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U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl will face a military court on charges of desertion and endangering

fellow soliders...

Some of you sure were wrong about this one. Facing a life sentence.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/politics/bowe-bergdahl-court-martial-charges/index.html
I heard Simon Conway interviewing a former JAG official about this yesterday. Sounds like a pretty slam dunk CM case now, with BB likely facing life in prison.

Simon asked the Jag how the 'cronyism' within the military failed this time. He said there was a General who is a key witness who could not be bought off or intimidated by the politically correct minions. In other words, the system actually worked.

This will be another embarrassment for the White House as they pulled 5 baddies out of Gitmo in exchange for a known deserter.
 
Exchanging prisoners for this guy is likely one of the dumbest decisions that this administration has made.

First of all it blows out of the water the "We don't negotiate with terrorists" mantra. You can say that all you want but you did. You had a prisoner exchange with them.

Second of all the guy they exchanged for was someone who left his post a major military crime wandered off and got captured and due to that is likely going to spend a long time in prison if not life.

Even if the courts are merciful to him he'll be dishonorably discharged. They exchanged prisoners for a guy just so we can have a courts marshal, put him in prison and dishonorably discharge him?

Dumb dumb dumb.
 
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Interesting in that the decision went against the recommendation of the investigating officer. The delusional thoughts of INXS83 aside, that simply doesn't happen very often. You can make the case against the trade all you want, but it was still the right thing to do. You don't leave prisoners of war imprisoned by the other side. History tells you that you that we exchange prisoners.

It is also clear that this young man will never be able to get a fair trial. Look at the statements from the Republican presidential contenders, as well as the leaders of the Republican caucus. It is clear they want him thrown in jail. It is equally clear that the convening authority of the court heard this message, and went against the recommendation of the investigating officers, calling a general court.
 
Exchanging prisoners for this guy is likely one of the dumbest decisions that this administration has made.

First of all it blows out of the water the "We don't negotiate with terrorists" mantra. You can say that all you want but you did. You had a prisoner exchange with them.

Second of all the guy they exchanged for was someone who left his post a major military crime wandered off and got captured and due to that is likely going to spend a long time in prison if not life.

Even if the courts are merciful to him he'll be dishonorably discharged. They exchanged prisoners for a guy just so we can have a courts marshal, put him in prison and dishonorably discharge him?

Dumb dumb dumb.
Not defending the decision, but we never had a, "we don't negotiate with terrorists" mantra. That was only a mantra in Hollywood creations. Our long standing policy has been to always negotiate with terrorists. That's what the terrorist used to their advantage during 911. They knew that policy would dictate that the crew give them command of the plane hoping to negotiate for the hostages.
 
Interesting in that the decision went against the recommendation of the investigating officer. The delusional thoughts of INXS83 aside, that simply doesn't happen very often. You can make the case against the trade all you want, but it was still the right thing to do. You don't leave prisoners of war imprisoned by the other side. History tells you that you that we exchange prisoners.

It is also clear that this young man will never be able to get a fair trial. Look at the statements from the Republican presidential contenders, as well as the leaders of the Republican caucus. It is clear they want him thrown in jail. It is equally clear that the convening authority of the court heard this message, and went against the recommendation of the investigating officers, calling a general court.

Not with terrorists we don't. We exchange prisoners with state actors when we fight a war and only after the war is finished.
 
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Deserter or not, isn't it the policy of the military to leave no man behind? After all, did they not send a group of soldiers to retrieve BB? And if this is the case, wasn't Obama upholding the policy to leave no man behind just as the military had?
 
Deserter or not, isn't it the policy of the military to leave no man behind? After all, did they not send a group of soldiers to retrieve BB? And if this is the case, wasn't Obama upholding the policy to leave no man behind just as the military had?

They sent the soldiers because they thought he had been captured, not because they knew he had deserted.
 
They sent the soldiers because they thought he had been captured, not because they knew he had deserted.
This is contrary to the testimony of soldier witnesses.

"For 45 days, thousands of soldiers toiled in the heat, dirt, misery and sweat with almost no rest, little water and little food to find the accused,” Major Kurz said. “Fatigued and growing disheartened, they search for the accused knowing he left deliberately.”
 
Deserter or not, isn't it the policy of the military to leave no man behind? After all, did they not send a group of soldiers to retrieve BB? And if this is the case, wasn't Obama upholding the policy to leave no man behind just as the military had?

You're doing it wrong.

You're supposed to leave no man behind through valor and bravery, not through negotiation with the enemy.
 
Wrong. The military negotiates with the enemy all the time to retrieve POWs.

Generally, POW's are negotiated for after a war.

We(I shouldn't say "we" as it was unilateral) Obama negotiated with terrorists. ...And negotiated poorly.

Also, you shouldn't reconstitute your enemies ability to make war against you while the war is still going on.
 
Two separate issues here.

1. Should we have swapped prisoners.

2. What should happen to the deserter.
 
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Generally, POW's are negotiated for after a war.

We(I shouldn't say "we" as it was unilateral) Obama negotiated with terrorists. ...And negotiated poorly.

