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Uninformed and ignorant Americans the greatest problem we face.

So your big plan to eliminate currency in which we are controlled by is to add......multiple currencies? You still don't think the upper half will try to control a majority of it regardless if the Treasury, Wall Street, or the big banks "own" it? Assets? They'll control the assets too. Full audit? Who do you think owns the audit companies?

I've never met such a naive Libertarian before.
You're truly a confused mortal. You only hear what you want to hear. I never once ruled against currency. Show me where I definitively ruled against all currency.

I'd also like to add, that you just totally and completely have become enlightened. Your own words here will be immortalized, as you have finally admitted against what you are trying to argue against me with.

I love how you are able to overcome your past and wrongful thinking.
 
You're truly a confused mortal. You only hear what you want to hear. I never once ruled against currency. Show me where I definitively ruled against all currency.
Seems nowhere. But when pushed to clarify your stance, you've moved onto this weird idea that multiple currencies is that cure for all that ails us. It's an idea we've already tried and one that was found to not be feasible in reality.
 
We already tried this. It failed.
It failed because it was made to. It was never given a real chance. Same thing with going away from Central Banking. It failed because the wealthy wouldn't do their part and purposely allowed problems to occur. Then they came around and introduced the Central Bank once again, overnight by the way, and along with a couple of other bills, they had full control.
 
Seems nowhere. But when pushed to clarify your stance, you've moved onto this weird idea that multiple currencies is that cure for all that ails us. It's an idea we've already tried and one that was found to not be feasible in reality.
The only other cure is unattainable at this point. This thread is a very, very small proof as to why that is.
 
It failed because it was made to. It was never given a real chance. Same thing with going away from Central Banking. It failed because the wealthy wouldn't do their part and purposely allowed problems to occur. Then they came around and introduced the Central Bank once again, overnight by the way, and along with a couple of other bills, they had full control.
Hundreds of years of trying it on and off isn't enough time? Hell, we're still toying with the idea. What do you think bitcoins are all about? But of course this form of private currency is so volatile, that we would be fools to try doing it on a national level.
 
Hundreds of years of trying it on and off isn't enough time? Hell, we're still toying with the idea. What do you think bitcoins are all about? But of course this form of private currency is so volatile, that we would be fools to try doing it on a national level.
The bitcoins are completely electronic and therefore subject to serious problems. Give me a 10 Prime bill to compete with a $10 Bill and that is a good step.
 
The bitcoins are completely electronic and therefore subject to serious problems. Give me a 10 Prime bill to compete with a $10 Bill and that is a good step.
Bitcoin volatility isn't because they are electronic. They could be printed out and still have the same problems.
 
But they still exist though don't they? That's a good thing.
You're not very good at this, are you? How can you claim that bitcoins fail because they are don't physically exist while ignoring the fact that most of our US currency doesn't exist physically?
 
Bitcoin volatility isn't because they are electronic. They could be printed out and still have the same problems.

Plus they're not backed federally (FDIC). So really any currency that wants to try to "compete" with our current currency needs to be insured (federally or some other way) or you run the risk of getting everything stolen/hacked like BitCoin did. Not to mention BitPay was insured but the insurer refused to cover the loss of BitPay and they're still fighting it in court. No new currency is going to able to compete with our current currency. It needs to be insured so it can't be stolen
 
You're not very good at this, are you? How can you claim that bitcoins fail because they are don't physically exist while ignoring the fact that most of our US currency doesn't exist physically?
Do you have any bitcoins in your bank, your pocket, your piggy bank? No. Do you have American currency in those same things? Yes.

I rest my case.
 
Plus they're not backed federally (FDIC). So really any currency that wants to try to "compete" with our current currency needs to be insured (federally or some other way) or you run the risk of getting everything stolen/hacked like BitCoin did. Not to mention BitPay was insured but the insurer refused to cover the loss of BitPay and they're still fighting it in court. No new currency is going to able to compete with our current currency. It needs to be insured so it can't be stolen
Thank you, I like you being more open minded and logical. It's a good fit for you Fred.
 
Plus they're not backed federally (FDIC). So really any currency that wants to try to "compete" with our current currency needs to be insured (federally or some other way) or you run the risk of getting everything stolen/hacked like BitCoin did. Not to mention BitPay was insured but the insurer refused to cover the loss of BitPay and they're still fighting it in court. No new currency is going to able to compete with our current currency. It needs to be insured so it can't be stolen
For someone so enlightened, Prime can be incredibly naive.
 
