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UPDATED: tOSU vs Northwestern for B1G Championship; IU NOT Happy. The 6 Game Rule HAS BEEN CHANGED to Benefit tOSU after Mich vs tOSU (-30) CANCELED

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I feel rules should be bent for the blue bloods but they should never be bent for irrelevant programs like Little Debbie. ;)

#4 ranked Ohio State currently sits at 5-0 and under the current rules they need to play Michigan (and get that 6th game in) in order to be eligible for the B1G Title Game.


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I've said this before, but baseball doesn't force the playing of canceled games if it doesn't change the outcome. If the Buckeyes lose to Michigan, they would have 1 loss, the same as Indiana, but they would have the head to head win over them. So why can't the B1G just assume their record is 5-1, which would be the 6 game minimum?
 
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Ohio State Buckeyes installed as 30-point favorites over Michigan Wolverines
2:59 PM CT, December 6, 2020
  • David Purdum
  • ESPN Staff Writer

Ohio State has been installed as a 30-point favorite over Michigan, the largest point spread in the rivalry since at least 1978, when the FBS and FCS split into separate divisions.

The Buckeyes (5-0) are slated to host the Wolverines (2-4) on Saturday, but, with both programs battling COVID-19 outbreaks, there are concerns that The Game may not be played.

Michigan halted football activities last week and canceled a game against Maryland after at least a dozen members of the Wolverines' program tested positive for COVID-19. Ohio State defeated Michigan State on Saturday, despite missing 23 players due to COVID-19 protocols.

Las Vegas sportsbook Circa Sports opened the Buckeyes at -30 versus Michigan on Sunday afternoon. The previous largest spread in the series came in 2014, when the Buckeyes were 21-point favorites over the Wolverines. Michigan has never been more than a 14-point favorite over the Buckeyes.

The 30-point spread is the largest Michigan has faced in any game since 1978, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The Wolverines were 24.5-point underdogs to Penn State in 2008, a game they Wolverines lost by 29.

If the Michigan-Ohio State game is canceled, the Buckeyes would be below the minimum six games required to participate in the Big Ten championship game. However, if the average number of games played by each team within the conference is below six, Ohio State would still qualify.

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Ohio St. opens as 30-point favorite over Michigan

Ohio State opened as a 30-point favorite over Michigan, the largest point spread in the rivalry since at least 1978.
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Ray Kinsella said:
I've said this before, but baseball doesn't force the playing of canceled games if it doesn't change the outcome. If the Buckeyes lose to Michigan, they would have 1 loss, the same as Indiana, but they would have the head to head win over them. So why can't the B1G just assume their record is 5-1, which would be the 6 game minimum?
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Because they wouldn't have done this for any other team. Nebraska got chastised when they tried to schedule a game to replace a game. Granted, it was a nonconference team, but the principle is the same. There was no discussion of changing the rules for Wisconsin when they were still undefeated and at risk of not having enough games. There is no way they would be doing this if Iowa were in that situation. They obviously had a crappy plan before the season started but I have an issue with trying to change the rules just for Ohio State.
 
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They should just play the next weekend. After the crossover. This would allow Iowa to play OSU and Indiana to play NW. They are the best 4 teams in the conference at this time. Barring Iowa beating Wisconsin next week.
 
It's the Covid factor... Barry wants to ensure the conference gets the $$$. I don't like it, either, but I understand why.
 
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The best team should be in the conference title game. I hear this argument that they wouldn't be discussing this if it was another school. But how do we truly know this? This conversation really only got started 2-3 weeks ago after they beat Indiana. I'm sure we would be talking about this with Wisconsin if they had beaten Northwestern. The ADs need to collectively come together and make a vote on this. Considering I was happy that the Big Ten leadership eventually allowed players coaches and staff to make the choice whether to play or not, they should do the same on whether letting OSU represent the east division. If they vote yes or no I'm good with that decision but at least have a vote and don't let a rule that wasn't created with Covid era in mind get in the way.
 
Could OSU not play another conference team if another game is canceled due to covid? Didn't they make that rule, but the opportunity hasn't actually arisen?
 
