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Two Deeps & Game Notes for Iowa vs. Minnesota

Saturday recognitions include:
  • Iowa will recognize former Hawkeye Andre Tippett for his induction into the National Football Foundation College Football Hall of Fame.
  • Iowa’s 1981 football team will also be recognized. The 1981 Hawkeyes shared the Big Ten title and earned an invitation to the 1982 Rose Bowl, ending a streak of 19 consecutive non-winning seasons. Hayden Fry’s family members will be recognized along with the 1981 squad.
 
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Bohawk said:
Hogan #2 which means Petras is either not dressing or working as the emergency QB. So safe to say this isn't a "benching of Petras", but a start for Padilla due to injury. Semantics, I know, but deliberate at the same time. All doors remain open.
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i am guessing since Spencer is not fully healthy, this allows Padilla to get most of the snaps and allows Deuce some snaps as well

now lets see what Alex does with this opportunity. Show us what you got, kid.
 
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l.todd said:
And Deuce listed as second string. Interesting.
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iowahaha1 said:
that is going to get some buzz
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The Deplorable Sleeping Dog said:
Unless both Alex and the Deuce both crash I think we've seen the last of Spencer.

Alex earned this start on the field. I'm sure the coaches saw what everyone else saw after Alex entered the game. Graceful way to put Spencer out to pasture.
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This is the type of post that is laughable. Really the last of Spencer? Based on what? Three-quarters of the backup QB against a bad Northwestern team. What did Alex do to earn his spot on the field? I doubt we've seen the last of Petras. I am not saying he's played well only that he'll be back once healthy. He's out because of an injury.
 
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Underscore2 said:
What what do you mean by that.

That's just too wide open. I'm kinda worried now.

Ok I'm just gonna breathe, it's probably nothing just an inside joke lol yea that's it yea haha yea haha lol yea..
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Chad Leistikow had a postgame article where he referred to it as the Alex Padilla era; I don't think it's an era until Alex completely wins the job and has several starts in a row
 
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Personally, I don't think Spencer was that dinged up to begin with out of Wisconsin. I think he got hit, but at the point he got hit KF had seen enough, the game was over, and time to get Padilla some reps because he may need them going down the road.

Then Northwestern came, and it gave KF the opportunity to start Petras all while avoiding the benching controversy at Wisconsin because he was hurt, not by poor play. I think at that point KF thought that Spencer still gave this team the best opportunity to win because of how much the staff had invested in him and his experience. But when he played poorly against NW after 3 series, that benching was totally based on performance.

So now, to avoid the quarterback controversy, KF says Petras is hurt and lets KF avoid from choosing sides. This way if Padilla comes out and balls out, then Petras will just remain on the bench because he is hurt. If Padilla struggles really bad, it gives KF the opportunity to put Petras in because he is ready and not hurt anymore. All of this is just a way to let KF not have to commit to anyone and let them buy time to evaluate the future.
 
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BUCKSNDUCKS said:
No Moss ??
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Part of me wonders if Moss takes advantage of the free covid year and comes back next year. Would be huge since we are set to lose both cbs plus Koerner in the secondary. He never red shirted either. Guess it all comes down to if he thinks it would help his draft stock and how many more games he misses.
 
NCHawkeye24 said:
Personally, I don't think Spencer was that dinged up to begin with out of Wisconsin. I think he got hit, but at the point he got hit KF had seen enough, the game was over, and time to get Padilla some reps because he may need them going down the road.

Then Northwestern came, and it gave KF the opportunity to start Petras all while avoiding the benching controversy at Wisconsin because he was hurt, not by poor play. I think at that point KF thought that Spencer still gave this team the best opportunity to win because of how much the staff had invested in him and his experience. But when he played poorly against NW after 3 series, that benching was totally based on performance.

So now, to avoid the quarterback controversy, KF says Petras is hurt and lets KF avoid from choosing sides. This way if Padilla comes out and balls out, then Petras will just remain on the bench because he is hurt. If Padilla struggles really bad, it gives KF the opportunity to put Petras in because he is ready and not hurt anymore. All of this is just a way to let KF not have to commit to anyone and let them buy time to evaluate the future.
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I think for whatever reason your buying into a conspiracy that simply isn't there. I mean regardless of what you think KF's motives are, do you REALLY believe that a D1 QB who has started for most of two seasons would simply go along with a rouse like that, and pretend that he's injured, when he's not? Why would SP be signing on for something like that?
 
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NCHawkeye24 said:
Personally, I don't think Spencer was that dinged up to begin with out of Wisconsin. I think he got hit, but at the point he got hit KF had seen enough, the game was over, and time to get Padilla some reps because he may need them going down the road.

