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United Healthcare CEO assassinated

You should bone up on the French and American revolutions. Shit can get real, real fast, when people feel they have been materially harmed by the ruling class.
Lot of lessons for sure.

One of which is the executioners end up getting executed by the monster they created.

See Robespierre and thousands of others that were sent to the guillotine.

Gets out of control pretty quickly...
 
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What is the first line of the preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America?

For the record, it is the same answer as “who is the government.”

I support the Consitution.
The government is people who contribute something positive to the United States. Not a worthless leech like yourself.
 
Lot of lessons for sure.

One of which is the executioners end up getting executed by the monster they created.

See Robespierre and thousands of others that were sent to the guillotine.

Gets out of control pretty quickly...
Torbee and little flick are planning a Che Guevara style revolution in the United States.
 
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Do you want a real, although still horrible answer?

Killing a child killer isn’t going to change much. Whether the guy dies or sits in prison is largely irrelevant on the whole.

Killing the CEO has the potential to make the world a better place for many millions of people if it affects real change.

And, a second point: this CEO has caused way more deaths than any child serial killer ever has.
Idk, if you start punishing a child killer with death and actually punishing criminals instead of letting them hang out in prison with a guaranteed meal they might think twice about killing someone or committing other crimes.
Killing CEO’s of large corrupt corporations might seem great on paper but what happens when they start to fight back? Can you imagine if they start making wanted signs for people that don’t pay bill and start killing them?
 
The FBI is on some bullshit…
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Luigi Mangione’s sprawling family found success after patriarch’s rise

Nick Mangione Sr. had a ready retort when people questioned how he had purchased a high-profile local country club in the 1970s: “They asked me what family I belonged to. I told them, ‘I belong to the Mangione family. The Mangione family of Baltimore County,’” he told The Baltimore Sun in 1995.

The patriarch of a sprawling Italian American family, who died in 2008, was a self-made multimillionaire real estate developer who owned country clubs, nursing homes and radio stations while supporting an array of civic causes.

His descendants — he and his wife, Mary, had 10 children — went on to be successful in their own right, including excelling in athletics at Loyola University and taking over the family businesses, while a grandchild is a state delegate. One of his 37 grandchildren is now a person of interest in the shocking killing in Manhattan of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Luigi Mangione, a 26-year-old whose father led Mangione Family Enterprises, was himself off to a prominent start: valedictorian of the 2016 class at The Gilman School, a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and an early career data engineer.

Luigi Mangione was taken into custody for questioning Monday morning after being recognized at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, police said. Late Monday, Manhattan prosecutors filed murder and other charges against him, according to an online court docket.

In a statement posted late Monday on social media, the family said it could not comment on the news reports.

“We only know what we have read in the media. Our family is shocked and devastated by Luigi’s arrest. We offer our prayers to the family of Brian Thompson and we ask people to pray for all involved,” the family wrote. “We are devastated by this news.”

Thompson’s killer allegedly wrote, “Deny,” “Delay” and “Depose” on bullet casings, according to reports, and when Mangione was detained, the NYPD said in a press briefing that he had a handwritten manifesto denouncing health care companies.

Yet, the Mangiones have a long history of supporting local health care companies in Baltimore.

For decades, the Mangione family has been a cornerstone supporter of the Greater Baltimore Medical Center, contributing more than $1 million to the hospital. Starting in 1983, every one of the family’s grandchildren, including Luigi Mangione, was born at GBMC — a tradition so ingrained that, as one family member noted in a hospital blog post, “It becomes subconscious. Delivering at GBMC is not even a thought.”

In recognition of their enduring support, the hospital’s high-risk obstetrics unit bears the Mangione name. Beyond GBMC, the Mangione Family Foundation has extended its philanthropy to institutions including the Kennedy Krieger Institute, St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital, and the University of Maryland St. Joseph Medical Center.

The gifts are a product of the family patriarch’s success.

Nick Mangione Sr. was born in Baltimore’s Little Italy to a father who could not read or write. He enlisted in the Navy, fighting in the South Pacific, and upon his return attended college on the G.I. Bill and then worked as a contractor for two decades, according to The Sun.

He began building and owning nursing homes, office buildings and hospitals, including Harford County’s Fallston General Hospital, which has since closed.

