Tulsi Approved

[seminole97]

No. She lost alot of support with her foreign policy positions.

Yeah, calling out Hillary's warmongering put the target on her back.
Genuinely fascinating watching the Left fully embrace McCarthyism.

Senator Joseph R. McCarthy was a little-known junior senator from Wisconsin until February 1950 when he claimed to possess a list of 205 card-carrying Communists employed in the U.S. Department of State. From that moment Senator McCarthy became a tireless crusader against Communism in the early 1950s, a period that has been commonly referred to as the "Red Scare." As chairman of the Senate Permanent Investigation Subcommittee, Senator McCarthy conducted hearings on communist subversion in America and investigated alleged communist infiltration of the Armed Forces. His subsequent exile from politics coincided with a conversion of his name into a modern English noun "McCarthyism," or adjective, "McCarthy tactics," when describing similar witch hunts in recent American history. [The American Heritage Dictionary gives the definition of McCarthyism as: 1. The political practice of publicizing accusations of disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence; and 2. The use of methods of investigation and accusation regarded as unfair, in order to suppress opposition.] Senator McCarthy was censured by the U.S. Senate on December 2, 1954 and died May 2, 1957.

 

[bcherod]

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here about what is legal and what is not.

For example, it is illegal to break into a federal building. It is illegal to enter certain restricted areas.

It is illegal to leak classified documents.

Here’s one of the answers from a retired AF fighter pilot.

“Snowden knew full well what he was doing and what would likely happen to him. So he did immense damage with his eyes widen open. As a result of his release in Wikileaks, numerous Americans have died or disappeared.”

 

[seminole97]

Here’s one of the answers from a retired AF fighter pilot.

“Snowden knew full well what he was doing and what would likely happen to him. So he did immense damage with his eyes widen open. As a result of his release in Wikileaks, numerous Americans have died or disappeared.”

Any of them have a name? Is there any evidence for this claim?

If the Feds could pin a death on him, why haven't they?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

We are all assets to the extent of the loosely used term of assets when it comes to politics. Do I think she was purposely working with Russia? No

I haven’t paid much attention to these confirmation hearings because I have an idea of who I think I would like or not like. But I do think it is not a bad to change the status quo of this position when you look at the history of our foreign policy and what the spooks have been doing since it was created in 2004.

LOL...when she deliberately parrots Russian propaganda...and she blatantly lies to do it...well, if she doesn't know she's an asset, she's too fvcking stupid to breathe. Last time I saw here, she was still breathing. Tulsi Gabbard deliberately backed Putin's propaganda for whatever purpose. She knew she was doing it and she did it anyway. Don't believe it? Ask to see her "undeniable facts" - HER words - regarding US supported bioweapons labs in Ukraine. Her blank stare will be your confirmation.

 

[bcherod]

If you looked hard enough, I’m sure you could find the names of many AF officers who would make this statement.

But, you really have no business knowing who my friends and family are.

But, based on your post, you have no respect for privacy, yet you hide behind an anonymous screen name.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Any of them have a name? Is there any evidence for this claim?

If the Feds could pin a death on him, why haven't they?

So if Snowden's leaks led terrorists to change the way they were communicating for example, and intelligence forces missed information concerning an attack...1) How would we know? 2) How could you draw a line from the leaks to the deaths that transpired?

The only really relevant question is whether knowing what we now know worth the damage he caused. I'd probably go with "yes" but the idea that he didn't likely put lives at risk is either hopelessly naive or supremely apologistic.

 

[libbity bibbity]

This country is so fvcked.

Maybe we could put that dumbass James Clapper back in control, then again, nope, he had his security clearance revoked.

 

[MitchLL]

Maybe we could put that dumbass James Clapper back in control, then again, nope, he had his security clearance revoked.

Is Clapper a convicted felon?

 

[seminole97]

Is Clapper a convicted felon?

He lied to Congress under oath about the illegal spying.