Then Northwestern came, and it gave KF the opportunity to start Petras all while avoiding the benching controversy at Wisconsin because he was hurt, not by poor play. I think at that point KF thought that Spencer still gave this team the best opportunity to win because of how much the staff had invested in him and his experience. But when he played poorly against NW after 3 series, that benching was totally based on performance.

So now, to avoid the quarterback controversy, KF says Petras is hurt and lets KF avoid from choosing sides. This way if Padilla comes out and balls out, then Petras will just remain on the bench because he is hurt. If Padilla struggles really bad, it gives KF the opportunity to put Petras in because he is ready and not hurt anymore. All of this is just a way to let KF not have to commit to anyone and let them buy time to evaluate the future.
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Not saying you're wrong, but why would all that be necessary? Are Iowa qbs so mentally fragile that they are unable to tolerate not playing once they've started?
It would seem that if this theory is correct, it supports my position that the staff has taken an incredibly rigid stance when it comes to qb and boxed themselves into a corner.
It will forever seem crazy to me that getting the Iowa qb position is like a faculty member getting tenure. You're hand selected for the job and once you're in you're not going anywhere unless there's a complete mess.
 
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iahawkeyes17 said:
Glad to see Padilla starting. The disconcerting thing is staff now doesn’t feel in 5 days Petras is healthy to play. Ok I get that. But yet a few days ago they thought playing a less than 100% Petras over a healthy Padilla was a better option??? Play calling for his 3 series proved that they thought they could scheme around his injury and win like a Wisconsin by running it 50x and barely throwing. However our OL and power running game no where close to that level and Padilla playing coming in was option B. Petras should’ve never seen the field Saturday and speaks volumes of the coaches who thought it was good decision to try and play him as the first option with his injury. Did Petras or the team no favors.
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Kirk isn’t known for too many times throwing out injured players instead of the backup. Only exception I can think of is CJB in the bowl game. I’m guessing they believed it was simply a bruise and resting it thru the week was good enough.
iahawkeyes17 said:
Part of me wonders if Moss takes advantage of the free covid year and comes back next year. Would be huge since we are set to lose both cbs plus Koerner in the secondary. He never red shirted either. Guess it all comes down to if he thinks it would help his draft stock and how many more games he misses.
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I would doubt it, I think he’s a day 2 pick now, but unlikely to move into the first round. No advantage imo to him coming back.
SDHawkDoc said:
Not saying you're wrong, but why would all that be necessary? Are Iowa qbs so mentally fragile that they are unable to tolerate not playing once they've started?
It would seem that if this theory is correct, it supports my position that the staff has taken an incredibly rigid stance when it comes to qb and boxed themselves into a corner.
It will forever seem crazy to me that getting the Iowa qb position is like a faculty member getting tenure. You're hand selected for the job and once you're in you're not going anywhere unless there's a complete mess.
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This is exaggerated imo. Kirk takes it to extremes, but most programs who experience success do so in part because of stability at the QB position.
 
NCHawkeye24 said:
Personally, I don't think Spencer was that dinged up to begin with out of Wisconsin. I think he got hit, but at the point he got hit KF had seen enough, the game was over, and time to get Padilla some reps because he may need them going down the road.

Then Northwestern came, and it gave KF the opportunity to start Petras all while avoiding the benching controversy at Wisconsin because he was hurt, not by poor play. I think at that point KF thought that Spencer still gave this team the best opportunity to win because of how much the staff had invested in him and his experience. But when he played poorly against NW after 3 series, that benching was totally based on performance.

So now, to avoid the quarterback controversy, KF says Petras is hurt and lets KF avoid from choosing sides. This way if Padilla comes out and balls out, then Petras will just remain on the bench because he is hurt. If Padilla struggles really bad, it gives KF the opportunity to put Petras in because he is ready and not hurt anymore. All of this is just a way to let KF not have to commit to anyone and let them buy time to evaluate the future.
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He definitely wasn't right against NW. The 2 throws into the turf weren't even close to making it to the receiver and they weren't pressured throws either. Someone mentioned something about a rotator cuff injury, which if true makes throwing him out there really puzzling to say the least.
 
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MepoDawg# said:
Does this make Hogan the new fan favorite and best QB on the team?













:rolleyes:
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To be determined…no one, including the coaches, has ever seen Hogan take meaningful snaps.

Saturday was the first time everyone, including the coaches, saw Padilla play meaningful snaps at QB.

Yet again during the Ferentz era, the back up has made the Iowa coaching staff look like total fools.

Same shit, different season.

