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Very clear-eyed and non-biased look at where the POTUS race stands one day before debate

In theory, I agree.

The problem with Trump, though, is that he is a political anomaly.

He can be a raging asshole idiot and for some reason, many voters view that as "strength" or something. As a felonious narcissist, he does best under a spotlight and against a hostile opponent, perplexingly.

If I were Harris, I'd basically refuse to engage. I wouldn't even use his damn name. STARVE him of attention, it is the best way to weaken him.

But they won't take my advice, so I expect this to devolve into a verbal mud wrestling match, and in those, the edge often goes to the dumb fat pig, so Trump may come out ahead.

Well, I have to agree with everything you wrote. But I'm not paid to be a campaign manager. If I was, I'd blow up everything ( not like Trump)

More like this:

 
I don't know how you debate Trump effectively since he (and his audience) basically play by a different set of rules.

That said

1) You need to look sharp
2) You need to make him look stupid
I would like to see her display an almost compassionate quality when addressing Trump. To throw him off. But keep an edge - rip him to shreds “prosecutor style” when needed. Just make the compassion a subtle thing - like feeling kinda sorry for an aging confused massively unhealthy man facing ungodly legal trouble and afraid of what’s gonna happen when he loses.
 
Obviously, a 49-state landslide isn’t in the cards. But the fundamentals of this race are so hilariously lopsided in Harris’s favor that we often forget about them—because the polling convinces us that they can’t be.

But they are. A Trump victory would be gobsmackingly ahistorical. It does not happen that:

  • a once-defeated presidential candidate,
  • wins the Electoral College while losing the popular vote,
  • during a time of peace and wide-scale prosperity,
  • while being the oldest presidential candidate in history, and
  • facing a young, vigorous opponent who is a member of the incumbent president’s party.
Ahistorical things happen, of course. But they’re the exceptions, not the rules.

A Harris win is not foreordained. And, again, she is not where she needs to be right now. But if she hits her marks then victory is there to be taken.
Well what if the fundamentals aren't the fundamentals. What if your analysis is missing some big variables.

All across Europe we've also seen a rise in populist right wing politics. Not just Trump. Not just the US.

There's a variable behind this -- probably something to do with the way modern industrial western democracies are these days -- that isn't being accounted for.

Analysis is only as good as its inputs.
 
By all measures she will smoke Trump. However, all Trump needs to do is not take a dump on stage and plenty of people will, at worst, call it a push.
 
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‘Non-biased’ story written entirely from a ‘Harris Must Win’ perspective and published in a neocon rag. BAU. :oops:
 
I don't know how you debate Trump effectively since he (and his audience) basically play by a different set of rules.

That said

1) You need to look sharp
2) You need to make him look stupid
For #2 just get out of the way he'll do that on his own. Maybe throw in a few sideways glances or eye rolls. The big thing is letting people get to know her. Everyone knows trump and what he is going to do where she can gain an advantage is coming off as competent and letting trump be his usual incompetent self and let America see the contrast.
 
For #2 just get out of the way he'll do that on his own. Maybe throw in a few sideways glances or eye rolls. The big thing is letting people get to know her. Everyone knows trump and what he is going to do where she can gain an advantage is coming off as competent and letting trump be his usual incompetent self and let America see the contrast.
He's done that forever. I'm looking for style points. Kamala dunking on him
 
I have said it before in the past on here, and will say it again, I have a strange calm about me regarding the significantly large chance that Trump inexplicably will be elected president. It’s basically to me a test if our great experiment will endure or if our empire has peaked and, like all empires before, destined to wane.

Cliff notes, if we elect Trump, we deserve what we get.
 
I have said it before in the past on here, and will say it again, I have a strange calm about me regarding the significantly large chance that Trump inexplicably will be elected president. It’s basically to me a test if our great experiment will endure or if our empire has peaked and, like all empires before, destined to wane.

Cliff notes, if we elect Trump, we deserve what we get.
Same

Not like billions of humans haven’t managed to live decent lives under despicable and undemocratic shitty rulers.

Not what I signed up for, but I’ll do my best 🤷‍♂️
 
I have said it before in the past on here, and will say it again, I have a strange calm about me regarding the significantly large chance that Trump inexplicably will be elected president. It’s basically to me a test if our great experiment will endure or if our empire has peaked and, like all empires before, destined to wane.

Cliff notes, if we elect Trump, we deserve what we get.

This. Get your passports ready. Norway keeps calling my name. I just don't have any faith in this country if we elect trump again.
 
Harris doesn't have to do anything in the debate other than not be completely brain dead like Biden was. The media that told you Biden was as sharp as a tack for 3.5 years is the same media that will carry water for Harris if she has a bad night. The problem for her is that it could be so bad that the media can't gloss it over or not cover it. She also will have a hard time distancing herself from Biden and the last 4 years.
The problem is the bar will be much higher for her than Trump because people know Trump is one dumb son of a bitch and still accept him anyway.
 
Again, from the Bulwark.

A bit depressing, but realistic. As they point out, probably still a little easier path for Harris than Trump but it will be/is a true dogfight now.

She HAS to kick ass at the debate or things will get very, very uncomfortable. The fact this is the case makes me so, so sad for America, sigh.

Kamala Harris Is Falling Behind​

But her pathway to victory remains clear.​


Jonathan V. Last
Sep 09, 2024





US Vice President and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris speaks at a campaign event at the Throwback Brewery, in North Hampton, New Hampshire, on September 4, 2024. (Photo by JOSEPH PREZIOSO/AFP via Getty Images)

1. Where Are We?​

Let’s be clear-eyed: With 56 days to the election Kamala Harris is not where she needs to be.
I’m going to give you three reasons to be concerned. And then three reasons to be optimistic. Let’s take the medicine first.