He and his wife purchased the Turf Valley Country Club, now known as Turf Valley Resort, in 1978 and established the Ellicott City location as a golf course resort and residential community. The Mangiones built the property into Howard County’s only full-service resort and conference center, with a 220-room hotel, a pro shop, a 10,000-square-foot ballroom, a European-style spa, an 85-seat amphitheater and a fitness center, according to The Washington Post.

In 1986, they purchased what would become the Hayfields Country Club, a golfing and wedding venue built on Hunt Valley farmland that was known for bringing the first Hereford cattle to Maryland in the 1840s.

In 1988, Mangione Sr. purchased WCBM-AM 680, a conservative talk radio station, and later two others.

Mary and Nick Mangione Sr. also founded a nursing home and assisted living company called Lorien Health Services. Luigi Mangione volunteered at Lorien to fulfill a high school community service requirement, according to a Gilman yearbook.

Nick Mangione Sr. said in 1995 that he was beginning to pass the torch to his children, in particular his two eldest sons, Louis and John, who were described as civil engineers. Louis, Luigi Mangione’s father, became the point person for the Mangione Family Enterprises.

“I didn’t have two nickels to rub together when my father died when I was 11, yet I still became a millionaire,” Nick Mangione Sr. told The Sun. “What other country can you do that in? None that I can think of.”

Mary Mangione, in addition to supporting the Greater Baltimore Medical Center, also supported the old Baltimore Opera Company and the Walters Art Museum, eventually becoming a Walters trustee.

The patriarch also drew controversy. Turf Valley made headlines in 1988 when Mangione Sr.’s now-deceased nephew, then Turf Valley’s manager, inadvertently left a message using a racial slur on an NAACP member’s answering machine, according to The Post. Mangione fired his nephew, but later rehired him as an assistant manager.

And in 1989, he clashed with Howard County officials after sediment control officers accused him of excavating without a county environmental permit while building a second Turf Valley golf course. He went to court and eventually agreed to a $5,000 settlement donation to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, The Washington Post reported.

Nick Mangione Sr. died in 2008 following a stroke; Mary Mangione died last year from Parkinson’s disease complications.

Loyola University’s pools bear the Mangione name, and six of his 10 children graduated from there, with several excelling in soccer. Nick Mangione Jr. helped the Greyhounds win the National Collegiate Athletic Association Division II championship in 1976, and Sam Mangione was a regular on nationally ranked teams in the late 1980s.

One of Luigi Mangione’s cousins, Nino Mangione, has served in the Maryland House of Delegates since 2019. The Republican is a member of the Appropriations Committee.

In recent months, Nino Mangione has joined the chorus of politicians concerned about the proposed Piedmont Reliability Project, writing in The Baltimore Sun this summer that the power line had no business being built in his constituents’ backyards.

Nino Mangione also introduced legislation this year prohibiting “sexually explicit” material in public school libraries and media centers. The bill failed.

He previously sponsored a bill that became law that allows disabled members of the military and disabled veterans who qualify for property tax relief to be refunded prior years’ payments under certain circumstances.

 
Really you want the government to control you. Just give them your check and let them tell you how they'll spend it. I can understand that. You want someone to take care of you and make decisions for you.
Do you think the status quo currently is a good system? Private Insurance companies are drilling down even further with cost control AI. If patients have negative outcomes thanks to delays of procedures or preferred medication application. They bare no legal consequences. Insurance companies handcuff doctors and distract them from actually treating patients. For profit is fine. But things have gotten way past the breaking point. When the biggest company denies around 1/3 of in network claims. It’s time for something to change.
 
Well I can get where they are coming from. Plenty of blame to go around in our healthcare system. The Hospitals, Pharmaceuticals, Insurance, Government and yes even the American fat asses share blame.
The entire thing needs reworked.
Don't you dare lay a finger on my ass!
 
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Do you think the status quo currently is a good system? Private Insurance companies are drilling down even further with cost control AI. If patients have negative outcomes thanks to delays of procedures or preferred medication application. They bare no legal consequences. Insurance companies handcuff doctors and distract them from actually treating patients. For profit is fine. But things have gotten way past the breaking point. When the biggest company denies around 1/3 of in network claims. It’s time for something to change.
That needs to be fixed but socialized medicine would be worse.
 