Slappy Pappy said:
Could OSU not play another conference team if another game is canceled due to covid? Didn't they make that rule, but the opportunity hasn't actually arisen?
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IMO this whole situation is so fluid there is no way the “rules” will stop OSU from being in the playoff if they have zero losses. Not saying I agree with it but the other option is 2 SEC and 2 ACC. The PAC is out and no way a 2 loss Big 12 Champ gets in. OSU is undefeated with one close game which was against a top 10 team.
 
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Any updates on this game? Is Michigan practicing?
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Here's an update on where Michigan stands. "The Game" is still up in the air.

Harbaugh's regularly scheduled Monday news conference has been postponed until mid-week, as the program waits to determine whether it can return to the practice field following a recent COVID-19 outbreak. Michigan is expected to re-evalulate today resuming in-person team activities and practicing ahead of Saturday's rivalry game against Ohio State.

...Sources said Friday the program was awaiting further test results and there was pessimism about the Ohio State game being played.

Michigan is 0-5 against the Buckeyes under Harbaugh, a statistic that has helped to fuel conspiracy theories — including from ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit, who later apologized — that the Wolverines (2-4) might try to avoid playing Ohio State, ranked No. 4 in the country, to avoid a third straight blowout defeat in the series and also sabotage the Buckeye's bid for a Big Ten title.

Big Ten rules require teams to play at least six games to qualify for the championship game; the Buckeyes currently have played five.


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Could OSU not play another conference team if another game is canceled due to covid? Didn't they make that rule, but the opportunity hasn't actually arisen?
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Yes it could. Just like Nebraska could have been allowed to schedule a non-conference game earlier. At this point, the Big 10 needs to be somewhat flexible in doing what is right for the conference. I dislike OSU as much as anyone else, but the conference and the TV networks don't want to see Indiana and Northwestern in the Big 10 title game. They don't really want to see OSU/Northwestern either, but at least in that scenario there is some excitement about OSU earning a playoff berth.

Dumb planning by Big 10 to get itself into a situation where they had 8 weeks to play 8 games with 21-day sit out period for positive tests. They created a situation where something like this was going to happen. But the conference presidents and commissioner have collective IQ's of a 40-watt bulb.
 
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Here's an update on where Michigan stands. "The Game" is still up in the air.

Harbaugh's regularly scheduled Monday news conference has been postponed until mid-week, as the program waits to determine whether it can return to the practice field following a recent COVID-19 outbreak. Michigan is expected to re-evalulate today resuming in-person team activities and practicing ahead of Saturday's rivalry game against Ohio State.

...Sources said Friday the program was awaiting further test results and there was pessimism about the Ohio State game being played.

Michigan is 0-5 against the Buckeyes under Harbaugh, a statistic that has helped to fuel conspiracy theories — including from ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit, who later apologized — that the Wolverines (2-4) might try to avoid playing Ohio State, ranked No. 4 in the country, to avoid a third straight blowout defeat in the series and also sabotage the Buckeye's bid for a Big Ten title.

Big Ten rules require teams to play at least six games to qualify for the championship game; the Buckeyes currently have played five.


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Ya that game isn’t happening
 
DodgerHawki said:
Yes it could. Just like Nebraska could have been allowed to schedule a non-conference game earlier. At this point, the Big 10 needs to be somewhat flexible in doing what is right for the conference. I dislike OSU as much as anyone else, but the conference and the TV networks don't want to see Indiana and Northwestern in the Big 10 title game. They don't really want to see OSU/Northwestern either, but at least in that scenario there is some excitement about OSU earning a playoff berth.

Dumb planning by Big 10 to get itself into a situation where they had 8 weeks to play 8 games with 21-day sit out period for positive tests. They created a situation where something like this was going to happen. But the conference presidents and commissioner have collective IQ's of a 40-watt bulb.
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All of this is very spot-on. Blame the moron commissioner and the moron presidents for multiple levels of stupidity. Start late, and then paint yourselves in a corner with no flexibility and stupid "rules". If this whole virus thing has taught us anything, having the ability to adapt on the fly should be high on the list.
I don't like OSU either, but they are the best team in the conference, and if we're determining the national champion with the "eye" test of a committee and with teams that haven't played the same amount of games, why can't we be smart enough to do it with a conference championship?
 
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Michigan ducks this game and if osu doesn't make it to the cfp, this rivalry heats up nicely for the future.
 