Even in a city with a notoriously fluid notion of truth, Clapper’s false testimony was a standout. Clapper appeared before the Senate to discuss surveillance programs in the midst of a controversy over warrantless surveillance of the American public. He was asked directly, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?” There was no ambiguity or confusion and Clapper responded, “No, sir. … Not wittingly.” That was a lie and Clapper knew it when he said it.
Later, Clapper said that his testimony was “the least untruthful” statement he could make. That would still make it a lie of course but Clapper is a made guy. While feigned shock and disgust, most Democratic leaders notably did not call for his prosecution. Soon Clapper was back testifying and former president Obama even put Clapper on a federal panel to review the very programs that he lied about in Congress. Clapper is now regularly appearing on cable shows which, for example, used Clapper’s word as proof that Trump was lying in saying that there was surveillance of Trump Tower carried out by President Barack Obama. CNN and other networks used Clapper’s assurance without ever mentioning that he previously lied about surveillance programs.

 

[sober_teacher]

It's amazing how, even though you know that the Obama administration deliberately got him stuck there, and then misrepresented it to the public, you accuse him of the 'spin' on his actions.

I don't think his unwillingness to destroy his life to the degree some people apparently would prefer in any way changes the importance of what he did.

Was he not making a run for it? That’s why I’m critical of him here.

No spin required.

 

[seminole97]

Was he not making a run for it? That’s why I’m critical of him here.

No spin required.

He was seeking asylum, but he wasn't seeking it in Russia. The Obama administration decided it would benefit their spin to trap him there, so they did, and it worked on lots of people (evidenced repeatedly on this board over the years).

 

[bcherod]

He was seeking asylum, but he wasn't seeking it in Russia. The Obama administration decided it would benefit their spin to trap him there, so they did, and it worked on lots of people (evidenced repeatedly on this board over the years).

And you know this how?

 

[sober_teacher]

He was seeking asylum, but he wasn't seeking it in Russia. The Obama administration decided it would benefit their spin to trap him there, so they did, and it worked on lots of people (evidenced repeatedly on this board over the years).

So yes, he ran.

Stay and face the music.

 

[zappaa]

Is Clapper a convicted felon?

He should be

 

[seminole97]

And you know this how?

See post #38 in this thread.

He fled to Hong Kong, where he shared the files on illegal domestic spying with reporters. He was then flying to Ecuador where he had been seeking asylum and the White House deliberately revoked his passport while he was in a layover at the Moscow airport, so they could trap him in Russia and then make the bogus claim that he had fled there, omitting how they had legally trapped him there.
And people keep repeating it. It worked so well on a lot of people, like the 'fine people' hoax.



Many accuse the whistleblower of working for Moscow, but during his interview with NBC, Snowden claimed that has "no relationship with the Russian government at all." Greenwald says this is a tactic that the U.S. government has used before.

When Daniel Ellsberg "leaked the Pentagon Papers, the Nixon Administration and all of its allies in the media constantly told the public that he was getting paid by the Russians, that he was a Russian spy, that he was on their payroll, and that he was harming national security," says Greenwald.

When asked about Snowden's ties to Russia, Greenwald says the accusation is meant to hurt Snowden's credibility in the same way they were designed to discredit Ellsberg.

"It is the same accusatory clichés and fear mongering campaigns that they use against every whistleblower," says Greenwald. "If anybody has a shred of evidence that Edward Snowden has any relationship with the Russians like your question asked about, then they should come forward with it. He didn't choose to be in Russia, he was passing through Russia on his way to Latin America. He was forced to remain there because the U.S. government revoked his passport and then bullied the Cubans out of giving him safe passage through to Ecuador, where he wanted to seek asylum."

 

[Thunderlips71]

You think she’d be a little happier about it…

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Yeah, calling out Hillary's warmongering put the target on her back.
Genuinely fascinating watching the Left fully embrace McCarthyism.

Senator Joseph R. McCarthy was a little-known junior senator from Wisconsin until February 1950 when he claimed to possess a list of 205 card-carrying Communists employed in the U.S. Department of State. From that moment Senator McCarthy became a tireless crusader against Communism in the early 1950s, a period that has been commonly referred to as the "Red Scare." As chairman of the Senate Permanent Investigation Subcommittee, Senator McCarthy conducted hearings on communist subversion in America and investigated alleged communist infiltration of the Armed Forces. His subsequent exile from politics coincided with a conversion of his name into a modern English noun "McCarthyism," or adjective, "McCarthy tactics," when describing similar witch hunts in recent American history. [The American Heritage Dictionary gives the definition of McCarthyism as: 1. The political practice of publicizing accusations of disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence; and 2. The use of methods of investigation and accusation regarded as unfair, in order to suppress opposition.] Senator McCarthy was censured by the U.S. Senate on December 2, 1954 and died May 2, 1957.

