Unvaxxed Atlanta Family Exposes 300 To Measles

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

So Biden has no accountability with regards to the open borders and it’s just Trump’s fault in your world?

I can place blame at both their feet, Trump for not saying people should be vaccinated and Biden for allowing millions of unvaccinated people pour into this country but not vaccinating them as they do so or have them get a second round of vaccinations while in this country. Both are at fault regardless of their political affiliation.

I don't necessarily disagree with that. I would be in favor of vaccinating all of the undocumented upon entry.

Hindsight is 20-20.

The current problem is having a president who believes conspiracy theories about vaccines, and the secretary of health who perpetuates them.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

What's my definition?

Ya right

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Ya right

Lol... I knew you wouldn't be able to answer.

 

[3boysmom]

Please quote your numbers in a research or news article as I have never heard those numbers but overall a 97% vaccine success is pretty damn good.

I'm guessing I was part of that 3%. I didn't get the measles but when my oldest was born they apparently do titers or something to check for immunity. My blood tests came back as not immune so they gave me another shot in the hospital. So I would guess that at least some of those 3% were tested for immunity and found not to have any so were given another dose.
I'm old so it is anyone's guess as to why the initial vaccine didn't work. We didn't have things like check ups or well child visits. We were poor and those were not free. We did stand in line to get our vaccines. I'm guessing those were free. I honestly don't remember ever seeing a doctor as a child. Like not one time. So it is possible that if boosters were required we just didn't get them.

 

[uihawk82]

Thanks for pointing that out because I’ve had that going on off and on since Christmas time. Here I thought that wasn’t flu like symptoms. I’m finding out from you that the flu vax is even more of a joke than I thought it was.

Who ever told you or where did you read that the seasonal flu vaccine is 100% effective. You might still get it but your illness is highly likely less bad than without the vaccine. Unless you have some kind of poor immune system which might be your problem.

And do you even know what a mutation is?? I doubt it. Do you know when they decide what the vaccine should have in it?
The vaccine that we get starting around October is determined by the one or two major mutations that are prevalent about 6-9 months before that time. And by the time you get your vaccine in Oct or by Jan there might be mutations the the vaccine doesnt stop as well. You know little about virology and immune response so you should just keep your dumb ideas to yourself.

 

[ISUBryce]

Kinda like the overweight, unhealthy, smokers that pay more in insurance right.

I do wonder though, with 300 people infected. How do you find out which person to charge for the medical bills if someone that was vaccinated still got sick. Or do you spread the bill out among the other 299 unvaccinated people. Or does that bill just go to the medical company that gave you the vaccine?

No. If you’re vaccinated you’ve taken reasonable steps to avoid infection and spreading it yourself.

My assertion would be that insurance companies wouldn’t have to cover unvaccinated people. They’d just be on the hook for the full cost. If they spread it to somebody for example can’t be vaccinated, it would be up to that person’s insurance of the hospital to collect.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Who ever told you or where did you read that the seasonal flu vaccine is 100% effective. You might still get it but your illness is highly likely less bad than without the vaccine. Unless you have some kind of poor immune system which might be your problem.

And do you even know what a mutation is?? I doubt it. Do you know when they decide what the vaccine should have in it?
The vaccine that we get starting around October is determined by the one or two major mutations that are prevalent about 6-9 months before that time. And by the time you get your vaccine in Oct or by Jan there might be mutations the the vaccine doesnt stop as well. You know little about virology and immune response so you should just keep your dumb ideas to yourself.

And you regurgitating Pharma talking points doesn't mean you understand virology or immunity.

 

[ZachJump]

I get the flu shot every year and have never, as an adult, had the flu. Maybe I had it as a kid but don't know.

I cannot remember the last time I had the flu shot, and I cannot remember ever having the flu.

I just keep enough alcohol in my system that nothing can survive. Pretty sure I died years ago.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

This is when Joes Place is actually useful to deal with these types. You idiots are too exhausting. Bless up and hope you save the world from 5g and mercury poisoning!

You would think Joe was "useful". He was particularly good at name calling, telling lies and half-truths, and not answering questions and people like you thought he had all the answers. He never could effectively answer any of the tough questions. To his credit, doctors can't either so there's that.

 

[Hans81]

You are making that up.

Is it plausible? It sure seems to be. 🤔

 

[Hans81]

Oh the NY Post. This must be true.

So, everything is a conspiracy? 🥴

 

[KFsdisciple]

Measles and tuberculosis outbreaks are symptoms of democrat migration policies. These outbreaks are the result of sick and untested illegal aliens being dumped into our country by the millions. Common Democrat L again.

Not to mention, most Americans are "vaccinated" against the measles or already had the measles. I don't worry about how many cases of measles there.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Maybe you can edit your thread title to add "13,000 dead in US from influenza as vaccinations go down". So many people, a high percentage, do not get flu shots and then they get really sick and many die. Horrible and a bad decision for most.

Iowa and multiple other states are below 90% on MMR and other vaccination rates. Herd immunity needs to be > 95%

There is a big measles outbreak in West Texas.

If we had 98% or greater vaccination rates we wouldnt be having this problem.

Do you NEED 95% to have been vaccinated to achieve herd immunity? Or are you factoring in previous infection as vaccination to "boost" that statistic?

 

[thewop]

Anti-vaxxers suck.

Glad my family is vaxxed for measles.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Viruses change. In many, not all diseases natural immunity is better. I haven't had the flu since 2017 not counting covid. I get it much less often since I quit flu shots back in 2011.

Generally speaking you are healthier not pumping unnatural substances in your body. Be selective.

This is a perfect example of a confirmation bias in action.