MitchLL said:
It's the Covid factor... Barry wants to ensure the conference gets the $$$. I don't like it, either, but I understand why.
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It's not like this possibility wasn't known before the season started. All they had to do was say "the rules may change as circumstances dictate" and I would have no issues with this. Also, letting Nebraska play a non-conference game for something that amounts to a scrimmage because it would have zero impact on conference totals would have made this more acceptable as well. But the attitude of the league has been "These are the rules and you are going to abide by them under all circumstances" until those same rules threatened Ohio State. This is the same shit that nearly blew apart the Big 12 and there is no room for that type of favoritism in the Big 10.

Basically, I don't know if the Big 10 has made worse decisions than they have with this entire season. I don't want to lay all the blame at Warren's feet, he was just implementing the demands of the University Presidents after all, but at some point he needs to get a hold of the situation.
 
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Ray Kinsella said:
I've said this before, but baseball doesn't force the playing of canceled games if it doesn't change the outcome. If the Buckeyes lose to Michigan, they would have 1 loss, the same as Indiana, but they would have the head to head win over them. So why can't the B1G just assume their record is 5-1, which would be the 6 game minimum?
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Honestly, that'd be sneaky smart of them to forfeit the game, and take the L, meaning it goes on the record, and thus counts as a "6th" game without even having to play, and Ohio State goes to the title game.
 
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Ray Kinsella said:
I've said this before, but baseball doesn't force the playing of canceled games if it doesn't change the outcome. If the Buckeyes lose to Michigan, they would have 1 loss, the same as Indiana, but they would have the head to head win over them. So why can't the B1G just assume their record is 5-1, which would be the 6 game minimum?
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Baseball "forced" the playing of many double headers. They didn't cancel games, but made sure they got played. Just like the NFL
 
They absolutely SHOULD let OSU play in the championship game. It isn't for their benefit-it is for the benefit of the conference. OSU's chances of being in the CFP increase with each game they play. Beating the west champion would definitely help their resume. Of course, if having the rour best teams in the CFP, they should already be a lock. Now I will wait for the clown lurkers to show up and talk about how they would roll OSU thos year.
 
Pretty sure Ohio State is going to take Maryland away from Rutgers on Saturday and Rutgers will play Nebraska
 
If the B1G is forced to vote on changing the 6 game rule, I predict 3 schools will vote against the change!

Predict those 3 schools!
 
A lot of dislike for Ohio State on the board, like it or not, they are one of the top 4 teams in the Country.

Does anyone really think Notre Dame could beat Ohio State?
 
imagine Ohio State was NEBRASKA
and Indiana was IOWA

and a 5-0 Scott Frost led Nebraska team was on the verge of winning the Big Ten Championship and going to the College Football Playoffs.

and a 6-1 Iowa team was on the verge of getting screwed out of the Big Ten Championship game.

and Barry Alvarez and Keven Warren want to change the rules so they can get the Blue Blood Nebraska Cornhuskers in the College Playoffs... because its gonna make them more money.

you'd be ok with that?
 
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F5n5 said:
imagine Ohio State was NEBRASKA
and Indiana was IOWA

and a 5-0 Scott Frost led Nebraska team was on the verge of winning the Big Ten Championship and going to the College Football Playoffs.

and a 6-1 Iowa team was on the verge of getting screwed out of the Big Ten Championship game.

and Barry Alvarez and Keven Warren want to change the rules so they can get the Blue Blood Nebraska Cornhuskers in the College Playoffs... because its gonna make them more money.

you'd be ok with that?
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I don't see tOSU ever being a Little Debbie snack cake that everyone feasts on

Did you really just type "blue blood" and "Little Debbie" in the same sentence?
 
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F5n5 said:
imagine Ohio State was NEBRASKA
and Indiana was IOWA

and a 5-0 Scott Frost led Nebraska team was on the verge of winning the Big Ten Championship and going to the College Football Playoffs.

and a 6-1 Iowa team was on the verge of getting screwed out of the Big Ten Championship game.

and Barry Alvarez and Keven Warren want to change the rules so they can get the Blue Blood Nebraska Cornhuskers in the College Playoffs... because its gonna make them more money.

you'd be ok with that?
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Yep. Play by the initial set of rules. The Big10 did this to themselves, to change now is BS.