Or as I prefer to call it, in it's resurrected form, "Hillaryism." But to be fair, it's really McCarthyism lite.

Keep in mind that Hillary was the last leading Democrat to walk back her support of the Iraq War. As a Democrat, she's a corporate neocon through and through.

Hillary is a tough, hardworking, intelligent, experienced lady. But she lacks honor, honesty and vision. In it's search for a better path and identity, the Democratic Party should be leaving Hillary and her ilk on the dust heap of history.

JMO

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

American intelligence officers will die because of this.

🥜

 

[MitchLL]

He should be

I guess there wasn't enough evidence against him to file charges?

Now, about your boy Trump.
CONVICTED FELON

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

American intelligence officers will die because of this.

Why do you think that?

Tulsi wouldn't have been my choice for the job, of course, but she might be one of Trump's better choices among his appointees. In her political career, she has supported a number of very good positions. Some bad ones, too, especially a couple of her flip-flops. But that still leaves her way ahead of most true Rs and MAGAs.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

He was seeking asylum, but he wasn't seeking it in Russia. The Obama administration decided it would benefit their spin to trap him there, so they did, and it worked on lots of people (evidenced repeatedly on this board over the years).

Correct.

 

[seminole97]

Or as I prefer to call it, in it's resurrected form, "Hillaryism." But to be fair, it's really McCarthyism lite.

Keep in mind that Hillary was the last leading Democrat to walk back her support of the Iraq War. As a Democrat, she's a corporate neocon through and through.

Hillary is a tough, hardworking, intelligent, experienced lady. But she lacks honor, honesty and vision. In it's search for a better path and identity, the Democratic Party should be leaving Hillary and her ilk on the dust heap of history.

JMO

She is an embodiment of The Establishment.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

See post #38 in this thread.

He fled to Hong Kong, where he shared the files on illegal domestic spying with reporters. He was then flying to Ecuador where he had been seeking asylum and the White House deliberately revoked his passport while he was in a layover at the Moscow airport, so they could trap him in Russia and then make the bogus claim that he had fled there, omitting how they had legally trapped him there.
And people keep repeating it. It worked so well on a lot of people, like the 'fine people' hoax.

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Many accuse the whistleblower of working for Moscow, but during his interview with NBC, Snowden claimed that has "no relationship with the Russian government at all." Greenwald says this is a tactic that the U.S. government has used before.

When Daniel Ellsberg "leaked the Pentagon Papers, the Nixon Administration and all of its allies in the media constantly told the public that he was getting paid by the Russians, that he was a Russian spy, that he was on their payroll, and that he was harming national security," says Greenwald.

When asked about Snowden's ties to Russia, Greenwald says the accusation is meant to hurt Snowden's credibility in the same way they were designed to discredit Ellsberg.

"It is the same accusatory clichés and fear mongering campaigns that they use against every whistleblower," says Greenwald. "If anybody has a shred of evidence that Edward Snowden has any relationship with the Russians like your question asked about, then they should come forward with it. He didn't choose to be in Russia, he was passing through Russia on his way to Latin America. He was forced to remain there because the U.S. government revoked his passport and then bullied the Cubans out of giving him safe passage through to Ecuador, where he wanted to seek asylum."

While this was still going on, I read Greenwald's book No Place to Hide. I strongly recommend it if you want a "breaking news" account without years of propaganda tainting it.

After that I read the more mainstream journalism account - more measured but still excellent - by Luke Harding, The Snowden Files: The Inside Story of the World's Most Wanted Man.

Both books are enjoyable, even riveting. Anyone who wants to know the story, rather than blindly regurgitate their echo chamber's talking points, should check these out.

Meanwhile, the video Citizen Four is available (free with ads) on YouTube, here

 

[libbity bibbity]

Is Clapper a convicted felon?

Is Tulsi?