Dennis Mosely had a QB that didn't throw for 1,000 yards in a season and a line that was nothing like now.
Wadley GOAT Iowa RB?
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Dennis Mosely had a QB that didn't throw for 1,000 yards in a season and a line that was nothing like now.
Tough list
1.a Tavian Banks
1.b Shonn Greene
1.c Sedrick Shaw
hard to separate these three, if Greene was more of a pass catching threat he'd be #1.
After that I'd group
Harmon
Wadley
Ladell Betts (oft forgotten as he played on bad teams, but a great RB)
-Fred Russell was great, but his success was more about the O Line he ran behind.
-Gotta throw Ed Podolak in there too.
-to make it an even 10, I'd add Albert Young and Damien Simms..what a great 1-2 punch.
1.a Tavian Banks
1.b Shonn Greene
1.c Sedrick Shaw
hard to separate these three, if Greene was more of a pass catching threat he'd be #1.
After that I'd group
Harmon
Wadley
Ladell Betts (oft forgotten as he played on bad teams, but a great RB)
-Fred Russell was great, but his success was more about the O Line he ran behind.
-Gotta throw Ed Podolak in there too.
-to make it an even 10, I'd add Albert Young and Damien Simms..what a great 1-2 punch.
So what's your rationale as to why he was better than Wadley? Purely based on your subjective observation?
Mosley was drafted in the 9th round but never made it onto an NFL roster. I'd be willing to bet a substantial amount of money that NFL scouts value Wadley much higher than that.
I will concede that I am too young to have seen Mosley play, so I can't speak from experience. But given Mosley's stats, lack of NFL experience, and the fact that you don't know how to spell his last name (FYI, it's "Mosley" not "Mosely"), I find your evaluation highly suspect.
Where does the Paki-bomb shake out?
For my money Ronnie Harmon was maybe the most talented offensive player Iowa ever had. I never saw Nile K play but RH could and did do it all. He was arguably the most talented receiver on the 85 team.
Shonn Greene had a great '08. Maybe the best single year. I would rank RH first and Sed Shaw #2.
For my money Ronnie Harmon was maybe the most talented offensive player Iowa ever had. I never saw Nile K play but RH could and did do it all. He was arguably the most talented receiver on the 85 team.
Shonn Greene had a great '08. Maybe the best single year. I would rank RH first and Sed Shaw #2.
Well I did see them both....Wadley behind much better lines. He just does not seem a complete back to me. too small. Lets see him take an LB in blitz pickup. People on here can only see their eras unfortunately. I misspelled it. Oh well, you got me.
ls it safe to assume you don't think Wadley will play in the NFL? If Mosley really was better, and he didn't make it to the NFL, presumably the only way you could possibly think an inferior running back would make it there is if you believe you are smarter than NFL scouts.
I would not assume anything about it. I dont see him as an every down NFL back though. 3rd down back.
Except he was behind Fred Taylor, and likely wouldn't have surpassed him on the depth chart.
Tavian also could have been a world class soccer player for those that don't know. He was very good at it. If he had gone pro there instead...might have been a better choice.
Op mentioned he hadn't seen anyone move like him, then he hadn't seen Ronnie Harmon.
Unfortunately most of us weren't around to watch those great players. Didn't Jeter set the all time record for a bowl game by rushing for like 185 yds on less then 10 carries? Not sure if thats still the record, but ridiculous none the less!
According to http://americanfootballdatabase.wikia.com/wiki/1959_Rose_Bowl, four Rose Bowl records were set that day. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Bowl_Game#Game_records, none of them still stand.
http://americanfootballdatabase.wikia.com/wiki/1959_Rose_Bowl
I'd prefer a more official source, but I can't find any.
http://americanfootballdatabase.wikia.com/wiki/1959_Rose_Bowl
I'd prefer a more official source, but I can't find any.
Thanks Dauminator for posting. So wiki says Jeter ran for 194 yds on just 9 carries! Basically 21.5 yds/carry. The record is now 247 yds in 39 carries by Charles White of USC. Thats 6.3 yds/carry. I guess White has the yardage record, but it certainly pales in comparison to what Jeter did.
As much as I love SG, he made his living by the O-line and full back clearing the way and trucking DB's. Hands of pure stone though. Lack of top end speed, limited vision, and stone hands doomed him in the NFL. He entered into the NFL as the game had changed, RB have to be some kind of passing threat.
Greene not in the top five, see how this year plays out Wadley top 10 maybe.
Greene not in the top five, see how this year plays out Wadley top 10 maybe.
I'd be interested to see the YPC records but I don't see them.
What's his NFL career have to do with how good he was here?
Hey Akrum, please come back to Hawkeye Report. We would appreciate your input.
If you were not alive at the time all these greats played...apparently they don't count and the original poster is considered innocent and not ignorant.
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Which game was it that Akrum Wadley had a top 5 all time college football performance against a top 5 ranked team in terms of All Purpose Yards? I remember the telecast flashing the stats.