Also, you shouldn't reconstitute your enemies ability to make war against you while the war is still going on.
I'm just looking for some consistency here. The military had no problem sending entire units out for BB even knowing that he had likely deserted. So how did Obama do anything different by also not leaving him behind? The fact is that POWs are negotiated for all the time, both after and during wars. You can complain that Obama got the short end of the stick trading a Pinto for a group of BMWs, which he did, but at the end of the day, he followed policy and retrieved one of our soldiers when he had the opportunity.

Acting like he should have never tried getting BB back is inconsistent with military protocol.
 
I'm just looking for some consistency here. The military had no problem sending entire units out for BB even knowing that he had likely deserted. So how did Obama do anything different by also not leaving him behind? The fact is that POWs are negotiated for all the time, both after and during wars. You can complain that Obama got the short end of the stick trading a Pinto for a group of BMWs, which he did, but at the end of the day, he followed policy and retrieved one of our soldiers when he had the opportunity.

Acting like he should have never tried getting BB back is inconsistent with military protocol.

We should have given up 5 Generals for John McCain?

He doesn't think so.
 
I'm just looking for some consistency here. The military had no problem sending entire units out for BB even knowing that he had likely deserted. So how did Obama do anything different by also not leaving him behind? The fact is that POWs are negotiated for all the time, both after and during wars. You can complain that Obama got the short end of the stick trading a Pinto for a group of BMWs, which he did, but at the end of the day, he followed policy and retrieved one of our soldiers when he had the opportunity.

Acting like he should have never tried getting BB back is inconsistent with military protocol.

He did NOT follow policy. Some say Obama broke the law by not informing Congress.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/taliban-5-bowe-bergdahl-congress-report/
 
I have no problem with the swap because we are likely following/monitoring them anyway. As for BB... looks like he will get what's coming and have no problem with that either.
 
Deserter or not, isn't it the policy of the military to leave no man behind? After all, did they not send a group of soldiers to retrieve BB? And if this is the case, wasn't Obama upholding the policy to leave no man behind just as the military had?
Perhaps you are correct but the Rose Garden ceremony to celebrate does not lead to view this as Obama upholding the military policy of man left behind. His message that BB served with honor and distinction showed a total lack of understanding of the situation.

The ceremony should have been for the lives lost in trying to recover someone who deserted.
 
We should have given up 5 Generals for John McCain?

He doesn't think so.
Too bad for John then. It's not his call to make. The US military has a long history of risking a lot to make sure they don't leave anyone behind. If you don't like the policy, complain about the policy. But don't complain when Obama follows it.
 
Too bad for John then. It's not his call to make. The US military has a long history of risking a lot to make sure they don't leave anyone behind. If you don't like the policy, complain about the policy. But don't complain when Obama follows it.

Why didn't Obama follow the policy then?

Additionally, I don't think the "long history" you are referring to includes negotiating with terrorists.
 
Perhaps you are correct but the Rose Garden ceremony to celebrate does not lead to view this as Obama upholding the military policy of man left behind. His message that BB served with honor and distinction showed a total lack of understanding of the situation.

The ceremony should have been for the lives lost in trying to recover someone who deserted.
I'll concede that this was a poor decision on Obama's part.
 
He did NOT follow policy. Some say Obama broke the law by not informing Congress.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/taliban-5-bowe-bergdahl-congress-report/
Now by some, do you mean the GOP? Because that is what the article says. I'm sorry, but the GOP no longer has any credibility left. After Benghazi totally fell through, Boehner's lawsuit going nowhere, and Planned Parenthood following suit, the GOP's word that Obama did something illegal carries zero weight anymore. And this is just another example of this. How do I know? Because Obama was never found guilty of doing anything illegal with this swap.
 
Now by some, do you mean the GOP? Because that is what the article says. I'm sorry, but the GOP no longer has any credibility left. After Benghazi totally fell through, Boehner's lawsuit going nowhere, and Planned Parenthood following suit, the GOP's word that Obama did something illegal carries zero weight anymore. And this is just another example of this. How do I know? Because Obama was never found guilty of doing anything illegal with this swap.

Actually Dianne Feinstein lead the criticism.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/cong...wmakers-not-given-30-day-notice-bergdahl-swap
 
There you go again, spoiling a perfectly good partisan rant.
See my above post, jackass. Feinstein clearly suggests that Obama had the authority to make the move, which is in no way the same as the Republicans claiming that Obama broke federal law.
 
See my above post, jackass. Feinstein clearly suggests that Obama had the authority to make the move, which is in no way the same as the Republicans claiming that Obama broke federal law.

How does Obama have the authority to ignore a law that he himself signed?
 
How does Obama have the authority to ignore a law that he himself signed?
You're aware that this law is superseded by the Constitution itself which requires that the President protect the lives of Americans abroad and the soldiers themselves, right? The two were in conflict of each other. Obama chose to follow the Constitution.
 
You're aware that this law is superseded by the Constitution itself which requires that the President protect the lives of Americans abroad and the soldiers themselves, right? The two were in conflict of each other. Obama chose to follow the Constitution.
Does that include the lives of civilians being held by Iran? Why does Obama not make a deal and bring those people home? Seems like the deal he make with the them would have been an opportunity to bring them home.
 
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This can't be. I was repeatedly told by some of the loudest voices here that Obama was personally going to intervene and make sure Bergdahl would be quietly released to a life outside the military.
 
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