You have fourteen flu seasons since you stopped vaccinating and you got it once. That is 7%. Depending on the severity of a flu outbreak the estimates are unvaccinated people have a 2% (low flu outbreak) to 10% (high flu outbreak) chance of getting the flu. You are right in the range of the data.

The data shows getting vaxxed drops that probability by more than half. Just because you got it when vaxxed doesn’t change the statistical probability that you are less likely to get the flu post vaccine.

The data in case you are interested.

 

[GES4]

Is it plausible? It sure seems to be. 🤔

That’s not how facts work.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

No. If you’re vaccinated you’ve taken reasonable steps to avoid infection and spreading it yourself.

My assertion would be that insurance companies wouldn’t have to cover unvaccinated people. They’d just be on the hook for the full cost. If they spread it to somebody for example can’t be vaccinated, it would be up to that person’s insurance of the hospital to collect.

So if you get a vaccine you’re avoiding possible infection. But if you’re fat, overweight, out of shape and smoke you’re also avoiding any chance of any other infection.
Tell me you’re a pharmaceutical pusher without telling me you’re a pharmaceutical pusher.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

This is a perfect example of a confirmation bias in action.

You have fourteen flu seasons since you stopped vaccinating and you got it once. That is 7%. Depending on the severity of a flu outbreak the estimates are unvaccinated people have a 2% (low flu outbreak) to 10% (high flu outbreak) chance of getting the flu. You are right in the range of the data.

The data shows getting vaxxed drops that probability by more than half. Just because you got it when vaxxed doesn’t change the statistical probability that you are less likely to get the flu post vaccine.

The data in case you are interested.

I don’t due it because it is poison. See ingredients and believe natural immunity is almost always better

Why are you biased?

 

[RileyHawk]

I don’t due it because it is poison. See ingredients and believe natural immunity is almost always better

Why are you biased?

You off work still today?

 

[ft254]

It would work if the consequences were limited to anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. The fewer the better and getting rid of them improves the odds of correcting the problem.

But the nut jobs if control of the levels of power can dictate negative health decisions effecting the whole population. Conspiracy theorists and a Rasputin making life and death decisions effecting literally billions of people worldwide. How sick is this shit.

 

[GES4]

So if you get a vaccine you’re avoiding possible infection. But if you’re fat, overweight, out of shape and smoke you’re also avoiding any chance of any other infection.
Tell me you’re a pharmaceutical pusher without telling me you’re a pharmaceutical pusher.

Your strawman army could conquer Mesopotamia.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Your strawman army could conquer Mesopotamia.

I’m sorry you are in poor health because you don’t take care of yourself.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I don’t due it because it is poison. See ingredients and believe natural immunity is almost always better

Why are you biased?

I’m not…I’m open to evaluating efficacy. But the data I’ve seen is quite clear that a flu vaccine cuts the probability of catching the flu by ~50% and reduces the severity of illness if you do catch it.

 

[GES4]

I don’t due it because it is poison. See ingredients and believe natural immunity is almost always better

Why are you biased?

I ❤️Darwin

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

I ❤️Darwin

So why do you poison you?

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

I’m not…I’m open to evaluating efficacy. But the data I’ve seen is quite clear that a flu vaccine cuts the probability of catching the flu by ~50% and reduces the severity of illness if you do catch it.

Study adds more data on effects of consecutive-year flu shots

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

You off work still today?

No, but I'm back home. Thx for the concern..

 

[RileyHawk]

No, but I[m back home.

Easy to see why your company can't trust you to be productive away from the office.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Easy to see why your company can't trust you to be productive away from the office.

I'm quite productive. Thx for flying United Airlines. Full time job with 2 side businesses. I have to be.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Study adds more data on effects of consecutive-year flu shots

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Interesting, thanks for posting. Seems like every other year might be the right course for flu shots if this is to be believed…will ask my doctor about his view on the study and if there is anything else that confirms this. Maybe I will skip a shot this fall in that case.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Interesting, thanks for posting. Seems like every other year might be the right course for flu shots if this is to be believed…will ask my doctor about his view on the study and if there is anything else that confirms this. Maybe I will skip a shot this fall in that case.

The flu shots contain Themirosal which contains some forms of mercury and formaldehyde.

I'm all for full disclosure for making decisions. Some say it's OK in the levels and types. Not sure how much mercury is "OK". Not sure a good idea for kids and normal healthy younger adults.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

The flu shots contain Themirosal which contains some forms of mercury and formaldehyde.

I'm all for full disclosure for making decisions. Some say it's OK in the levels and types. Not sure how much mercury is "OK". Not sure a good idea for kids and normal healthy younger adults.

I’m not as worried about those given the levels and all. Plus I’m over 50 so now starting to get to the point where the flu should be taken seriously. To me it’s a matter of efficacy. If a shot every other year is more effective then that’s what I will do.

I remain a firm believer in vaccines as a net good for society.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Study adds more data on effects of consecutive-year flu shots

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Lmao! Overall vaccine efficiency was 32% but only FOUR PERCENT for kids 9 and under.

Yeah...not risking giving my kid an autoimmune disorder for an injection that may as well be cherry KoolAid, as well as it prevents the flu. 🤪

 

[RileyHawk]

I'm quite productive. Thx for flying United Airlines. Full time job with 2 side businesses. I have to be.

Sure. Sure. That's why you're posting on here.

So easy.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Sure. Sure. That's why you're posting on here.

So easy.

Arguing with you is pretty easy. No time at all.

 

[RileyHawk]

Arguing with you is pretty easy. No time at all.

Is this still work time?

Lol.