Ps. @Frosty7130 🤡 🤡 🤡
 
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jonesy5960 said:
He definitely wasn't right against NW. The 2 throws into the turf weren't even close to making it to the receiver and they weren't pressured throws either. Someone mentioned something about a rotator cuff injury, which if true makes throwing him out there really puzzling to say the least.
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If true, you have to think there’ a misdiagnosis or something going on. Kirk doesn’t have a long history of playing seriously injured players.
Phenomenally Frantastic said:
To be determined…no one, including the coaches, has ever seen Hogan take meaningful snaps.

Saturday was the first time everyone, including the coaches, saw Padilla play meaningful snaps at QB.

Yet again during the Ferentz era, the back up has made the Iowa coaching staff look like total fools.

Same shit, different day.
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This would be what, the third time in 20 years this has happened? Not exactly a pattern.
 
sober_teacher said:
If true, you have to think there’ a misdiagnosis or something going on. Kirk doesn’t have a long history of playing seriously injured players.

This would be what, the third time in 20 years this has happened? Not exactly a pattern.
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Banks, Stanzi, CJB, Padilla

01, 08, 14, 21

The last time we won the Big 10, 2004, we had a quick mobile QB, Tate.

The last time we won the division, 2015, we had a QB that could scramble, Beathard.

Yet the program promotes guys like Ruddock, Stanley, and Petras. Go figure.
 
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Phenomenally Frantastic said:
Banks, Stanzi, CJB, Padilla

01, 08, 14, 21

The last time we won the Big 10, 2004, we had a quick mobile QB, Tate.

The last time we won the division, 2015, we had a QB that could scramble, Beathard.

Yet the program promotes guys like Ruddock, Stanley, and Petras. Go figure.
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Banks himself has admitted he didn’t know the playbook well enough to be the starter. That he played as much as he did goes along way to counter your argument that Kirk was being stubborn there. It’s the one time that he truly committed to a true two quarterback system.

I agree on Rudock and JC, would argue that you’re misremembering Stanley, he was better rolling out and occasionally running than people think.
 
sober_teacher said:
If true, you have to think there’ a misdiagnosis or something going on. Kirk doesn’t have a long history of playing seriously injured players.

This would be what, the third time in 20 years this has happened? Not exactly a pattern.
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Not saying they have a history of playing injured players although the only other time this was obvious was when they had Beathard playing on one leg. So maybe it's just a QB thing 🤔. In any case if Petras was sent out with an injury to his throwing shoulder that was coaching malpractice.
 
NCHawkeye24 said:
Personally, I don't think Spencer was that dinged up to begin with out of Wisconsin. I think he got hit, but at the point he got hit KF had seen enough, the game was over, and time to get Padilla some reps because he may need them going down the road.

Then Northwestern came, and it gave KF the opportunity to start Petras all while avoiding the benching controversy at Wisconsin because he was hurt, not by poor play. I think at that point KF thought that Spencer still gave this team the best opportunity to win because of how much the staff had invested in him and his experience. But when he played poorly against NW after 3 series, that benching was totally based on performance.

So now, to avoid the quarterback controversy, KF says Petras is hurt and lets KF avoid from choosing sides. This way if Padilla comes out and balls out, then Petras will just remain on the bench because he is hurt. If Padilla struggles really bad, it gives KF the opportunity to put Petras in because he is ready and not hurt anymore. All of this is just a way to let KF not have to commit to anyone and let them buy time to evaluate the future.
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well thought out theory. i would like to believe this. but kf were this machiavellian i find it hard to believe he would’ve lost some of the games he has in the manner they transpired. but still, pretty cool if kf thinks so many moves in advance.
 
sober_teacher said:
This is exaggerated imo. Kirk takes it to extremes, but most programs who experience success do so in part because of stability at the QB position.
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I think KF's history says that he is definitely extreme in his take on the qb position. It's not as if he has routinely had All-Americans taking snaps. I don't think there have even been that many 1st team All B1G guys. In 23 years there have been 2 Iowa qbs on the the first team, Banks in 2002 and Tate in 2004. CJ second team 2015. Then there is the infamous 2012 year in which a not good qb I believe took every game snap for a 4-8 team. Now that's extreme!

I'm not arguing for a quick hook, or platoon approach or anything of the sort. I just see nothing wrong with a guy sitting for a couple of series in any given game if he's really struggling, at the very least. Or even a game plan like the pu offense had this year, which they obviously pulled off quite well. Particularly when we're talking about game managers rather than game changers.
Part of the problem with setting up the qb position as untouchable is that when there is an issue it's immediately magnified.
 
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When interviewed on the way to the locker room at halftime by BTN Sideline Reporter Elise Manaker...Ferentz said the move was made to Padilla due to Petras being ineffective.......this tells me there is more to the story for sure. No mention of injury during that interview. Just let Padilla take over......the whole offense responded positively when he came in cold off the bench.
 
