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In 90% of the free world, providing healthcare is considered a government responsibility on par with things like national defense, critical infrastructure and myriad other things that require collective cooperation and scale to deliver well. No reason it shouldn't be this way in the U.S.

Also, "the government" is quite literally "We The People" as the first line of the U.S. Constitution says.

Why are you opposed to The People working for the common good and health of the populace of this great nation?
Like people who are beating down our walls to come to our country , I like pursuing the American dream.
 
Like people who are beating down our walls to come to our country , I like pursuing the American dream.
No one from the countries I'm talking about is beating down the walls to come here. They are beating down the walls to come to those European democracies with universal healthcare though.
 
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Luigi Mangione’s sprawling family found success after patriarch’s rise

Nick Mangione Sr. had a ready retort when people questioned how he had purchased a high-profile local country club in the 1970s: “They asked me what family I belonged to. I told them, ‘I belong to the Mangione family. The Mangione family of Baltimore County,’” he told The Baltimore Sun in 1995.

The patriarch of a sprawling Italian American family, who died in 2008, was a self-made multimillionaire real estate developer who owned country clubs, nursing homes and radio stations while supporting an array of civic causes.

His descendants — he and his wife, Mary, had 10 children — went on to be successful in their own right, including excelling in athletics at Loyola University and taking over the family businesses, while a grandchild is a state delegate. One of his 37 grandchildren is now a person of interest in the shocking killing in Manhattan of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Luigi Mangione, a 26-year-old whose father led Mangione Family Enterprises, was himself off to a prominent start: valedictorian of the 2016 class at The Gilman School, a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and an early career data engineer.

Luigi Mangione was taken into custody for questioning Monday morning after being recognized at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania, police said. Late Monday, Manhattan prosecutors filed murder and other charges against him, according to an online court docket.

In a statement posted late Monday on social media, the family said it could not comment on the news reports.

“We only know what we have read in the media. Our family is shocked and devastated by Luigi’s arrest. We offer our prayers to the family of Brian Thompson and we ask people to pray for all involved,” the family wrote. “We are devastated by this news.”

Thompson’s killer allegedly wrote, “Deny,” “Delay” and “Depose” on bullet casings, according to reports, and when Mangione was detained, the NYPD said in a press briefing that he had a handwritten manifesto denouncing health care companies.

Yet, the Mangiones have a long history of supporting local health care companies in Baltimore.

For decades, the Mangione family has been a cornerstone supporter of the Greater Baltimore Medical Center, contributing more than $1 million to the hospital. Starting in 1983, every one of the family’s grandchildren, including Luigi Mangione, was born at GBMC — a tradition so ingrained that, as one family member noted in a hospital blog post, “It becomes subconscious. Delivering at GBMC is not even a thought.”

In recognition of their enduring support, the hospital’s high-risk obstetrics unit bears the Mangione name. Beyond GBMC, the Mangione Family Foundation has extended its philanthropy to institutions including the Kennedy Krieger Institute, St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital, and the University of Maryland St. Joseph Medical Center.

The gifts are a product of the family patriarch’s success.

Nick Mangione Sr. was born in Baltimore’s Little Italy to a father who could not read or write. He enlisted in the Navy, fighting in the South Pacific, and upon his return attended college on the G.I. Bill and then worked as a contractor for two decades, according to The Sun.

He began building and owning nursing homes, office buildings and hospitals, including Harford County’s Fallston General Hospital, which has since closed.

He and his wife purchased the Turf Valley Country Club, now known as Turf Valley Resort, in 1978 and established the Ellicott City location as a golf course resort and residential community. The Mangiones built the property into Howard County’s only full-service resort and conference center, with a 220-room hotel, a pro shop, a 10,000-square-foot ballroom, a European-style spa, an 85-seat amphitheater and a fitness center, according to The Washington Post.

In 1986, they purchased what would become the Hayfields Country Club, a golfing and wedding venue built on Hunt Valley farmland that was known for bringing the first Hereford cattle to Maryland in the 1840s.

In 1988, Mangione Sr. purchased WCBM-AM 680, a conservative talk radio station, and later two others.

Mary and Nick Mangione Sr. also founded a nursing home and assisted living company called Lorien Health Services. Luigi Mangione volunteered at Lorien to fulfill a high school community service requirement, according to a Gilman yearbook.

Nick Mangione Sr. said in 1995 that he was beginning to pass the torch to his children, in particular his two eldest sons, Louis and John, who were described as civil engineers. Louis, Luigi Mangione’s father, became the point person for the Mangione Family Enterprises.

“I didn’t have two nickels to rub together when my father died when I was 11, yet I still became a millionaire,” Nick Mangione Sr. told The Sun. “What other country can you do that in? None that I can think of.”

Mary Mangione, in addition to supporting the Greater Baltimore Medical Center, also supported the old Baltimore Opera Company and the Walters Art Museum, eventually becoming a Walters trustee.

The patriarch also drew controversy. Turf Valley made headlines in 1988 when Mangione Sr.’s now-deceased nephew, then Turf Valley’s manager, inadvertently left a message using a racial slur on an NAACP member’s answering machine, according to The Post. Mangione fired his nephew, but later rehired him as an assistant manager.

And in 1989, he clashed with Howard County officials after sediment control officers accused him of excavating without a county environmental permit while building a second Turf Valley golf course. He went to court and eventually agreed to a $5,000 settlement donation to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, The Washington Post reported.

Nick Mangione Sr. died in 2008 following a stroke; Mary Mangione died last year from Parkinson’s disease complications.

Loyola University’s pools bear the Mangione name, and six of his 10 children graduated from there, with several excelling in soccer. Nick Mangione Jr. helped the Greyhounds win the National Collegiate Athletic Association Division II championship in 1976, and Sam Mangione was a regular on nationally ranked teams in the late 1980s.