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Yeah they get 3 meal a day, an hour of yard time, a cot. It's basically summer camp.
Seems like a much better life than the person they killed.
Possibly a better life than some homeless person and I’m guessing it’s better than some people struggling to find 1 meal a day.
Seems pretty good for someone that has just killed another person.
 
That needs to be fixed but socialized medicine would be worse.
Not sure. We are unique. Think we need a combo of public option and well regulated private insurance. The beast is way too big. 18% of our economy. That’s a major part of the issue. We pay way too much for a broken system
 
Well I can get where they are coming from. Plenty of blame to go around in our healthcare system. The Hospitals, Pharmaceuticals, Insurance, Government and yes even the American fat asses share blame.
The entire thing needs reworked.

I agree, but I would also say that there is a vein of thought that has been expressed actively following this assassination that is potentially misleading IMO. The phrase, "Denial of claims...", etc, has been used a lot, in very derogatory context. Caveat, I don't know enough details about how UHC operates to either defend them or attack them for their practice(s) in claim denial. I am also not saying that there isn't a problem with claim denial, etc.

But...I don't believe there is ever going to be a healthcare delivery system that doesn't also include some level of "claim denial". To me...the answer is, "It depends" and the factors that go into that are many and varied...and often very, very complicated.

But it does seem to me that the MSM, and others, are glossing over this very complex subject with sort of a, "Well, if there were to be NO denied claims, then the problem(s) would go away...". It's just not that simple IMO. Again, this isn't to say that there isn't a problem, nor that UHC is in any way guilt free on this.

But, if ALL of the factors are not understood and considered, you will never have a real solution. I totally agree with your reference to other entities such as hospitals, pharma, etc, etc. I agree with all of those and would add our food system and dietary practices are in that mix too.
 
Not sure. We are unique. Think we need a combo of public option and well regulated private insurance. The beast is way too big. 18% of our economy. That’s a major part of the issue. We pay way too much for a broken system
If socialized medicine was so terrible, there is no reason every other wealthy democracy in the planet would stick with it.

Thinking our system - the only major wealthy democratic country that has such a f——d up for profit system - is “better” is a ludicrous premise.
 
If socialized medicine was so terrible, there is no reason every other wealthy democracy in the planet would stick with it.

Thinking our system - the only major wealthy democratic country that has such a f——d up for profit system - is “better” is a ludicrous premise.
Sure there is. Government budgetary cost certainty. (And to be clear, that's a perfectly legitimate consideration, and maybe even one we ought to pay a little more attention to, "rationing" be damned.)
 
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If socialized medicine was so terrible, there is no reason every other wealthy democracy in the planet would stick with it.

Thinking our system - the only major wealthy democratic country that has such a f——d up for profit system - is “better” is a ludicrous premise.
Our issue is Americans individualism streak. It makes dramatic change difficult even when obviously needed.
 
If socialized medicine was so terrible, there is no reason every other wealthy democracy in the planet would stick with it.

Thinking our system - the only major wealthy democratic country that has such a f——d up for profit system - is “better” is a ludicrous premise.
Thank goodness people think individualism is good. Can't imagine handing all my rights to the government. If kamala got her way, we have been totally controlled. Do you want the government to control you more torbee? The old time libs were not this.
 
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It amazes me that the millionaires on this site have such issues with health care. Guess they should have found jobs with better health care instead of becoming rich.
I have zero problems with my health care, time for me to cheering for the deaths of rich people I guess.
 
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It amazes me that the millionaires on this site have such issues with health care. Guess they should have found jobs with better health care instead of becoming rich.
I have zero problems with my health care, time for me to cheering for the deaths of rich people I guess.

From the thread linked below it looks like all Hboters are indeed rich with no concerns with their health insurance. With that said, did your post work the way you were originally thinking?

 
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Thank goodness people think individualism is good. Can't imagine handing all my rights to the government. If kamala got her way, we have been totally controlled. Do you want the government to control you more torbee? The old time libs were not this.
In 90% of the free world, providing healthcare is considered a government responsibility on par with things like national defense, critical infrastructure and myriad other things that require collective cooperation and scale to deliver well. No reason it shouldn't be this way in the U.S.

Also, "the government" is quite literally "We The People" as the first line of the U.S. Constitution says.

Why are you opposed to The People working for the common good and health of the populace of this great nation?
 
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