(1) 50.5 or Bust
Donald Trump is going to get somewhere between 46.0 percent and 48.0 percent of the vote.1 In order to have a solid chance to win the Electoral College, Harris needs to be over 50.5 percent; for a good chance she’ll need to be at 51 percent.2
No matter which polling average you look at, she’s not there.


Where are those last 2 or 3 percentage points supposed to come from? She’s not going to take from Trump. His voters are locked, cocked, and ready to rock.
Harris is going to have to achieve at least one of three outcomes:
  1. Win late-breaking undecideds by a large margin.
  2. Juice Democratic turnout so that it swamps Trump’s turnout of low-propensity voters.
  3. Hold down the numbers of those low-propensity Trump voters, either by making herself unobjectionable to them or dampening their enthusiasm for Trump.
Of those, (1) and (2) seem like the best bets.
One more thing: It is concerning that Harris’s post-convention ceiling never broke the 50 percent mark in the polling averages.
She had the best month any presidential candidate has had in a long time. Her convention was an unalloyed success. Yet in the dozens of polls taken since she became the nominee, she’s touched 50 percent in only seven.

(2) Her momentum is gone.
When Harris entered the race and performed at a high level, it seemed possible that she could slingshot on that momentum all the way to Election Day. Shooting the moon was always going to be hard—a hundred days is a short campaign but it’s a long time to maintain fever-pitch excitement.
We now know that she isn’t going to shoot the moon.
Democrats ran a letter-perfect convention and Harris’s bounce coming out of it was still only about 2 points. Last week she started drifting backwards.
You have to zoom in pretty tight to see it, but the numbers are there:

After a month of hockey-stick growth, Harris flattened and then ticked backwards over the last two weeks.
This isn’t the end of the world, but it is the end of one of her pathways to victory. She isn’t going to swamp Trump with a tsunami of momentum. She’s in a dogfight.







Interesting take, and seems unbiased which is nice. In my biased view I just can't see where Trump is going to gain votes he didn't have in 2020. I also think Kamala's turnout will be as good as Biden's was in 2020, maybe better.

The debate will be interesting.
 
She HAS to kick ass at the debate or things will get very, very uncomfortable. The fact this is the case makes me so, so sad for America, sigh.
Many folks will be looking for any little thing to justify not voting for Harris but will not care 2 craps about anything the OT has to say. America is in a sad place.
 
I wish he wouldn’t encourage you semi-literates 😉

Reading is good for the brain!

If more people read more, our political situation wouldn’t be as fraught. Just saying.
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She's investing a lot of resources there. She's spending slightly more in Penn than Trump at the moment and has ten times the number of volunteers that Trump does in that state. I'm guessing she will do more ad buys there, too, which Trump will have a hard time matching.
After she self destructs in the debate just like Slo Joe did she will be history.
 
i tend to think she should be optimistic. The Aardvark Analysis:

1. I think her national numbers, for what they're worth, have been better than expected post nomination, and faster. and i think those polling averages may actually dilute her national numbers somewhat.
2. the state/battleground polls, which do matter, have been stronger, and faster, than i expected
3. As noted, she has more pathways in the electoral math, and perhaps more subtlely she has more pathways to make Trump's pathways very narrow (Pennsylvania! Pennsylvania! Pennsylvania!)
4. D's are always better at turnout than R's, and that's material in the face of an intransigent electorate.
5. Economically, rates are going to come down (though I've seen some long term analysis to really make you concerned)
6. Finally, the yard sign test. Over the years, i've just found the humble yard sign to be a better predictoer than it has any right to be, and I think she's winning that, and in places you woudln't expect her to be.

Chief risk: She'll be 'ok' at the debate, but I think in the big picture I have this sneaky suspicion that there is not a lot of shelf life left in her tactical approach of having all of her appearances be either recorded or heavily managed.
If she was on the menu at Outback she would be called The Blooming Idiot.
 
This. Get your passports ready. Norway keeps calling my name. I just don't have any faith in this country if we elect trump again.
That’s funny. That’s exactly where my conservative buddy says we should go. Sure, it’s a 60 percent tax bracket, but you tend to get value when the country is setting on a 2 trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund.
 
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Damn, from the article I just posted, two sentences really stick out that shows WHY we are in the political predicment we are. This pretty much sums up the enshitifcation of the electorate that has resulted from the destruction of our responsible media ecosystem:


“Whatever I have heard about her has been negative. Not that I’ve paid attention, you know, either way."



JFC, Abraham Lincoln was right:

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?—Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!—All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
Fogging A man!!
 

The debate is Harris’s best opportunity to give voters like these a sense of who she is and what kind of president she will be.

Which is why she should focus on clearly articulating what her policy priorities will be and not letting Trump turn the debate into a circus.

People already know why they don’t like Donald Trump. They need to figure out why they like Kamala Harris.​
There should be a couple more debates (apparently unlikely) to allow even more time and opportunity for these candidates to delve into their policies, etc.
 
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This. Because I've never been a fan of her. I'm voting for her. No doubt. But she has never seemed genuine to me. Her hard prosecution policy on minor offensives in CA turned me off.

But at the end of day, if we are going to maintain a legitimate country, we can't allow Trump anywhere near the White House again. It would be complete insanity.
What, specifically, are you so afraid of with another Trump presidency?
 
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