One of Luigi Mangione’s cousins, Nino Mangione, has served in the Maryland House of Delegates since 2019. The Republican is a member of the Appropriations Committee.

In recent months, Nino Mangione has joined the chorus of politicians concerned about the proposed Piedmont Reliability Project, writing in The Baltimore Sun this summer that the power line had no business being built in his constituents’ backyards.

Nino Mangione also introduced legislation this year prohibiting “sexually explicit” material in public school libraries and media centers. The bill failed.

He previously sponsored a bill that became law that allows disabled members of the military and disabled veterans who qualify for property tax relief to be refunded prior years’ payments under certain circumstances.

Like others have said, just a poor victim who has finally had enough sticking it to the man...
 
In 90% of the free world, providing healthcare is considered a government responsibility on par with things like national defense, critical infrastructure and myriad other things that require collective cooperation and scale to deliver well. No reason it shouldn't be this way in the U.S.

Also, "the government" is quite literally "We The People" as the first line of the U.S. Constitution says.

Why are you opposed to The People working for the common good and health of the populace of this great nation?
I’d be ok with a public health care plan with two caveats.
1) no added expenditures to the federal budget
2) private health care plans are still an option
 
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It blows my mind there are really people that want our federal government in charge of their health care. What in God's creation have they done at an even remotely high level in the past 20-30 years that gives you a semblance of confidence they could run health care effectively? Do any of you deal with large federal agencies with regularity? I do and they're 100 times worse than dealing with insurance companies and that's really saying something.
 
I’d be ok with a public health care plan with two caveats.
1) no added expenditures to the federal budget
2) private health care plans are still an option
This is exactly my position. Some type of Medicare expansion to create a base-level coverage plan (a GOOD one) for those who can't afford more expensive private plans. There has to be a way to create a decent hybrid.
 
It blows my mind there are really people that want our federal government in charge of their health care. What in God's creation have they done at an even remotely high level in the past 20-30 years that gives you a semblance of confidence they could run health care effectively? Do any of you deal with large federal agencies with regularity? I do and they're 100 times worse than dealing with insurance companies and that's really saying something.
You can pin that on the fact one of our two major political parties has spent the past half-century actively attempting to make government work worse to "prove" their theory that government can't work well.
 
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You can pin that on the fact one of our two major political parties has spent the past half-century actively attempting to make government work worse to "prove" their theory that government can't work well.
Ahh yeah that's it, one party caused DC to be an ineffective bloated corrupt cesspool. Come on man, no chance you really believe this.
 
Ahh yeah that's it, one party caused DC to be an ineffective bloated corrupt cesspool. Come on man, no chance you really believe this.
It's not "one party" - it's a political philosophy. It has hijacked the "conservative" movement for the past several decades and has morphed beyond traditional conservatism into MAGAism - which promotes the notion of oligarchy being more effective at governing than traditional institutions.
 
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It's not "one party" - it's a political philosophy. It has hijacked the "conservative" movement for the past several decades and has morphed beyond traditional conservatism into MAGAism - which promotes the notion of oligarchy being more effective at governing than traditional institutions.
I can't imagine being alive the past 30+ years and thinking the problem with government is they haven't been given enough power and control over everything.
Bloat, inefficiency, waste and corruption doesn't come from a conservative philosophy. Quite the opposite though the cons certainly haven't been void of corruption and ineffectiveness.
Maga was born as a result of years of awful government and people growing tired of it. The burning tire fire in DC didn't start 8 years ago.
Maga may not be the solution but it certainly isn't the cause.
 
No one from the countries I'm talking about is beating down the walls to come here. They are beating down the walls to come to those European democracies with universal healthcare though.

Europe is looking better and better with each passing day. Let the MAGA morons stew in the mess for which they have repeatedly voted.
 
Europe is looking better and better with each passing day. Let the MAGA morons stew in the mess for which they have repeatedly voted.
Yeah things in France are awesome right now. Germany is great as well. Both governments either disolved or collapsed in past 6 months. UK is a hot mess and not far behind. The EU is on very thin ice. But yeah, head on over, it's like a full time vacation and surely they'll take care of you.
You're no better than the Hollywood idiots that vow to leave the country every time a R gets elected.
 
FYI, Dylan Roof, who fired on the Mother Emmanuel Church in South Carolina for killing nine people, had fewer police escorts, was given a bulletproof vest for his protection and was treated to lunch on the way to his court arraigment.

If this is to sway public opinion on this guy, doubt it's working. Oddly, this makes Luigi look badass. Don't think it'll scare off any copycats either.

And what the hell is Adams doing there? He's got his own corruption case to deal with.
 
FYI, Dylan Roof, who fired on the Mother Emmanuel Church in South Carolina for killing nine people, had fewer police escorts, was given a bulletproof vest for his protection and was treated to lunch on the way to his court arraigment.

If this is to sway public opinion on this guy, doubt it's working. Oddly, this makes Luigi look badass. Don't think it'll scare off any copycats either.

And what the hell is Adams doing there? He's got his own corruption case to deal with.

Those were just people. Luigi is hurting money and the system with his actions.
 
It blows my mind there are really people that want our federal government in charge of their health care. What in God's creation have they done at an even remotely high level in the past 20-30 years that gives you a semblance of confidence they could run health care effectively? Do any of you deal with large federal agencies with regularity? I do and they're 100 times worse than dealing with insurance companies and that's really saying something.
Cash for Clunkers, babay
 
Bill Burr has weighed in a few times. Other influencers have tried to get him to debate. He’s only ignored them.


 
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