Also remember that getting into the CFP has nothing to do with playing in the championship game. IMO OSU is in anyways.
 
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Slappy Pappy said:
Could OSU not play another conference team if another game is canceled due to covid? Didn't they make that rule, but the opportunity hasn't actually arisen?
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You are correct. Seems a lot of people forgetting that. (But i do think it needs finalized by ednesday afternoon)
 
ksihawk said:
Yep. Play by the initial set of rules. The Big10 did this to themselves, to change now is BS.

Also remember that getting into the CFP has nothing to do with playing in the championship game. IMO OSU is in anyways.
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There is no official rule book for a 100 year pandemic. Decisions have been made on the fly.

As we know, the B1G has made many poor decisions in the recent past regarding this year's football season. It is in the conference's best interest to make the right decision now

And the right decision is to have the best team from the West (Northwestern) play the best team from the East (Ohio State).
 
LarryMullenJr. said:
All of this is very spot-on. Blame the moron commissioner and the moron presidents for multiple levels of stupidity. Start late, and then paint yourselves in a corner with no flexibility and stupid "rules". If this whole virus thing has taught us anything, having the ability to adapt on the fly should be high on the list.
I don't like OSU either, but they are the best team in the conference, and if we're determining the national champion with the "eye" test of a committee and with teams that haven't played the same amount of games, why can't we be smart enough to do it with a conference championship?
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I would argue that Ohio State playing the winner of the Wisconsin/Iowa game is a more compelling matchup, and better on a national scale, than Ohio State playing Northwestern. If we are using the "eye test" as our metric at least. It might actually be more beneficial to their chances of playing in the Playoffs.
 
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BioHawk said:
It's not like this possibility wasn't known before the season started. All they had to do was say "the rules may change as circumstances dictate" and I would have no issues with this. Also, letting Nebraska play a non-conference game for something that amounts to a scrimmage because it would have zero impact on conference totals would have made this more acceptable as well. But the attitude of the league has been "These are the rules and you are going to abide by them under all circumstances" until those same rules threatened Ohio State. This is the same shit that nearly blew apart the Big 12 and there is no room for that type of favoritism in the Big 10.

Basically, I don't know if the Big 10 has made worse decisions than they have with this entire season. I don't want to lay all the blame at Warren's feet, he was just implementing the demands of the University Presidents after all, but at some point he needs to get a hold of the situation.
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Regarding your reference to Nebraska... you must have missed the memo. The B1G office, and the conference as a whole, hate the Huskers. It's why even the game officials make bad calls against Nebraska. It's a conspiracy. They didn't want Frost adding to his paltry win total by scheduling the extra game. But, in reality, probably saved Frost from another loss.

BTW: As if the fanbase at Nebby doesn't already complain about everything... now they want to file a complaint against the Purdue Athletic Dept because one of their players tripped on a blade of grass in pregame warmups and blew out an ankle. Claiming their field is not safe.

Can't make this shit up.
 
BioHawk said:
Because they wouldn't have done this for any other team. Nebraska got chastised when they tried to schedule a game to replace a game. Granted, it was a nonconference team, but the principle is the same. There was no discussion of changing the rules for Wisconsin when they were still undefeated and at risk of not having enough games. There is no way they would be doing this if Iowa were in that situation. They obviously had a crappy plan before the season started but I have an issue with trying to change the rules just for Ohio State.
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I hate Nebraska. But I will never understand why the rest of the conference and national media ripped them for simply wanting to play football.
 
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F5n5 said:
imagine Ohio State was NEBRASKA
and Indiana was IOWA

and a 5-0 Scott Frost led Nebraska team was on the verge of winning the Big Ten Championship and going to the College Football Playoffs.

and a 6-1 Iowa team was on the verge of getting screwed out of the Big Ten Championship game.

and Barry Alvarez and Keven Warren want to change the rules so they can get the Blue Blood Nebraska Cornhuskers in the College Playoffs... because its gonna make them more money.

you'd be ok with that?
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Sure. Even if Ohio state loses this weekend they'd still be in the Championship game. It's about $ for the conference to split and hopefully stopping the elimination of non revenue sports.

The rules have to change this year due the sake of the entire conference.
 
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