Was it the 2016 #3 ranked Michigan game?
Or was it the 2017 #4 ranked PSU game?
No one really mentioning Ed Podalak? Seriously not even a top ten guy? OK folks, guess I am really old.
All-time top 5 performance in college football history?
I believe your memory is off.
This 73 old thinks that guy from Atlantic,Is is the greatest of all time.
Hell yes. Eddie had a nice NFL career and earned a Super Bowl ring with the Chiefs.
He only has his name up in Arrowhead.
Nah! Once a Hawkeye always a Hawkeye- until you sue the University over some BS!
Ronnie Harmon played 12 years in the NFL as RB for a reason.
If he isn’t in your top three you’re doing it wrong.
If he isn’t in your top three you’re doing it wrong.
And ripping off fans by auctioning off "signed" merchandise and then never sending anything. And making up stories about coaches taking away your meal card -- which doesn't even make sense since they were constantly dogging you to add weight -- and complaining about being yelled for parking in the coaches reserved parking spot when you knew you weren't supposed to park there and deserved a butt chewing for doing so.
Wadley will always be remembered as great on the field and a piece of human garbage off of it because of his antics while in the program and after graduating.
Wadley's Mom-"And they took away his meal card".
Wadley calling home back in the day-"Mom, they took away my meal card, can you send some cash".
Wadley Reality-I owe my gangster buddies money for Coke, I will call mom and tell her they took away my meal card, see if she will send me some cash.
Once you tell a lie, you have to keep on lying.
Wadley is personally loathsome he was a very good RB for the Hawks. But GOAT????? Not really close.
Obviously stats are the single most important component of determining the best so that already puts AW behind the curve.
Sedrick Shaw and Tavian Banks, who had to share the ball for 3 seasons, were enormously productive and Sedrick was pretty indestructible. They played on winning teams and created laughable blowouts against Iowa State (didn't Tavian hit Iowa St. for like 280 yards once-4 TDs?) Those guys played one fewer game per season yet their places at 1 and 3 have remained steady for 25 and 24 years respectfully
LaDell played on terrible teams for 3 years but put up better numbers every year; LaDell is still number 2 after 20 seasons.
After those three a good argument could be made for the 4th spot by a lot of guys. Harmon is probably next, versatile, great receiver, deceptively good inside the tackles, but the greatest of all time doesn't blow or more likely throw the biggest game of his career.
Shonn Greene was a one trick pony. Kind of like Brad Banks, just one great season. However, unlike Brad Shonn was not versatile even during his one great season, although Shonn's one trick was hellishly good. Didn't block, didn't receive, just ran like Old 97 coming down a three mile grade between Spencer and Danville . Also unlike Brad, Shonn missed a lot of time for academic failures. Greatness doesn't come with unavailability.
Wadley would be in the group with Albert Young and Fred Russell. Those guys have all strong positives and not many negatives. Akrum was an exciting explosive player but in the end there are no style points. A great move does not count for any more yards than just running through your assigned lane. I understand the morale effect of a big play but time and carries evens that out that factor.
Our top three haven't changed since LaDell was a player. Its still "CeeDreak" (how the sainted John Hayden pronounced it) LaDell and Tavian. Let's hope LaDell brings the next greatest running back to Iowa City.
Obviously stats are the single most important component of determining the best so that already puts AW behind the curve.
Sedrick Shaw and Tavian Banks, who had to share the ball for 3 seasons, were enormously productive and Sedrick was pretty indestructible. They played on winning teams and created laughable blowouts against Iowa State (didn't Tavian hit Iowa St. for like 280 yards once-4 TDs?) Those guys played one fewer game per season yet their places at 1 and 3 have remained steady for 25 and 24 years respectfully
LaDell played on terrible teams for 3 years but put up better numbers every year; LaDell is still number 2 after 20 seasons.
After those three a good argument could be made for the 4th spot by a lot of guys. Harmon is probably next, versatile, great receiver, deceptively good inside the tackles, but the greatest of all time doesn't blow or more likely throw the biggest game of his career.
Shonn Greene was a one trick pony. Kind of like Brad Banks, just one great season. However, unlike Brad Shonn was not versatile even during his one great season, although Shonn's one trick was hellishly good. Didn't block, didn't receive, just ran like Old 97 coming down a three mile grade between Spencer and Danville . Also unlike Brad, Shonn missed a lot of time for academic failures. Greatness doesn't come with unavailability.
Wadley would be in the group with Albert Young and Fred Russell. Those guys have all strong positives and not many negatives. Akrum was an exciting explosive player but in the end there are no style points. A great move does not count for any more yards than just running through your assigned lane. I understand the morale effect of a big play but time and carries evens that out that factor.
Our top three haven't changed since LaDell was a player. Its still "CeeDreak" (how the sainted John Hayden pronounced it) LaDell and Tavian. Let's hope LaDell brings the next greatest running back to Iowa City.
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I’d add Jermelle Lewis. He, Bell and Green are right up there. But Tavian is #1!