Do you have any bitcoins in your bank, your pocket, your piggy bank? No. Do you have American currency in those same things? Yes.

I rest my case.
Actually, this isn't accurate. The vast majority of my money doesn't exist in physical form. It is simply a number in my bank's system. Does the bank have this money physically? No, on that, too. Banks only carry a fraction of what they have on their ledgers. Does the US government have this money in physical form? No, again. It is also just a number on their ledger somewhere. Do you even know how our system works? Your posts suggest you do not.
 
I don't believe I got into the details of new currencies yet. Fred was arguing for me, not for you.
You sure about that Sparky? Might want to reread his post. He clearly points out the problems of bitcoins being able to compete with US dollars.
 
You sure about that Sparky? Might want to reread his post. He clearly points out the problems of bitcoins being able to compete with US dollars.
I didn't offer bitcoin as an example of a good competing currency did I? I flat out said it was a bad idea.
 
Same thing with going away from Central Banking. It failed because the wealthy wouldn't do their part and purposely allowed problems to occur.

Soooo...we went away from Central Banking...and the wealthy STILL controlled things?

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Not really, they just made sure to cause chaos. Competition opened up and challenged them, and things eventually began to settle.

No idea what that means. The wealthy lost the ability to "purposely allow problems"? But we went back to Central Banking anyway? If they could cause chaos, how is that NOT being in control?
 
No idea what that means. The wealthy lost the ability to "purposely allow problems"? But we went back to Central Banking anyway? If they could cause chaos, how is that NOT being in control?
Through their chaos arose opportunity, that they themselves couldn't stop from happening. With the system the way it is now, you have to pass through its scope to even get started, and with those very elites now have full governmental backing and support.
 
Through their chaos arose opportunity, that they themselves couldn't stop from happening. With the system the way it is now, you have to pass through its scope to even get started, and with those very elites now have full governmental backing and support.

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There is absolutely no way to square this with what you posted earlier.

It failed because the wealthy wouldn't do their part and purposely allowed problems to occur.

Are you suggesting that these purposeful problems created a chaos they couldn't control and that allowed "opportunity to arise" (whatever that means)? If that's the case, how did it "fail", forcing us back to Central Banking?
 
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There is absolutely no way to square this with what you posted earlier.

It failed because the wealthy wouldn't do their part and purposely allowed problems to occur.

Are you suggesting that these purposeful problems created a chaos they couldn't control and that allowed "opportunity to arise" (whatever that means)? If that's the case, how did it "fail", forcing us back to Central Banking?
Central bank took away
chaos ensues
opportunity arises
opportunity for some is successful
central bank put back on the table
Central bank implemented

Notice that failure wasn't in that list. Even the monopolies were broken up at the time, but those behind the monopolies snaked their way into government and changed the way monopolies form.

I know you're getting frustrated, and the Ryan Gosling gif is cute in showing that frustration. If you give it time though, things will clear up for you. Patience.
 
Central bank took away
chaos ensues
opportunity arises
opportunity for some is successful
central bank put back on the table
Central bank implemented

Notice that failure wasn't in that list. Even the monopolies were broken up at the time, but those behind the monopolies snaked their way into government and changed the way monopolies form.

I know you're getting frustrated, and the Ryan Gosling gif is cute in showing that frustration. If you give it time though, things will clear up for you. Patience.

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YOU said going off the Central Bank "failed because the wealthy wouldn't do their part and purposely allowed problems to occur." So...Tom...did it fail or not? And did it fail because "the wealthy didn't do their part" or not?

If you didn't mean it, why did you say it? Or do you just not remember saying it?
 
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YOU said going off the Central Bank "failed because the wealthy wouldn't do their part and purposely allowed problems to occur." So...Tom...did it fail or not? And did it fail because "the wealthy didn't do their part" or not?

If you didn't mean it, why did you say it? Or do you just not remember saying it?
Are you looking for some sort of answer that you wish to hear? It has already been explained and you yourself explain it in this very post. I feel as if you're getting confused here.

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If you say so, but it is obvious that you have changed for the better.
For chrissake. You're reading skills are so subpar that you don't even know when other posters are disagreeing with you. It's quite the irony given that your whole purpose of this thread is to criticize ignorant people.
 
For chrissake. You're reading skills are so subpar that you don't even know when other posters are disagreeing with you. It's quite the irony given that your whole purpose of this thread is to criticize ignorant people.
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Fred is a free thinker in the making, seek not to disputes that claim.
 
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