If anybody knows something about viruses it’s a university in New Orleans

 

[uihawk82]

In March of 2020 this was the accepted "truth", as it was disseminated to the masses at that time,.. Not sure what point OP is making here...

What was the accepted truth and who disseminated it?

My point is there are posters on this forum who keep bringing up and stating that covid was lab created in china. They say it as fact and no one knows it as fact. And the leading evidence found by experts is that it was a natural selection process that created covid 19 that could infect humans. I am just countering these poster's lack of evidence and their statements.

But what accepted truth are you talking about?