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KF is always about protecting players, so not really a conspiracy theory that he would prefer to say SP is benched due to injury. It's all in perception.
Sure, Petras likely has an injury of some sort, but it's likely marginal. Nevertheless, given the option, I think Ferentz would prefer people believe it's an injury transition.
 
citizenHawk said:
KF is always about protecting players, so not really a conspiracy theory that he would prefer to say SP is benched due to injury. It's all in perception.
Sure, Petras likely has an injury of some sort, but it's likely marginal. Nevertheless, given the option, I think Ferentz would prefer people believe it's an injury transition.
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He definitely has a shoulder injury.
 
Smoke and mirrors...It would sure be nice to know who is getting what reps with the first team offense this week in practice. I assume the starter (Padilla) is getting 80% of the reps and the backup 20%. Is Petras even suiting up for practice?
 
jonesy5960 said:
He definitely wasn't right against NW. The 2 throws into the turf weren't even close to making it to the receiver and they weren't pressured throws either. Someone mentioned something about a rotator cuff injury, which if true makes throwing him out there really puzzling to say the least.
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What about his last pass to Goodson who was to his left at the sideline? Petras stood there, facing Goodson (facing the sideline), not facing downfield as if to be looking for an open receiver, even if Goodson was his primary. To me, something was wrong with him
 
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cohawk said:
This is the type of post that is laughable. Really the last of Spencer? Based on what? Three-quarters of the backup QB against a bad Northwestern team. What did Alex do to earn his spot on the field? I doubt we've seen the last of Petras. I am not saying he's played well only that he'll be back once healthy. He's out because of an injury.
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"Laughable" I am probably the last guy, or apparently next to the last guy to defend starting Spencer. Spencer was bad against Penn St and terrible against Purdue and even worse against Wisconsin. Spencer has never had a "great game" in 17 starts

To be fair, a significant part of the problem is the offensive line and the almost complete lack of a pocket. That makes Spencer's lack of mobility and agility a much greater liability. Since the line is not improving and Spencer is almost a statue the Iowa QB this season needs far greater mobility. Has not Spencer abundantly demonstrated that he has no mobility?

It would be hard to play worse than Spencer's last three outings. Spencer's best games, in all 17 starts, could only be described as good and showing improvement and promise. Unfortunately the promise was unfulfilled.

I think the "injury" is a graceful way to ease Spencer out the door, while cleverly keeping him on board should Alex and the Deuce fail.​
 
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I think KF's history says that he is definitely extreme in his take on the qb position. It's not as if he has routinely had All-Americans taking snaps. I don't think there have even been that many 1st team All B1G guys. In 23 years there have been 2 Iowa qbs on the the first team, Banks in 2002 and Tate in 2004. CJ second team 2015. Then there is the infamous 2012 year in which a not good qb I believe took every game snap for a 4-8 team. Now that's extreme!

I'm not arguing for a quick hook, or platoon approach or anything of the sort. I just see nothing wrong with a guy sitting for a couple of series in any given game if he's really struggling, at the very least. Or even a game plan like the pu offense had this year, which they obviously pulled off quite well. Particularly when we're talking about game managers rather than game changers.
Part of the problem with setting up the qb position as untouchable is that when there is an issue it's immediately magnified.
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As with many aspects of his coaching Kirk takes the NFL approach. The starting QB wins the job in camp and then starts and plays every down.

Iowa is about risk management. Changing QBs throws off timing, the center snap and generally how and where players go on the field. The Ferentz method sees changing QBs as creating more risk than benefit. If your game plan is to win like the 85 Bears every possession is precious; except maybe in late half and late game clock management but that's an argument for another day.​
 
NCHawkeye24 said:
Personally, I don't think Spencer was that dinged up to begin with out of Wisconsin. I think he got hit, but at the point he got hit KF had seen enough, the game was over, and time to get Padilla some reps because he may need them going down the road.

Then Northwestern came, and it gave KF the opportunity to start Petras all while avoiding the benching controversy at Wisconsin because he was hurt, not by poor play. I think at that point KF thought that Spencer still gave this team the best opportunity to win because of how much the staff had invested in him and his experience. But when he played poorly against NW after 3 series, that benching was totally based on performance.

So now, to avoid the quarterback controversy, KF says Petras is hurt and lets KF avoid from choosing sides. This way if Padilla comes out and balls out, then Petras will just remain on the bench because he is hurt. If Padilla struggles really bad, it gives KF the opportunity to put Petras in because he is ready and not hurt anymore. All of this is just a way to let KF not have to commit to anyone and let them buy time to evaluate the future.
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Good analysis. It also allows them to not admit they had the wrong guy playing.
 
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